Recruiting AFL Draft Watch 2022 - Tsatas, Hayes, Davey x2, Munkara & Montgomerie

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[brutus76]

If Clark is still there at 4 Mackie will be on the phone offering 7 and 25 for 4. Henry might have to wait a year as they can't risk the Hawks or Saints taking him at 5 or 6

 

[Yoda_]

Id have a serious dabble at GWS picks 15, 18, 19 for pick 4

about 1,000 points difference in favour of us but could be a price to pay moving right up the order.

WCE 8 + 12 would be ideal but as stated by many, they just moved down.




Furthermore, I would seriously look at Brayden George who's done his ACL, almost the Dodoro special 2 - for - 1 he's pulled before with Lachie Johnson. First rounder, place him on the long term injury list and use a SSP on another for the year.

 

[Yoda_]

If we are in the running for Weidemann (I wouldn't be) but we are showing out hand, then we must see KPF as a position of need.

Would be scouring the draft boards for KPF's available around our picks and go from there.

Lemmey, Keeler at 22, Scully, Grewbeski around 42. No idea who in the rookie draft.

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

Same. But I also think this has Dodoro written all over it and he'll go rogue and pick someone not in the top 5.

I don't see that happening. RFK would've done all the leg work and the top few picks are pretty obvious, Dodoro isn't the type to go rogue in this scenario.

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

If we are in the running for Weidemann (I wouldn't be) but we are showing out hand, then we must see KPF as a position of need.

Would be scouring the draft boards for KPF's available around our picks and go from there.

Lemmey, Keeler at 22, Scully, Grewbeski around 42. No idea who in the rookie draft.

You have to take age into consideration. We need someone who could play now while a few others develop. Similar to why I think we should go for a Phillips/Maibaum as a KPD.

 

[faible]

I don't see that happening. RFK would've done all the leg work and the top few picks are pretty obvious, Dodoro isn't the type to go rogue in this scenario.

Can't remember the last time we reached for a player in the first round, usually they go pretty safe there.

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

Id have a serious dabble at GWS picks 15, 18, 19 for pick 4

about 1,000 points difference in favour of us but could be a price to pay moving right up the order.

WCE 8 + 12 would be ideal but as stated by many, they just moved down.




Furthermore, I would seriously look at Brayden George who's done his ACL, almost the Dodoro special 2 - for - 1 he's pulled before with Lachie Johnson. First rounder, place him on the long term injury list and use a SSP on another for the year.

Also no, we are crying out for top end talent so need to take the highest pick possible IMO.

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

Can't remember the last time we reached for a player in the first round, usually they go pretty safe there.

Me neither, we generally go the obvious choice in the first round then get a bit speculative later on. We really need to nail a top 10 pick though, haven't got the best track record in that department.

 

[Harlequin Dream]

Id have a serious dabble at GWS picks 15, 18, 19 for pick 4

about 1,000 points difference in favour of us but could be a price to pay moving right up the order.

WCE 8 + 12 would be ideal but as stated by many, they just moved down.




Furthermore, I would seriously look at Brayden George who's done his ACL, almost the Dodoro special 2 - for - 1 he's pulled before with Lachie Johnson. First rounder, place him on the long term injury list and use a SSP on another for the year.

The good thing about a move like that is that it reduces the likelihood that Davey is bid on in the first round.

 

[faible]

Me neither, we generally go the obvious choice in the first round then get a bit speculative later on. We really need to nail a top 10 pick though, haven't got the best track record in that department.

Haven't we? Francis the only one I can think that was a bust in recent times.

Hobbs, Perkins, Reid & Cox are too soon to call but I have confidence in all four personally.
McGrath has been moved around a heap, but IMO off HBF he looks very good - albeit McCluggage or Taranto better - and will be a 200+ gamer.
Parish clearly justified his selection.
Heppell the next Top-10 selection before that, again clearly justified.
Melksham at 10 a little to be desired.
Hurley at 5 very successful.
Myers & Gumbleton never quite got past injuries, which is tough to blame on drafting.
Ryder at 7 very good.
Kepler Bradley not good.
Jason Laycock also not great.

Then we're back to 1998 with Mark McVeigh...

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

Haven't we? Francis the only one I can think that was a bust in recent times.

Hobbs, Perkins, Reid & Cox are too soon to call but I have confidence in all four personally.
McGrath has been moved around a heap, but IMO off HBF he looks very good - albeit McCluggage or Taranto better - and will be a 200+ gamer.
Parish clearly justified his selection.
Heppell the next Top-10 selection before that, again clearly justified.
Melksham at 10 a little to be desired.
Hurley at 5 very successful.
Myers & Gumbleton never quite got past injuries, which is tough to blame on drafting.
Ryder at 7 very good.
Kepler Bradley not good.
Jason Laycock also not great.

Then we're back to 1998 with Mark McVeigh...

Ryder, Hurley and Heppell were quality picks.

McGrath and Parish while good have perhaps not justified top 5 quality.

I'm willing to give the last two years picks time obviously but there are a lot of busts in that group you listed (for a variety of reasons).

 

[faible]

Ryder, Hurley and Heppell were quality picks.

