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[citizen-erased]

I feel there is a myriad of circumstances that are unbecoming to the KP talent on the list.


BZT - probably stays on the list as depth due to the Michael Hurley injury and ? about his future. (edit. contracted fo '23 helps)
Hurley - we cost him a year, and probably success from his career due to ASAGA. Hip injury one of those unbecoming circumstances we couldn't see coming
Brand - Second year player who probably hasn't come on as I would have liked. The lack of midfield pressure probably hasn't helped his cause.
Francis - another who we could never have predicted would struggle to adapt to the professionalism required to play AFL. Not settling him in defence or attack hasn't helped Aaron imho.

Eyre - Much like Brand going the other way, the highlights from his U18 year was leading at the footy, in the games I have seen, Josh is sitting under the high ball due to poor ball movement forward of centre.
Baldwin - I am one who was probably not forgiving enough but having read the past two pages, great discussion gang, we should absolutely afford him 2023. Being forced to play earlier than expected due to a number of circumstances isn't ideal but he is simply kicking goals at the lower level. You can't deny that.

The fact BZT has a contract doesn't help Francis imho. Brand should be held out by Reid so that frees up two list spots (Francis, Brand) whilst many expect Hurley to retire. That is 3 KPD I would expect to lose and the list would still be in fairly reasonable shape.

Eyre has shown some ability in defence which further enhances the possibilities I floated, Baldwin is a free hit who we need to help play his best football.

You'd want to see brand and eyre showing growth signs, but i think you extend both and francis. Esp if we retire heppell or reduce his role.

Zerk gets his contract year, and baldwin is a no brainer extend. Fact he's even playing AFL is testament to him. I didnt anticipate he'd be an option before next year at the earliest.

Our issue isnt the kids arent developed. Issue is we've underinvested whilst we had hooker, hurley and daniher

 

[Yoda_]

You'd want to see brand and eyre showing growth signs, but i think you extend both and francis. Esp if we retire heppell or reduce his role.

Zerk gets his contract year, and baldwin is a no brainer extend. Fact he's even playing AFL is testament to him. I didnt anticipate he'd be an option before next year at the earliest.

Our issue isnt the kids arent developed. Issue is we've underinvested whilst we had hooker, hurley and daniher

This has seriously been compounded by injuries. What would we be if we hadn't;t given Peter Wright an opportunity? Royally screwed, that's what.



Just on Francis, I think, unfortunately, he will (should imho) be a victim of timing. In a 1:1 between he and BZT, Francis should absolutely be in front for a key defensive position, whilst Aaron being a viable option forward just hasn't worked (yet). He has 15 weeks to turn that ship around.


I feel that we have to many "samey's" on the list, clogging up multiple list spots with limited list vacancies available. Wouldn't we be better served having one developing KPD (Reid, Brand, Eyre) and fill those others with more needed positions? (... inside mid, runner perhaps?).

Feel we have thrown enough darts in the last two drafts to see us start culling at years end and those who face the axe, may be stiff but for limited list spots.

 

[The Prosecutor]

We do not have the list spots to burn on players who are a tiny chance of making it.

We're already stuck with one at the other end of the ground.

The reason you persist with Eyre is because if it clicks you know it will work. It was always going to be a long term project. You don't abandon that project for a player who might make it if he can somehow overcome significant physical limitations.

As I said no one shed a tear for Gown. He was a very capable footballer but it was just as obvious that he wasn't going to cut it at the higher level.

Or even just compare with the little we have seen of Voss buzzing around the ground. Much better movement offering the same strengths.

You take the punt on Baldwin because of what he was, no criticism there but if he doesn't show significant improvement in his movement by the end of the year he has to go.

What the **** dude, did you seriously think Baldwin was a short-term, instant impact or something?

The physical limitations you speak of are only relevant at this point if he was experiencing a reoccurrence. Other than that, this is a guy who was a projected top-10 draft pick who basically hasn't been able to play since he was 16. Despite that, he's managed to come in to the club and kick 8 goals in his last two VFL matches against men in losing sides and you're just writing him off after a couple of AFL games, because he hasn't dominated? Just think about it, despite all his set backs, he's shown enough for the coaches in the 14 months he's been here that warranted coming straight into the AFL team for R1.

And for what, to keep Josh Eyre who has next to no excuse compared to Baldwin, has never shown the same upside and hasn't yet done anything to warrant a senior game?

What a world. Maybe have just a little patience.

 

[BrunoV]

What the fu** dude, did you seriously think Baldwin was a short-term, instant impact or something?

The physical limitations you speak of are only relevant at this point if he was experiencing a reoccurrence. Other than that, this is a guy who was a projected top-10 draft pick who basically hasn't been able to play since he was 16. Despite that, he's managed to come in to the club and kick 8 goals in his last two VFL matches against men in losing sides and you're just writing him off after a couple of AFL games, because he hasn't dominated? Just think about it, despite all his set backs, he's shown enough for the coaches in the 14 months he's been here that warranted coming straight into the AFL team for R1.

And for what, to keep Josh Eyre who has next to no excuse compared to Baldwin, has never shown the same upside and hasn't yet done anything to warrant a senior game?

