AFL knock back Gaza humanitarian aid advertising at Adelaide Oval

[The 747]

Of course not - it would have been nigh on impossible for Bryant to do it. Any actual reading into the subject confirms this - but it's easier to just eat what you're fed.

Ermagerd

 

[The 747]

the 2 last pages indicate why this was the right decision. too hot, too decisive

Have no idea how Martin Byrant got dragged into this.

It's all connected man, Port Arthur, Waco, the Illuminati, the Rothschilds, mind control, Opus Dei......

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

And there you have it people.

You read something some douchebag posts on the net without a shred of corroborating evidence, but I'm the one just eating what I'm spoonfed?

What are you even talking about? Why are you assuming to know anything about me or what I've read?

Get over yourself.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Ermagerd

Always gets the gallery excited.

 

[Big_Birdy]

What are you even talking about? Why are you assuming to know anything about me or what I've read?

Get over yourself.

Because you PM'd me a link exposing the "evidence" the last time we discussed this. So I do have some idea about what you've read.

 

[Anderson Brown]

"Jews never stop taking land" Um.. didn't Israel give Gaza to the Palestinians? And wasn't this the first time anyone (including all Arab countries) ever gave independent land to Palestinians? hmmm..

Israel never gave Gaza to Palestine as it was never their's to give. Since Israel's conception, Gaza has always been an Egyptian territory. Their military occupation of the regions since the six day war was never recognised as anything but an military occupation by any other nation bar Israel. Gaza was no more independent than the illegally annexed East Jerusalem and Golan.

 

[Sidra]

I totally agree, many cultures have lived in the land. But when it comes to who was there first, it was the Jews.

I was more using that as an example as to why the analogy was stupid in general, not to say it could be right using the correct culture for the aboriginies.

Not true.

Even the Jews admit that to begin with they took the land by force thousands of years ago becuase they beleived that had a divine right to it. History is littered with such events so it’s nothing out of the ordinary.

The only thing out of the ordinary is that we are supporting another conquest today, claiming it is somehow morally defensible to cleanse a country of its inhabitants because some people happen to want it and they happen to share the same religion as someone who lived there 2000 years ago.

 

[mulz]

Correct call from the Afl. Well done gil

 

[Monkey King]

Israel never gave Gaza to Palestine as it was never their's to give. Since Israel's conception, Gaza has always been an Egyptian territory. Their military occupation of the regions since the six day war was never recognised as anything but an military occupation by any other nation bar Israel. Gaza was no more independent than the illegally annexed East Jerusalem and Golan.

When I hear stories about our brave diggers at Gallipoli, the first thing I think of is this mess.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Not true.

Even the Jews admit that to begin with they took the land by force thousands of years ago becuase they beleived that had a divine right to it. History is littered with such events so it’s nothing out of the ordinary.

The only thing out of the ordinary is that we are supporting another conquest today, claiming it is somehow morally defensible to cleanse a country of its inhabitants because some people happen to want it and they happen to share the same religion as someone who lived there 2000 years ago.

I was referring to who was there first out of the cultures currently inhabitting it/fighting over it.

Your second paragraph, that (correct) argument could be used against both sides. Israel in 1949 and and The Palestinians now. Which may be what you were getting at?

 

[pablo668]

I totally agree, many cultures have lived in the land. But when it comes to who was there first, it was the Jews.

I was more using that as an example as to why the analogy was stupid in general, not to say it could be right using the correct culture for the aboriginies.

Ahhhh, even that isn't certain. As I said there were many groups of people there. Most following similar spiritual practices that gradually morphed over centuries into what we would recognize as religions. According to the Jews/Israelis they were there first, but archeologically, it's a long way from proven.

 

[justbetter]

the aid money will probably get used to build more rockets and tunnels, good decision by AFL

 

[Big_Birdy]

Ahhhh, even that isn't certain. As I said there were many groups of people there. Most following similar spiritual practices that gradually morphed over centuries into what we would recognize as religions. According to the Jews/Israelis they were there first, but archeologically, it's a long way from proven.

To be honest I didnt explain myself properly. I just meant out of the Jews, Arabs and Palestinians.

Im guessing the Assyrians were around the place way back when too, Hittites too maybe although I think they were more Turkey?

It all makes it seem so silly to me, but I guess thats easy for me to say

 

[Throw]

The issue isn't whether the AFL is pro or anti-Israel or whether Israel's occupation and military action in Palestine is legal/legitimate (it isnt) - the charity was raising money for kids who were born into circumstances outside their control, who didn't choose to be born in a war zone. Shit like this is really turning me off the AFL. This was a weak decision made by someone who clearly doesn't understand the issues. The AFL did a weak, self interested George-Brandis-eqsue thing and blocked a charity from helping vulnerable children. I'd be curious to know what the Arab population of Western Sydney thinks of it too. Piss weak. It's decisions like this that make me wonder whether people in head office are up to the job, or if they're just some clique of Scotch College graduates living the high life.

