Autopsy AFL 2024 Preliminary Final - Cats v Lions Sat Sept 21st 5:15pm EST (MCG)

[PhatBoy]

I find that a bit hard to believe

I’m disappointed, any team’s fans are when they lose, but I’m not going to tear my hair out over it. We were never expected to get this far, we gave it a great crack, and were beaten by a better side, and dozens of neutrals seem to be celebrating like their own teams have just won a flag

 

[supahoops]

Mark O'Connor has done the job a few times on and off with some decent results, though he seems out of favour at the moment. I assume Geelong's plan will be to man him tightly at the stoppage (you'd be silly not to), but not once the ball is around the ground.

I assume he gets up, it's the same foot complaint he's had for a while.

Not sure how you roll at the Lions but players down here that are ruled out for the season are generally considered out of favour

 

[supahoops]

Geelong have had an easy run the last two months. Some of this player form is misleading. Brisbane have had unstoppable bursts in most matches this year. Including in their recent two losses. Won 12 out of last 14. Best form in the competition. Their best has been the best. This will be the toughest opponent Geelong have come up against since July. We are on a roll, and we will leave nothing out there on Saturday.

Unstoppable bursts that are eventually stopped given they are in fact bursts. I can see you chewing gum next to Fagan one day.

 

[Elixuh]

I doubt Chris Scott

Chris Scott

Age

48

Ht

182cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

can do this under pressure. First win of the week goes to the Lions

 

[LeakyValve]

I don't know what to think of Brisbane.

Their last 5 games they lost crucial matches against GWS and Collingwood to miss out on top 4. They made hard work of Essendon who were half way to Bali. Then did their best to get Carlton back into it despite getting a 10 goal head start and were awful until late in the third quarter in the semi final.

On the other hand they've gone 12-2 which is great form and put 10 goals and 8 goals on their 2 finals opponents in a quarter and a half.

What sort of form line is that?

Brisbane appears to be the type of team that falls in and out of belief in itself within games.
Get a real sniff or get a bit shabby.
Geelong in general has the higher footy IQ whereas Brisbane has a few more of the big moment types.

 

[Mr Meow]

I disputed many of your points by pointing you to the lacklustre opposition the cats have had to face recently. Freo is no achievement, bad form, dropped off the planet. Cats have earned a prelim, so have we. You are acting like they have earned a grand final. You need to win a high pressured game to earn a grand final. Of course tactics/strategy plays a big part. Unfortunately for you, after Ports QF showing, the Cats haven’t had to pull off game plans under finals like opposition pressure for some time. Let’s see how the form of some of your lesser names fares under the pressure of an in-form, talented, hungry, belief-filled, battle hardened, experienced Lions team, in a preliminary final. Only time will tell

It's a 50/50 game, however it was silly on your behalf to assume Brisbane will send out a more talented, in form 23 on Saturday.

Geelong have been had two strong blocks of form this year: Rounds 1-7 and rounds 16-QF. They were terrible in the middle part of the season before:

-Dangerfield returned
-Stewart was moved to midfield
-Tuohy was moved to defence/sub
-Mannagh and Humphries became permanent fixtures
-Hawkins and Cam Guthrie couldn't be selected
-Parfitt, O'Connor and Clark were dispensed of
-Cameron stayed closer to home
-We stopped playing 4 tall forwards and tall defenders

Luckily Fages will be all over this. You were quite obviously unaware.

 

[GOTHELIONS16]

It's a 50/50 game, however it was silly on your behalf to assume Brisbane will send out a more talented, in form 23 on Saturday.

Geelong have been had two strong blocks of form this year: Rounds 1-7 and rounds 16-QF. They were terrible in the middle part of the season before:

-Dangerfield returned
-Stewart was moved to midfield
-Tuohy was moved to defence/sub
-Mannagh and Humphries became permanent fixtures
-Hawkins and Cam Guthrie couldn't be selected
-Parfitt, O'Connor and Clark were dispensed of
-Cameron stayed closer to home
-We stopped playing 4 tall forwards and tall defenders

Luckily Fages will be all over this. You were quite obviously unaware.

Tell me which experts believes there is more talent on Geelongs team lineup than Brisbane. It’s not silly, it’s the opinion of most experts. I am also very aware of the magnet changes in the latter third of the season. I am genuinely skeptical about how well Geelong are actually going. Brisbane have a higher ceiling, this is all I’m saying. If our best comes to fruition on Saturday, and for long enough periods of the game, that is another story.

 

[Delisted]

Tell me which experts believes there is more talent on Geelongs team lineup than Brisbane. It’s not silly, it’s the opinion of most experts. I am also very aware of the magnet changes in the latter third of the season. I am genuinely skeptical about how well Geelong are actually going. Brisbane have a higher ceiling, this is all I’m saying. If our best comes to fruition on Saturday, and for long enough periods of the game, that is another story.

I'm renowned for being a expert of bigfooty. See the thing about ceilings is they are often not reached, however Geelong typically reach theirs. Credit to them

 

[Catsnlakers]

I think Brisbane's best is better, but Brisbane's worse is also much worse.

I agree with this, but finals generally get won by the more consistent team. So on “trust” I think we will win, but the Lions ceiling in performance is probably higher, but they fluctuate in that space so much.

 

[Munich]

Brisbane appears to be the type of team that falls in and out of belief in itself within games.
Get a real sniff or get a bit shabby.
Geelong in general has the higher footy IQ whereas Brisbane has a few more of the big moment types.

Who are the big moment types?

 

[GOTHELIONS16]

Who are the big moment types?