What a world. Maybe have just a little patience.

I'm patient when I can see the potential reward. Hence, I'll wear Eyre being horrible at the moment.

You all talk about instant impact as though I've suggested that's what should happen.

I ask the same question no one answered a page ago. Does Begley make it as a key forward because he's 4cm taller? He played very good VFL footy.

 

[TheGrizz]

I'm patient when I can see the potential reward. Hence, I'll wear Eyre being horrible at the moment.

You all talk about instant impact as though I've suggested that's what should happen.

I lose the same question on one answered a page ago. Does Begley make it as a key forward because he's 4cm taller? He played very good VFL footy.

I thought the kicker with Begley was less to do with ability (of which he seemed to have plenty) and more to do with application and willingness to follow coaching direction?

 

[ant555]

I can see what is coming this year. If we want to draft another midfielder with our first pick it is looking like it will be another 180cm one.

 

[Lore]

I can see what is coming this year. If we want to draft another midfielder with our first pick it is looking like it will be another 180cm one.

Always the way huh.

Seem to be linked to a few by trade so potentially looking to get more of what we want and not more of what we don't really need..

 

[BrunoV]

I can see what is coming this year. If we want to draft another midfielder with our first pick it is looking like it will be another 180cm one.

Go tall, then. Would be madness to just take the mid because that's what's on offer.

Look at Smith, Stone, O'Halloran and Voss to add meat around the ball.

 

[Yoda_]

I can see what is coming this year. If we want to draft another midfielder with our first pick it is looking like it will be another 180cm one.

Perfect opportunity to split a pick 4 / 5 into a 2 x 10 - 15

 

[citizen-erased]

This has seriously been compounded by injuries. What would we be if we hadn't;t given Peter Wright an opportunity? Royally screwed, that's what.



Just on Francis, I think, unfortunately, he will (should imho) be a victim of timing. In a 1:1 between he and BZT, Francis should absolutely be in front for a key defensive position, whilst Aaron being a viable option forward just hasn't worked (yet). He has 15 weeks to turn that ship around.


I feel that we have to many "samey's" on the list, clogging up multiple list spots with limited list vacancies available. Wouldn't we be better served having one developing KPD (Reid, Brand, Eyre) and fill those others with more needed positions? (... inside mid, runner perhaps?).

Feel we have thrown enough darts in the last two drafts to see us start culling at years end and those who face the axe, may be stiff but for limited list spots.

Agree on the samey front

Id pick 2 of eyre, brand or mcbride
Extend baldwin as he's pure forward but also potential to 2nd ruck
I feel we need heppell and hurley to retire and tippa is a watch here too.

I can see what is coming this year. If we want to draft another midfielder with our first pick it is looking like it will be another 180cm one.

Hewett at 186 gotta be mighty tempting

 

[ant555]

Agree on the samey front

Id pick 2 of eyre, brand or mcbride
Extend baldwin as he's pure forward but also potential to 2nd ruck
I feel we need heppell and hurley to retire and tippa is a watch here too.

Hewett at 186 gotta be mighty tempting

Could be in the range. Have not watched enough yet for me to have a solid opinion.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

I can see what is coming this year. If we want to draft another midfielder with our first pick it is looking like it will be another 180cm one.

I heard Lemmey was actually looking for more midfield minutes this year

 

[citizen-erased]

Could be in the range. Have not watched enough yet for me to have a solid opinion.

Had a quick read of the bios. Sounds a good fit. Will try start watching some u18 games now

 

[Duckworth]

Had a quick read of the bios. Sounds a good fit. Will try start watching some u18 games now

Keep an eye on any midfielders with a growth spurt.

 

[Sporno 4 Pyros]

Tsatas looks amazing in this footage

Road to the Draft: Could this midfielder be another Clayton Oliver?

Cal Twomey and Nat Edwards take a look at the top three midfield prospects in this year's draft pool

www.afl.com.au

 

[Yoda_]

Few guys right in our hitting zone to keep an eye out for this early out in the year

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Brayden George the one for us. 18 goals in 5 games as a 186cm nugget with mid potential.

 

[Bombers1234]

Has Ashcroft committed to Brisbane yet? Thought there were talks earlier in the year that he'd prefer to stay in Melbourne.

 

[eth-dog]