Gillon you're where you are because you were born into privilege that would blow the mind of the typical Palestinian child.

I've been a Crow critic for a long time but on this occasion, good on them.

 

[vonn]

Why is the army reserves being seen as a negative thing? There are people volunteering their time, energy and potentially lives for the good of the country. Forget whatever objectives the higher powers want them to do, people who enlist should not be seen as someone who is for or against a political movement. I think it's quite honourable.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

The issue isn't whether the AFL is pro or anti-Israel or whether Israel's occupation and military action in Palestine is legal/legitimate (it isnt) - the charity was raising money for kids who were born into circumstances outside their control, who didn't choose to be born in a war zone. Shit like this is really turning me off the AFL. This was a weak decision made by someone who clearly doesn't understand the issues. The AFL did a weak, self interested George-Brandis-eqsue thing and blocked a charity from helping vulnerable children. I'd be curious to know what the Arab population of Western Sydney thinks of it too. Piss weak. It's decisions like this that make me wonder whether people in head office are up to the job, or if they're just some clique of Scotch College graduates living the high life.

Gillon you're where you are because you were born into privilege that would blow the mind of the typical Palestinian child.

I've been a Crow critic for a long time but on this occasion, good on them.

yes, but aiding Palestinian civillians will be seen as pro-palestine, and therefore anti-israel(which is of course the worst crime anyone can commit in the world)

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Because you PM'd me a link exposing the "evidence" the last time we discussed this. So I do have some idea about what you've read.

Sorry to continue this dumb derail a bit, but I can't recall or find any record of that - can you tell me when this occurred?

 

[SBYM]

The land of milk and honey, they say...

 

[garlic munchers]

Why is the army reserves being seen as a negative thing? There are people volunteering their time, energy and potentially lives for the good of the country. Forget whatever objectives the higher powers want them to do, people who enlist should not be seen as someone who is for or against a political movement. I think it's quite honourable.

Unfortunately for some on here, can't differentiate between our Army Reserves and the good honourable Hamas freedom fighters.

 

[GordonBlue]

I for one am not anti-Semite and not anti-Israel however against the Israel's treatment of Palestine and Gaza.

I ****ing hate it when I give my opinions about proper treatment of all human beings and being called anti-Semitic for it. I am allowed to have sympathy for people that are suffering without making me a racist. I do not hate any race, however I do hate governments, actions of those governments and people who support any actions that brings terror, pain or take away human rights from people.

Having said that, make the advertisement about all people who are suffering from all wars. Gaza is suffering badly at the moment, however so are other countries around the world. This is sport... whilst I do not believe this advertisement is in any way "anti-Israel", it left itself open for people who do hate others to brand it as so.

I love this country because I can sit next to an Arab and a Jew and they both support the same team. The reason this is so, is because politics and sports should never mix.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Sorry to continue this dumb derail a bit, but I can't recall or find any record of that - can you tell me when this occurred?

I can't find it either, but I think it was a little over a year ago. Now however im not 100%, so in that case I retract and apologise.

 

[Roobs321]

Come on people, if you can't see the difference here, there is something wrong with you. Comparing this to the army reserve or betting is off the mark, and poor form. The particular conflict in question also has a contentious history in a wide variety of areas, it's wise for the AFL not to dare touch it. Crows management should have known better, and World Vision were wrong to approach them for this particular purpose. AFL were wise to step in.

 

[DaVillaBlues]

I am not accusing anyone on this forum of this, but i have observed many extreme right-wing voting rednecks (esp Tea Party/GOP and UKIP supporters/voters) automatically supporting Israel in this conflict, simply because of their prejudice and hatred of Muslims/Arabs.

Ironically, many decent and politically moderate Jews i know are against Israel's overzealous, reactionary military offensive in Gaza.

To me, that sums up the worldwide public reaction to this conflict in a nutshell.

 

[Big_Birdy]

I am not accusing anyone on this forum of this, but i have observed many extreme right-wing voting rednecks (esp Tea Party/GOP and UKIP supporters/voters) automatically supporting Israel in this conflict, simply because of their prejudice and hatred of Muslims/Arabs.

Ironically, many decent and politically moderate Jews i know are against Israel's overzealous, reactionary military offensive in Gaza.

To me, that sums up the worldwide public reaction to this conflict in a nutshell.

If you're going to try and make a point about other peoples predjudices it may be an idea to not to use the bigotted term Rednecks. May seem a bit hypocritical.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Politics have no place in football. The AFL would lose the Jewish audience anyway

I'm afraid it does. Look how the AFL lobby governments at local and state level for ground up grades etc.
The AFL have kept the Jewish audience, but just lost the Muslim one.