AFL 2nd Semi Final - West Coast vs Carlton - Gameday Thread

[DivideandMultiply]

Are you serious?

I can assure you there is no Vic-mafia conspiracy...

Pissweak using the "conspiracy" word in an attempt to invalidate someones opinion.

It is more a case of some don't know or care too much about WC/their players at worst, or cater for the larger viewership at best.

There is the odd tokenistic NN love, or Darce with Darling, Walls with Kennedy etc. but generally the commentary is pretty one sided. Even when we win and win well it is most often about the other team if the opponent is a Victorian club.

Most of the FTA panel shows are equally as bad, Footy Classified probably being the worst, though Fox is a fair bit better.

As for the hate, there are some commentators and media personalities who have a distinct and well evidenced dislike of us.

And mate weak bullshit like "I would know I live in Victoria" does not float. Some of us have lived much of our lives over east and we all still get the same shows. Likewise feigning even handedness when it is intellectually dishonest to do so.

 

[swannies]

Pissweak using the "conspiracy" word in an attempt to invalidate someones opinion.

It is more a case of some don't know or care too much about WC/their players at worst, or cater for the larger viewership at best.

I think it has less to do with they are Victorian and more to do with they are complete hacks at their jobs.

 

[CarltonFan]

Lets also use the excuse Carlton didn't have kreuzer, Waite or gibbs. Kreuzer was hopeless last time against us, gibbs is very good but not a great contested player and waite well he has been injured most of the year. Just face the facts we beat them fair and square.

Quite frankly kreuzer, gibbs and waite probably wouldn't get a game at richmond.

 

[Prem87]

Was that you on TV?

Haha yah!

 

[DivideandMultiply]

I think it has less to do with they are Victorian and more to do with they are complete hacks at their jobs.

We get the same from the odd interstate commentator no doubt and much for the reason you mention. I also think they go that extra yard to over compensate.

But there has never been much love for WC in the Vic media. From our inception, till we won that first flag, till now.

 

[larrikin]

Pissweak using the "conspiracy" word in an attempt to invalidate someones opinion.

Pissweak?

I apologise if the term offended you, it was used colloquially.

Was never trying to invaidate anyone's opinion. Was simply pointing out the facts - our club is an irrelevance to most East Coast media, and people to be honest. We (and I include myself) think we are far more interesting to maistream media than we actually are. Our story has become far more interesting over the last 4-6 weeks.

It is more a case of some don't know or care too much about WC/their players at worst, or cater for the larger viewership at best.

There is the odd tokenistic NN love, or Darce with Darling, Walls with Kennedy etc. but generally the commentary is pretty one sided. Even when we win and win well it is most often about the other team if the opponent is a Victorian club.

Most of the FTA panel shows are equally as bad, Footy Classified probably being the worst, though Fox is a fair bit better.

Yep, agree with all of this.

But this is going down a differnt steam. The question was around bias around decisions rather than recognition of performance.

And mate weak bullshit like "I would know I live in Victoria" does not float. Some of us have lived much of our lives over east and we all still get the same shows. Likewise feigning even handedness when it is intellectually dishonest to do so.

I mentioned my location when?

In fact, I'd like to see where I've ever raised my location to try and prove a point

 

[swannies]

We get the same from the odd interstate commentator no doubt and much for the reason you mention. I also think they go that extra yard to over compensate.

But there has never been much love for WC in the Vic media. From our inception, till we won that first flag, till now.

Yeah, the problem with commercial media is they feel they have to pander to the biggest market, ie Sydney and Mel in 10's case, so they go out of their way to "massage" that market audience. ABC generally don't because they care less about the market than the commercials. But when they had McClure and Judge banging on, I just couldn't sit through the pre-game garbage. I am getting old and cantankerous though.

 

[JuDDysthacaptain]

Dermott that F*****g weed.. "definitely a free kick for me"

In your dreams mate you victorian biased plastic face. Shouldn't be allowed to do media.

After his "the Eagles are a team of serial head duckers" article in the paper.

Dermott was a Hawthorn legend just because he has an opinion that it not the same as yourself.... I made a post congratulating West Coast earlier in the thread but seriously if you don't believe the umpires influenced the result you have rocks in your head.. we won in almost every single aspect of the game...

 

[swannies]

Dermott was a Hawthorn legend just because he has an opinion that it not the same as yourself.... I made a post congratulating West Coast earlier in the thread but seriously if you don't believe the umpires influenced the result you have rocks in your head.. we won in almost every single aspect of the game...

But it's not Geelong v Carlton next weekend, is it?

Sorry, for a noob like me can you explain every single aspect?

  Eagles Disposals 322, Marks 76, HitOuts 61, Tackles 83, Clearances 47
Carlton Disposals 305, Marks 68, HitOuts 38, Tackles 75, Clearances 42

 

[InCase]

Dermott was a Hawthorn legend just because he has an opinion that it not the same as yourself.... I made a post congratulating West Coast earlier in the thread but seriously if you don't believe the umpires influenced the result you have rocks in your head.. we won in almost every single aspect of the game...

Lol. The umpires did influence the game, they gave you a four goal lead. Maybe if they gave you a five goal lead you could have won. But you didn't.

The umpiring was shit, but it wasn't one way, and certainly didn't lose you the game.

You won in ever aspect of the game?

You had less disposals, less tackles, less marks, less hit outs, less clearances, and most importantly - less scoring shots.

Lets not kid ourselves, the Eagles got out to a 21 point lead and went defensive. As usual, that puts the pressure on defense, you managed to get a few goals - one ridiculously lucky. Carlton were not the better team, and if you honestly think they were a top 4 side, after losing to every one of the top 4 sides - the Eagles twice, home and away, as well as being ten points outside of the 4, you are kidding yourself.