COLGATE YOUNG GUNS​

#	NAME	SURNAME	DOB	HT	COMMUNITY CLUB	NAB LEAGUE REGION / VFL CLUB
1	Massimo	D'Ambrossio	5-06-2003	178	Point Cook	Western Jets
2	Harvey	Gallagher	26-09-2003	177	Sandhurst	Bendigo Pioneers
3	Paddy	Cross	14-02-2003	181	Nar Nar Goon	Gippsland Power
4	Euriah	Hollard	11-03-2003	175	Newtown & Chilwell	Geelong Falcons
5	Patrick	Dozzi	27-06-2003	185	Montmorency	Northern Knights
6	Tyler	Norton	8-05-2003	184	Wangaratta Magpies	Murray Bushrangers
7	Oskar	Faulkhead	11-02-2003	179	Wentworth	Bendigo Pioneers
8	Hamish	Sinnott	25-11-2003	186	Camperdown FC	GWV Rebels
9	Max	Walton	6-11-2003	182	Phillip Island	Gippsland Power
10	Jamieson	Ballantyne	16-04-2003	183	Portland FC	GWV Rebels
11	Charlie	Molan	23-01-2003	187	Mount Clear	GWV Rebels / Williamstown
12	Zavier	Maher	5-05-2002	185	Shepparton United	Carlton VFL
13	Lachlan	Carrigan	9-12-2002	191	Hampton Rovers	Richmond VFL
14	Hugo	Hall-Kahan	22-09-2003	188	Old Haileybury	Sandringham Dragons
15	Jed	Rule	10-06-2003	191	Box Hill Hawks	Oakleigh Chargers
16	Tyreece	Leiu	14-04-2003	194	Rowville FC	Eastern Ranges
17	Jai	Culley	24-02-2003	193	Langwarrin FC	Dandenong Stingrays
20	Ryan	Eyers	22-04-2003	198	Corowa Rutherglen	Murray Bushrangers
22	Jerome	Lawrence	18-07-2003	196	Blackburn	Oakleigh Chargers
24	Samuel	Grant	4-04-2003	199	Old Carey	Northern Knights
26	Fletcher	Hart	1-07-2003	200	Albury	Murray Bushrangers
27	Toby	Murray	3-11-2003	200	Wangaratta Rovers	Murray Bushrangers
28	Max	Ramsden	19-04-2003	202	Old Melbournians	Sandringham Dragons

VICTORIA METRO U18​

#	NAME	SURNAME	DOB	HT	COMMUNITY CLUB/SCHOOL	NAB LEAGUE REGION
1	Mason	Helleren	03-02-04	172	South Croydon	Eastern Ranges
2	Jason	McCormick	11-02-04	174	Eltham/Box Hill SC	Northern Knights
3	Josh	Bennetts	09-08-04	178	Rowville/Rowville	Eastern Ranges
4	Cam	Nyko	25-11-05	178	Healesville/Mount Lilydale	Eastern Ranges
5	Kai	Windsor	27-01-04	179	Lysterfield/Rowville Sports Academy	Eastern Ranges
6	Cameron	Kizan	03-06-04	181	Point Cook/Maribyrnong Sports Academy	Western Jets
7	Charlie	Clarke	04-01-04	182	Port Melbourne Colts	Sandringham Dragons
8	Paul	Pascu	20-08-04	183	Oak Park/Penola	Calder Cannons
10	Harry	Sheezel	13-10-04	184	Ajax/Mount Scopus College	Sandringham Dragons
11	Caleb	Windsor	09-06-05	184	Lysterfield/Rowville	Eastern Ranges
12	Mitchell	Rowe	26-05-04	186	Mordialloc Braeside/Parkdale SC	Sandringham Dragons
14	Ben	Hempel	07-06-04	187	Mordialloc Braeside/St Bede's College	Sandringham Dragons
15	Callum	Verrell	22-04-04	187	Lysterfield/St Joseph College	Eastern Ranges
16	Jack	Newitt	13-02-03	189	Sunbury Lions	Calder Cannons
17	Nate	Caddy	14-07-05	191	Yarrambat/Parade College	Northern Knights
18	Jack	Chubb	26-02-04	194	Montmorency/Box Hill SC	Northern Knights
19	Jackson	McMenamin	29-03-04	195	Hillside	Western Jets
20	Riley	Weathrill	21-11-05	195	East Ringwood/Ringwood SC	Eastern Ranges
21	Dane	Harvey	10-05-04	197	Fitzroy/Maribyrnong College	Northern Knights
22	Lewis	Hayes	17-12-04	197	Lysterfield/Rowville Sports Academy	Eastern Ranges
23	Will	Green	08-09-05	202	Northcote/Thornbury High	Northern Knights
24	Hudson	O'Keefe	16-12-04	202	Camberwell Sharks/Camberwell High	Oakleigh Chargers
25	Clay	Tucker	09-08-04	203	Rowville/St Joseph College	Eastern Ranges

Top group are most of the potential NAB League MSD potentials. Jai Culley is the one that interests me the most.

 

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[Red Black and Blue]

Culley killed it in the first half. Likely for MSD pick 1.

 

[Yoda_]

How did Zavier Maher go?

 

[Red Black and Blue]

How did Zavier Maher go?

Pretty good not hugely influential but consistent across the game. Robbed of a Dangerfield esque centre clearance goal on the line by a team mates. Would have thought there was 4-5 better than him though. Sheezel, Gallagher, Culley, Faulkhead the bests I thought.

 

[eDPS]

How did Zavier Maher go?

As far as showing draftable traits he was right up there, not a consistent performance but his power from stoppages was impressive.

 

[TheGrizz]

Obviously we don't wish ill will on anyone, but if a mid-season pick spot opens up, a benefit of being 3rd last is we may get a crack at Jai Culley in the mid season draft.

A 193cm midfielder who kicked 4 first half goals in the Colgate Young guns game. If we have pick 3 in the MSD then surely it is a no-brainer if he slips through.