Preview AFL Round 3 - Collingwood v Geelong, MCG, 7:50PM Saturday 5 April

[hbk_aus]

Were we going for a flag in 2013?
Are we going for a flag in 2014?
CS has consistently stated our next flag opportunity, which he is working towards, is 2015.
Does that mean we won't try for a flag this season?

My point is, we should go for it every year.

Did he ever actually say that though? I think it's a common misconception. I think what he initially said was something like we don't want to just be challenging now, we want to still be up there in 2015. Nowhere has he states that "our next flag opportunity is in 2015". That would be redunculous.

 

[Zouz Kitty]

Oh OK. That may be so + I've misinterpreted him. But I thought he did say that with rebuilding the team it was naïve to think of winning a flag + he was working towards 2015, being a realistic opportunity

 

[Seeds]

Not on present form.

simpson was better in the Adelaide game when they were both on the ground (clearly better too) and McIntosh was better in the Brisbane game in conditions that won't be encountered often.

 

[Teriyakicat]

I would have loved to have had Simpson and McIntosh wearing Grundy down over 4 quarters. Anyway we'll find out soon enough how things will go.

McIntosh will beat him on his own.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Fred, the hitout stats (% hitouts to advantage, I would think) are available in The West Australian- rucks usually run at about 30-odd %, from memory. When I get home, I'll dig up some from other ruckmen from the last round and post them here for comparison. I think they're Champion Data stats.

Thanks, Tyc, we get the ho to advantage stats in the paper here too, so no need to bother extracting them.
The actual average for all players/games is about 25.3% of all hitouts = hitouts to advantage, ie they go to his team. However, about 14.2% are hitouts to disadvantage, ie they are sharked by the opposition, and this figure isn't published in the game stats, as far as I can tell.
And, as I'm sure you have by now worked out, 60% of all hitouts don't go nowhere.
Which is why the hitout stat, on its own, is virtually meaningless.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Simple logic.

Collingwood have 1 recognised ruckman, a 2nd year rookie I might add.

McIntosh has performed the better of the two thus far during the first 2 rounds.

McIntosh gets the nod to prevent us from going in too top heavy.

Blicavs is also an extra runner than can pinch hit when White (who is ordinary in this department) takes the mantle for Collingwood, thus giving HMac a rest.

Simpson will likely be recalled next week when opposition structures warrant such a callup. Cox, Sinclair, Naitanui.

Now can we all move along and talk about how were going to get the better of the Pies in other areas of the ground.

 

[mac_cat]

Both Simpson and Sheringham have been kept out of the VFL as AFL emergencies. Obviously Enright is still under a cloud, but maybe big Dawson will be a late in again this week, too.

 

[Willo_]

Far out.... have to agree with VC, So much of this thread is garbage

If people INSIST on making the same argument again and again and again *cough Partridge cough* any chance you could just multi quote everyone you disagree with so we can see the 1st point then just skim over where it's repeated 37 times

Just sayin

 

[Willo_]

Simpson and Sheringham not playing VFL.....

 

[Moggy]

I never said they don't make mistakes. In fact, pay attention and you'll see I'm critical from time to time.


Ah, speaking of tired old fallback positions! The merits of selection decisions for the finals in 2013 - and any match for that matter - are matters of opinion, not objective fact, despite the zealotry one sees around here pretty regularly. The counterfactual is unknown and unprovable. Nobody can state with any certainty what would have happened under different selection scenarios.

The upshot of it all though is as I stated - you are effectively asking us not to merely believe that the MC are fallible - no one would contend they are not - you are asking us to believe that the MC habitually makes the same error over and over again. I for one find that much harder to believe than the more plausible explanation that they are more grounded in the reality than keyboard warriors (myself included) on BigFooty.

Reading this was like feeling a cool breeze on a hot summer's day

 

[Teriyakicat]

Far out.... have to agree with VC, So much of this thread is garbage

If people INSIST on making the same argument again and again and again *cough Partridge cough* any chance you could just multi quote everyone you disagree with so we can see the 1st point then just skim over where it's repeated 37 times

Just sayin

......*scroll, scroll*.... *scroll, scroll*....
.....14 pages later....

 

[Moggy]

Exactly. As long as the match committee is made up by human beings, they're liable to the same biases and preconceptions as all of us. Giving them a big pay cheque every fortnight doesn't change that.

The bottom line is they like some players and don't like others. Those they like will have to run over Scott's dog to get dropped from the team, those they don't like have to work much harder and put many more runs on the board to earn, let alone keep, a spot in the team. Just the way it is.

To think that decisions are made in this way is laughable

 

[Moggy]

If you read all of cynicals posts you'd never come around on any subject.
He seeds and Partridge would be excellent dinner guests.

Think I'd serve blood pudding.

I suggest you take some valium before the guests arrive...

 

[Moggy]

Both Simpson and Sheringham have been kept out of the VFL as AFL emergencies. Obviously Enright is still under a cloud, but maybe big Dawson will be a late in again this week, too.

Dawson not going to bust his hump all day in the VFL.
Can we wind back from DEFCON 1 now?

 

[catempire]

Reading this was like feeling a cool breeze on a hot summer's day

Haha. Hope Oslo is warming up for you Moggy.

 

[Vdubs]

McIntosh will beat him on his own.

For how long is the critical issue.

 

[vinum coupe]

I love blood pudding! Please invite me to observe?

So do I.
Cooked in apple cider with cassia bark.
A few pepper corns, maybe paprika.

 

[winty]

Simpson has racked up a total of 8 possessions in 2014... not exactly huge numbers.

Plus 43 hitouts and a goal. Remind me what position he is again?

Sounds like Mark Blake...

 

[Seeds]

To think that decisions are made in this way is laughable

not if you understand how the brain works. Most humans are ruled by unconscious biases and these biases can significantly influence our decisions without us even being aware of them.

 

[Moggy]

not if you understand how the brain works. Most humans are ruled by unconscious biases and these biases can significantly influence our decisions without us even being aware of them.

But we are talking about a group that sit together an discuss their options. It's not an unconscious process.

In addition, humans are also ruled by self-interest, and as such are biased towards picking people who will win games and keep them in a job!

 

[David the Cat]

If you read all of cynicals posts you'd never come around on any subject.
He seeds and Partridge would be excellent dinner guests.

Think I'd serve blood pudding.[/quote


……………..laced with…….

 

[vinum coupe]

not if you understand how the brain works. Most humans are ruled by unconscious biases and these biases can significantly influence our decisions without us even being aware of them.

What a complete load of BS

What level of pshyc are you?
I'd say zero 30.

 

[Catastic82]

Sounds like Mark Blake...

Shitfight imminent in 1...2...3

 

[GeelongFTW]

someone say shitfight?

 

[Partridge]

He has to play in Bendigo if not the firsts.
It would be madness.

But please, go create a match committee thread.
You are completely killing this one. And almost solely.

Yeah just me. No one else has contributed anything.

You really do make staggeringly stupid comments sometimes.