AFL knock back Gaza humanitarian aid advertising at Adelaide Oval

[maxmustard]

Well done AFL.

The occult anti-Semitism in this country has reared its ugly head since the start of the lastest conflict.

That is a cheap and insulting way of dismissing any discussion at all around Israel.

The AFL will jump on a cause when it suits. They capitalise on nationalism every year and like most sports promote the military uncritically. No matter anyone's opinion on the conflict supporting humanitarian aid does not equate to being anti Israel.

 

[Dudley Leopard]

AFL is a Zionist organization

Wrong.

AFL is a front for the Illuminati in their patient campaign for the establishment of the New World Order.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Criticising Israel is not equal to criticising the Jewish religion.

Drop the victim complex.

 

[radiojake]

Well done AFL.

The occult anti-Semitism in this country has reared its ugly head since the start of the lastest conflict.

riiiiight....

calling for humanitarian aid for Gaza is akin to occult anti-Semitism -


get a grip

 

[The Swert]

Thought this was about Ablett.

Does Ablett needs humanitarian aid to cover the cost of his shoulder surgery? Here take my money.

 

[base615]

I'm pretty sure the ad campaign against the previous government's proposed gambling reforms were political. The AFL seemed to have **** all problem with those.

The AFL are an utter disgrace.

 

[telsor]

The concept of a "Palestine" only came into place in the 1920's if my history serves me right. No nation called Palestine ever existed in history before that.

Pretty much. It was broken off from the Ottoman empire after WW1 and that area (Palestine and Jordan) was made into a British territory.

After the 1948 War with the new Jewish state, when Egypt, Jordan & Syria owned the 'occupied territories', no effort was made to hand them over to the Palestinians or create a Palestinian state. Indeed, somewhat ironically, Israel has done more to create Palestine than any Arab state has (not saying they weren't 'encouraged' in this).



Back to the topic though...Would those who think this should be allowed be equally OK with advertising for aid to Israel to support them in their fight? If not, then the AFL is right to consider this 'too political'.

 

[radiojake]

Back to the topic though...Would those who think this should be allowed be equally OK with advertising for aid to Israel to support them in their fight? If not, then the AFL is right to consider this 'too political'.

Who said anything about advertising to support any fighting in the OP?

 

[telsor]

Who said anything about advertising to support any fighting in the OP?

OK, supporting those on the recieving end of HAMAS rockets and infiltration attacks.

 

[base615]

Back to the topic though...Would those who think this should be allowed be equally OK with advertising for aid to Israel to support them in their genocide? If not, then the AFL is right to consider this 'too political'.

Fixed

 

[telsor]

Fixed

Yeah, not like Hamas has in their charter statements about wiping out not just Israel, but Jews everywhere.

Or that Israel has observed every ceasefire, and Hamas has broken every one.

 

[base615]

Yeah, not like Hamas has in their charter statements about wiping out not just Israel, but Jews everywhere.

Or that Israel has observed every ceasefire, and Hamas has broken every one.

Oh yeah? How about the other day when there was a ceasefire going on they decided to provoke things by staging an operation to destroy a tunnel. Predictably a firefight ensued and Israel said a soldier was captured. Hamas said they didn't have him but that didn't stop Israel indiscriminately bombing civilians and announcing that this would continue until Hamas released their soldier. More than 300 civvies were killed before Israel went "Oh, the bloke was killed in action, not captured. Oops".

Utter campaigners. How is it that Israel has an "army" seemingly able to do whatever the **** they want to while Palestine only has "terrorists" who have to sit meekly by and allow an invading force carte blanche to carry out whatever operations they want to?

Luckily not all Jews, or even Israelis are brainwashed into thinking this is acceptable. You should read some Gideon Levy some time for a horrific account of what goes on over there.

I'm a previous supporter of them but in the past few years they have completely tipped over the edge of proportionality, especially since the Iron Dome was put in place meaning hardly any Israeli civilians are affected by rockets. Since this kicked off there have been nearly 2000 Palestinian civilians killed, and 3 Israelis.

 

[underthestars]

Just going by opinions on here it looks like the afl has done the right thing. A lot of emotion and opinion based on not a lot of fact. Two countries at battle and we want to promote saving just one? The banner is emotively charged against one side and should have been written more neutrally.

 

[telsor]

Just going by opinions on here it looks like the afl has done the right thing. A lot of emotion and opinion based on not a lot of fact. Two countries at battle and we want to promote saving just one? The banner is emotively charged against one side and should have been written more neutrally.

Exactly.

 

[chazwazza]

Interesting that the AFL never had any issue with an AFL President funding illegal outer settlements in Israel and helping the Netanyahu campaign a decade or so ago. I'm sure if it was someone doing the same for HAMAS there'd be people trying to stop it.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

four pages of a east egypt shit fight and people wonder why the AFL said no.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

anti-Semitism

the worlds ultimate get out of jail free card

 

[telsor]

Oh yeah? How about the other day when there was a ceasefire going on they decided to provoke things by staging an operation to destroy a tunnel. Predictably a firefight ensued and Israel said a soldier was captured. Hamas said they didn't have him but that didn't stop Israel indiscriminately bombing civilians and announcing that this would continue until Hamas released their soldier. More than 300 civvies were killed before Israel went "Oh, the bloke was killed in action, not captured. Oops".

Yep, that was 3 hours into a supposedly 72 hour ceasefire.