 

[Quinz]

You forgot the scoreboard as well Swannies.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I think the Carlton fan is just annoyed that Judd got outplayed by his opposite number, Ebert.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

I mentioned my location when?

In fact, I'd like to see where I've ever raised my location to try and prove a point

You live over East yes and the way your statement was worded I thought you were making some vague appeal to authority.

2+2=/=5 so I jumped the gun a bit assuming you would take that tack. Apologies.

 

[JuDDysthacaptain]

We had more of contested ball and inside 50's i think that's a more telling stat than "disposals", "hitouts" or "clearances". I think the most telling stat that West Coast won was the free kick count and the amount of crucial decisions that went West Coast's way ala, Sheuy dropping the ball.. Cox throwing it, The goal awarded to West Coast when it was clearly over the line, the Walker free kick not being paid, the numerous holding the ball decisions given against Carlton and not against West Coast... I just want a bit of consistency.. I can't hack that people will not acknowledge that the umpiring played a significant part of the result last night.. i'm not saying we would've won but it wouldv'e certainly made a difference if the game was adjudicated to a AFL standard...

 

[HoneyBadger35]

We had more of contested ball and inside 50's i think that's a more telling stat than "disposals", "hitouts" or "clearances". I think the most telling stat that West Coast won was the free kick count and the amount of crucial decisions that went West Coast's way ala, Sheuy dropping the ball.. Cox throwing it, The goal awarded to West Coast when it was clearly over the line, the Walker free kick not being paid, the numerous holding the ball decisions given against Carlton and not against West Coast... I just want a bit of consistency.. I can't hack that people will not acknowledge that the umpiring played a significant part of the result last night.. i'm not saying we would've won but it wouldv'e certainly made a difference if the game was adjudicated to a AFL standard...

It was awarded because it went over the line, Kennedy kicked it and it went over the line. That's how you score a goal. That's how the sport works.

You mean the one where he grabbed onto Glass, slung him back and dove? Terrific Oscar bait, but not a free.

They did. See: 3 of your first 4 goals.

 

[happy_eagle]

The umpiring never plays a factor in the result, unless a team is stupid enough to lose by under a goal


Oh wait...

 

[larrikin]

We had more of contested ball and inside 50's i think that's a more telling stat than "disposals", "hitouts" or "clearances". I think the most telling stat that West Coast won was the free kick count and the amount of crucial decisions that went West Coast's way ala, Sheuy dropping the ball.. Cox throwing it, The goal awarded to West Coast when it was clearly over the line, the Walker free kick not being paid, the numerous holding the ball decisions given against Carlton and not against West Coast... I just want a bit of consistency.. I can't hack that people will not acknowledge that the umpiring played a significant part of the result last night.. i'm not saying we would've won but it wouldv'e certainly made a difference if the game was adjudicated to a AFL standard...

Despite all of your points being wrong (the Shuey one particularly annoys me beacuase he wasn't actually tackled) did you watch the first quarter?

Good day sir.

 

[WCEkirsty]

Just watching some highlights now, made me remember how nervous I was at the game last night! Had to laugh when the commentator at the start begins with how Carlton have won all of their interstate games this year. News flash, they only played 4 interstate games, and im pretty sure 3 of them were against spuds such as Port and gold coast.

 

[Quinz]

The most telling stat is this:

WC 101
Carl 98

That's all that matters.

 

[Keys]

We had more of contested ball and inside 50's i think that's a more telling stat than "disposals", "hitouts" or "clearances". I think the most telling stat that West Coast won was the free kick count and the amount of crucial decisions that went West Coast's way ala, Sheuy dropping the ball.. Cox throwing it, The goal awarded to West Coast when it was clearly over the line, the Walker free kick not being paid, the numerous holding the ball decisions given against Carlton and not against West Coast... I just want a bit of consistency.. I can't hack that people will not acknowledge that the umpiring played a significant part of the result last night.. i'm not saying we would've won but it wouldv'e certainly made a difference if the game was adjudicated to a AFL standard...

Shuey wasn't tackled as such but he was lucky, don't know the Cox throw, usually when the ball is clearly over the line then it is a goal, Walker free is debateable, hurn was penalised for holding the ball when he was given less than 7 seconds to dispose of the ball after taking a mark

What about Kennedy being pushed in the back by Jamison into Henderson and then being penalised, Warnocks free at the opening bounce, Nicoski penalised for holding when leading Scotland to the ball, the free against Masten for a bullshit high contact call on Ellard...................

The umpiring was crap but it went both ways.

You were unlucky to lose and in any game decided by less than a goal there are going to be a plethora of what-ifs and whichever side lost could rightly claim to be unlucky. We ended up on the right side of it and were deserving winners but to pluck out a handful of decisions that didn't go your way when there were other decisions that did and to point to selected stats that you won as a basis to claim you were clearly better is crap.

BTW, the inside 50's were 51 to 48, hardly decisive.

 

[Patron]

The most telling stat is this:

WC 101
Carl 98

That's all that matters.

BOOMSHAKALAKA!

Thats my favourite stat!

 

[gurncentral]

Why are so many threads descending into arguments about umpiring? It wasn't like this last year. Is it because the umpiring has gotten worse, or because we've been winning the close games?

 

[dajesmac]

LOL @ the Carlton fans getting owned. Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.

 

[InCase]

BTW, the inside 50's were 51 to 48, hardly decisive.

What was the number of inside 50's before we went into shut down mode, where all the forward flow was obviously going to go Carlton's way when the team plays that way?

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Just re-watched the last quarter - didn't even realise at the ground Lynch had a ping from his mark - i was too busy shouting and screaming!!!