McGrath and Parish while good have perhaps not justified top 5 quality.

I'm willing to give the last two years picks time obviously but there are a lot of busts in that group you listed (for a variety of reasons).

Parish is a clear pass for me, he's not the big inside player we desperately needed but an AA midfielder is what you'd want from Pick 5.
McGrath is arguable about whether he was worth 1, but I think settled down back by the end of his career people will say he was a guy deserving to be a Top-10 selection in that draft. He was pretty unanimously rated a Top-3 selection so it's not as though we did something weird.

Drafting has also improved a lot over time, the top selections are much less speculative than they once were across the entire league.

 

[eth-dog]

Haven't we? Francis the only one I can think that was a bust in recent times.

Hobbs, Perkins, Reid & Cox are too soon to call but I have confidence in all four personally.
McGrath has been moved around a heap, but IMO off HBF he looks very good - albeit McCluggage or Taranto better - and will be a 200+ gamer.
Parish clearly justified his selection.
Heppell the next Top-10 selection before that, again clearly justified.
Melksham at 10 a little to be desired.
Hurley at 5 very successful.
Myers & Gumbleton never quite got past injuries, which is tough to blame on drafting.
Ryder at 7 very good.
Kepler Bradley not good.
Jason Laycock also not great.

Then we're back to 1998 with Mark McVeigh...

I'd argue in the context of that draft, Melksham is a perfectly acceptable pick. If we were doing a re-do, he'd still be a first round pick IMO

 

[faible]

I'd argue in the context of that draft, Melksham is a perfectly acceptable pick. If we were doing a re-do, he'd still be a first round pick IMO

Not the greatest of drafts to be sure, some massive busts inside that first round ; Morabito, Butcher, Moore, Lucas, Howard.

Pittard being one of the more successful selections from that first round says a lot.

 

[eth-dog]

Not the greatest of drafts to be sure, some massive busts inside that first round ; Morabito, Butcher, Moore, Lucas, Howard.

Pittard being one of the more successful selections from that first round says a lot.

Doing it in my head, the re-draft would look something like:

Fyfe
Martin
Gawn
Cunnington
Duncan
Gunston
Talia
Stratton
Astbury
Carlisle
Jetta
Melksham
Sheppard
Reid
Duryea
Barlow

 

[faible]

Doing it in my head, the re-draft would look something like:

Fyfe
Martin
Gawn
Cunnington
Duncan
Gunston
Talia
Stratton
Astbury
Carlisle
Jetta
Melksham
Sheppard
Reid
Duryea
Barlow

That Top 3 is outstanding, with the next 4 all being pretty much elite by position.

 

[eth-dog]

That Top 3 is outstanding, with the next 4 all being pretty much elite by position.

Like if you look at the overall draft, there's a good AFL 22 there but severly lacks forward prowess outside of Gunston and Reid

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

Parish is a clear pass for me, he's not the big inside player we desperately needed but an AA midfielder is what you'd want from Pick 5.
McGrath is arguable about whether he was worth 1, but I think settled down back by the end of his career people will say he was a guy deserving to be a Top-10 selection in that draft. He was pretty unanimously rated a Top-3 selection so it's not as though we did something weird.

Drafting has also improved a lot over time, the top selections are much less speculative than they once were across the entire league.

It's a harsh mark I give for Parish given his form last year so probably a pass for him. No doubt McGrath was a consensus top 3 pick and I don't think it's a fail, I'm more referring to our need to really nail a top 2-3 player from the draft which unfortunately I don't think McGrath is at this point in time.

 

[faible]

It's a harsh mark I give for Parish given his form last year so probably a pass for him. No doubt McGrath was a consensus top 3 pick and I don't think it's a fail, I'm more referring to our need to really nail a top 2-3 player from the draft which unfortunately I don't think McGrath is at this point in time.

Ideally we need someone on the list to be a player who's better than just good by position, someone who's in the Top-10 players in the league.

Perkins is the guy for me who has the raw traits to be that kind of player.

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

Ideally we need someone on the list to be a player who's better than just good by position, someone who's in the Top-10 players in the league.

Perkins is the guy for me who has the raw traits to be that kind of player.

100%. Maybe Sheezel has that potential? Tsatas does have some exciting qualities too.

 

[faible]

100%. Maybe Sheezel has that potential? Tsatas does have some exciting qualities too.

Sheezel reminds me a lot of Toby Greene, can definitely see him having that potential, don't think he'll still be on the board at our pick though.

 

[Harlequin Dream]

I think Wardlaw has the greatest upside when you consider his two way impact and ability to burst from stoppage.

 

[doug85]

If Wardlaw is on the board at 3, would we look to trade 4 + 22 for 3 and some points picks?

 

[faible]

If Wardlaw is on the board at 3, would we look to trade 4 + 22 for 3 and some points picks?

If North are doing this trade it's because they want Tsatas anyway

 

[doug85]

If North are doing this trade it's because they want Tsatas anyway

Was more worried about someone else bidding for that pick to take him. 4 + 22 is pretty compelling I’d have thought. But of talk Carlton are keen to get up the order.