Daniher, Bailey, Neale, Berry, McCluggage, Ashcroft to name a few.

 

[Munich]

Daniher, Bailey, Neale, Berry, McCluggage, Ashcroft to name a few.

We have a few big moment players ourselves. A few I'd place above those names.

 

[Mr Meow]

Tell me which experts believes there is more talent on Geelongs team lineup than Brisbane. It’s not silly, it’s the opinion of most experts. I am also very aware of the magnet changes in the latter third of the season. I am genuinely skeptical about how well Geelong are actually going. Brisbane have a higher ceiling, this is all I’m saying. If our best comes to fruition on Saturday, and for long enough periods of the game, is another story.

How are we measuring talent? You've been listening to Kingy too much, who thinks Chris Scott is a God and Geelong's list is bottom 4 worthy.

Cameron, Dangerfield, Stewart, Holmes and Stengle holds up with Brisbane’s top 5 stars.

The likes of Miers, Zuthrie, J.Henry, Mannagh, Bowes, Humphries and Dempsey hold up with Brisbane's mid rangers.

There isn't much in it with the bottom 6 either. Geelong's contains a good amount of premiership experience.

I'm counting a lot more recent premiership stars and career AA selections on Geelong's list. Plus the Rising Star (Dempsey) and a top 5 player in first season players (Humphries).

 

[Mr Meow]

Daniher, Bailey, Neale, Berry, McCluggage, Ashcroft to name a few.

Premiership stars, Gary Ayres medalists and Norm Smith medalists in there?

Neale had a pretty quiet grand final, all things considered. Sidebottom, Daicos and De Goey had the final say when it counted.

 

[GOTHELIONS16]

We have a few big moment players ourselves. A few I'd place above those names.

Good for you, no one asked

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Premiership stars, Gary Ayres medalists and Norm Smith medalists in there?

Neale had a pretty quiet grand final, all things considered. Sidebottom, Daicos and De Goey had the final say when it counted.

"Big moment players" - Despite said players regularly failing in the 'big moments' over a long period of time.

Doesn't mean anything this week, past performance isn't a reliable indicator of future performance and all of that jazz...but to claim it as some kind of selling point is bordering on delusion.

 

[GOTHELIONS16]

I'm counting a lot more recent premiership stars and career AA selections on Geelong's list. Plus the Rising Star (Dempsey) and a top 5 player in first season players (Humphries).

We all know Ashcroft would have won the rising star, had he played equal games to Dempsey. And Lohman came third btw.

 

[GOTHELIONS16]

We have a few big moment players ourselves. A few I'd place above those names.

Now that you’ve said it, you wouldn’t be placing Jeremy Cameron above Daniher or Charlie, would you? I know Jeremy performed well when Sydney didn’t show up in 2022. But both Charlie and Joe average more finals goals then anyone on your playing list.

 

[Mr Meow]

We all know Ashcroft would have won the rising star, had he played equal games to Dempsey. And Lohman came third btw.

Thank you for fully endorsing the rest of my post. I'm more than happy to recognise Ashcroft and Lohman. But as you can see from my post above: plenty of talent, premiership winners and career AA selections on Geelong's team.

 

[Dudoro]

Daniher, Bailey, Neale, Berry, McCluggage, Ashcroft to name a few.

Hahahhahaha champ. Berry? The bloke who cost you the premiership. Was a big game player for Collingwood. Bailey? Has he played a good game this year. Neale may as well not play that is how bad he is going. The others went missing 75% of last week.

 

[Mr Meow]

Now that you’ve said it, you wouldn’t be placing Jeremy Cameron above Daniher or Charlie, would you? I know Jeremy performed well when Sydney didn’t show up in 2022. But both Charlie and Joe average more finals goals then anyone on your playing list.

Jezza has more AA selections than Charlie and Joe combined, including one this season. B&F in a premiership year is something the latter two have to tick off their bucket list.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Jezza has more AA selections than Charlie and Joe combined, including one this season. B&F in a premiership year is something the latter two have to tick off their bucket list.

You heard the man, those are the rules.

Sorry Jezza, guess it's time to hand that medallion back mate. It was nice while it lasted.

Come to think of it, let's start a petition to retroactively reverse the result of the two prelims too. Trump style.

It's only fair, they must have got something horribly wrong.

 

[GOTHELIONS16]

Jezza has more AA selections than Charlie and Joe combined, including one this season. B&F in a premiership year is something the latter two have to tick off their bucket list.

We are talking about moment players. Daniher and Charlie have taken more finals moments. FWIW Jezza is still Brownlows off Neale based on your logic.

 

[Mr Meow]

We are talking about moment players. Daniher and Charlie have taken more finals moments. FWIW Jezza is still Brownlows off Neale based on your logic.

No, you're spot on. Cameron's never stood up in big matches for GWS or Geelong. Flat track bully, lining up with some talentless hacks yet to taste premiership success.

The stars and A grade talent are all with Brisbane in this one. At least we know if they lose or win it was entirely down to them. Geelong are happy to just be a passive spectator.

 

[GOTHELIONS16]

No, you're spot on. Cameron's never stood up in big matches for GWS or Geelong. Flat track bully, lining up with some talentless hacks yet to taste premiership success.

The stars and A grade talent are all with Brisbane in this one. At least we know if they lose or win it was entirely down to them. Geelong are happy to just be a passive spectator.

You are the only one saying those things, not me. Bit extreme. If this debate was Donald vs Kamala, you would be Donald going into ‘they’re eating our pets’ kind of territory. Anyway that’s it from me in this debate. Let’s see how Saturday pans out. As you say 50/50

 

[Lethal09]

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