Of course, Hamas had already broken said ceasefire 2 hours earlier with an operation launched from that tunnel.

Utter campaigners. How is it that Israel has an "army" seemingly able to do whatever the **** they want to while Palestine only has "terrorists" who have to sit meekly by and allow an invading force carte blanche to carry out whatever operations they want to?

Luckily not all Jews, or even Israelis are brainwashed into thinking this is acceptable. You should read some Gideon Levy some time for a horrific account of what goes on over there.

I'm a previous supporter of them but in the past few years they have completely tipped over the edge of proportionality, especially since the Iron Dome was put in place meaning hardly any Israeli civilians are affected by rockets. Since this kicked off there have been nearly 2000 Palestinian civilians killed, and 3 Israelis.

Tell me, when Hamas fires rockets into Israel, what are the Israelis meant to do? Send them rocket fuel?

Remember, Hamas was created because the peace deal between Israel and the PLO (the one where West bank and Gaza became Palestinian controlled) didn't give ALL the land to the Palestinians. As the Hamas Charter says, "There is no negotiated settlement possible. Jihad is the only answer."

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

four pages of a east egypt shit fight and people wonder why the AFL said no.

i think this is pretty tame. try making a thread about aborigines or gays and this would be up to 20 by now.. because the feelings of minorities is more important than innocent people being bombed.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

Pretty much. It was broken off from the Ottoman empire after WW1 and that area (Palestine and Jordan) was made into a British territory.

After the 1948 War with the new Jewish state, when Egypt, Jordan & Syria owned the 'occupied territories', no effort was made to hand them over to the Palestinians or create a Palestinian state. Indeed, somewhat ironically, Israel has done more to create Palestine than any Arab state has (not saying they weren't 'encouraged' in this).



Back to the topic though...Would those who think this should be allowed be equally OK with advertising for aid to Israel to support them in their fight? If not, then the AFL is right to consider this 'too political'.

it's not about aiding israel or palestine. it's not for us to take sides in international affairs. it's about aiding the innocent people caught in the middle (which 95% are palestinian because Israels weapons technology is so superior).

 

[telsor]

it's not about aiding israel or palestine. it's not for us to take sides in international affairs. it's about aiding the innocent people caught in the middle (which 95% are palestinian because Hamas uses them as human shields).

EFA.

Hamas's goal is to win public support by having their own people die. They try and provoke that by trying to Make Israeli's die.



Rather than send aid here, why not send aid to Syria...More people die each day in the conflict there than die in a week in Palestine...or doesn't that count because it's not Jews doing the killing?

 

[Sydney Bloods]

i think this is pretty tame. try making a thread about aborigines or gays and this would be up to 20 by now.. because the feelings of minorities is more important than innocent people being bombed.

way to miss the point, this is a footy forum 90% of people don't know understand or actually give two shits about gaza, nor do most australians. no matter what carefully worded polling question try to make out. statistically you will find more people who are or know indigenous Australians and gay people and have some understanding of the issue.

Gaza, hate to break it to all the minorities associated with (this in this country both sides are minorities) people have very little understanding or care about the issue, because despite being the loudest pack of campaigners in the room, the on going war between these two is viewed as no more important then any multitude of conflicts around the world to most aussies.

I get it for some people this is highly emotive, in fact some people have pointed out the conflict with sudan how would the AFL react? what they fail to grasp is why there is no appeal for the people in south sudan is the same reason the AFL said no to gaza. The vast majority of people don't give a shit and generally the ones that do care more about the politics then actually helping people.

 

[telsor]

The vast majority of people don't give a shit and generally the ones that do care more about the politics then actually helping people.

Yep.

As I said, the fighting has been going on in Syria for a lot longer, and the casualty count each day is far higher, but we don't hear about that in the same way. (add in any number of other conflicts to this).

 

[base615]

Tell me, when Hamas fires rockets into Israel, what are the Israelis meant to do? Send them rocket fuel?

And why are the rocket attacks happening? Oh, that's right, because Israel are not content with the current borders and continue to expand their settlements into Palestinian territories.

Nobody would argue that they have a right to defend themselves but they have a responsibility to stick to their own boundaries and not deliberately provoke the situation, which is exactly what they are doing.

They also have a responsibility to be proportionate in their responses which they are far from doing. If a single Israeli soldier (who shouldn't even ****ing be there) is killed in Gaza then they respond by obliterating tens of Palestinian civilians. That is not a reasonable or appropriate reaction. For every civilian they kill they are creating numerous future "terrorists" and succeeding in both prolonging this into the future and, this time, alienating much of the world against them.

 

[telsor]

And why are the rocket attacks happening? Oh, that's right, because Israel are not content with the current borders and continue to expand their settlements into Palestinian territories.

Nobody would argue that they have a right to defend themselves but they have a responsibility to stick to their own boundaries and not deliberately provoke the situation, which is exactly what they are doing.

They also have a responsibility to be proportionate in their responses which they are far from doing. If a single Israeli soldier (who shouldn't even ******* be there) is killed in Gaza then they respond by obliterating tens of Palestinian civilians. That is not a reasonable or appropriate reaction. For every civilian they kill they are creating numerous future "terrorists" and succeeding in both prolonging this into the future and, this time, alienating much of the world against them.

What borders would the Palestinians be happy with?

As I said (and you cut from where you quoted me) the Hamas Charter says, "There is no negotiated settlement possible. Jihad is the only answer."

Given that, what borders do you think they'd be happy with?