AFL Surprised Free Agency Not Working

[Leeda]

Hear that? The collective groans of draft hopefuls realising theres a greater chance of being sent to brisbane, or melbourne etc

and they want to play the grand final in another state from the MCG huh!!

 

[Gralin]

Brian lake being able to chase premiership glory after being a loyal bulldogs player for such a long time is perfectly fair enough IMO. If you cant retain a player after they have been at your club for so long then so be it. Look at your club and the fact players want to leave instead of blaming the system.

The Hawks gave up their first two national draft picks, No.21 and No.41, in return for Lake and pick No.27.
What has Lake got to do with free agency?

 

[mightymouse75]

Maybe players can only move to bottom 10 teams for that year as per fa?

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

AFL are good at making money, it's their only skill. Running a fair and equitable competition is way out of their reach.

 

[Franko Armani]

Brian lake being able to chase premiership glory after being a loyal bulldogs player for such a long time is perfectly fair enough IMO. If you cant retain a player after they have been at your club for so long then so be it. Look at your club and the fact players want to leave instead of blaming the system.

Let's remember that in his last year at the Dogs he was pushed forward then vanished to the VFL for a large portion of that season. The writing was on the wall, nobody wanted him and the Hawks threw him a lifeline with the scope to possibly filling a void of his body/mental state held up. It worked!

 

[Pessimistic]

Maybe players can only move to bottom 10 teams for that year as per fa?

NQFA

 

[10571z]

The Hawks gave up their first two national draft picks, No.21 and No.41, in return for Lake and pick No.27.
What has Lake got to do with free agency?

I thought he was taken through free agency. Obviously not haha

 

[Pessimistic]

Let's remember that in his last year at the Dogs he was pushed forward then vanished to the VFL for a large portion of that season. The writing was on the wall, nobody wanted him and the Hawks threw him a lifeline with the scope to possibly filling a void of his body/mental state held up. It worked!

They hated his guts and the dominant clique wanted him gorn

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Its plain carlton brisbane and melbourne have squanderd talent, why send more that way?

Because both Melbourne and Carlton have since changed their recruiting staff. Now Mahoney and SOS. So far they look to be recruiting better.

Brisbane is more complex. A competition that almost doesn't care at all about them, in an NRL market, leak cash like a sieve and as revealed by Jonathon Brown have adopted a policy of recruiting mature age journeymen/foot soldiers unlikely to take them all the way, simply because they're scared off a solely draft focused strategy because players want out after their 2-3 years at the club. Docherty, Yeo, Polec, Longer, Aish, Crisp (as Beams makeweight), Redden, Luey have all left in the last couple of seasons. Replaced by Bastinac, Christensen, Walker, Jansen, Bell, Beams, West. Only Beams is a talent.

Leppitsch is right, it's boys against men and these 'boys' aren't all likely to want to stick it out, or like Lewis taylor try and strong arm their way to an overs deal. Of all the clubs they are the one's that need a little help, whether it be financial, administration, or playing assistance. Probably a combination actually.

 

[RUNVS]

Not many instances that I can think of where a top player from a club close to the top of the ladder has gone to a bottom club. The argument players will leave a top club for a bottom one to extra money has been completely disproven.

 

[RUNVS]

Also I can't believe I am typing this but I like David King's idea from On the Couch yesterday when he said that teams who have been out of the finals for 3 years in a row get an extra pick at the end of the first round.

 

[Bokonon]

Been excellent for these guys. Dont get all rhe angst, and my club seems to have lost more than most, by definition to teams lower on the ladder

By definition indeed.

 

[Lensen]

It's not working well because there aren't enough free agents - 8 years is too long to have a suitable pool of free agents where you can replace FAs lost

Shorter the FA period the better

 

[Leeda]

The Hawks gave up their first two national draft picks, No.21 and No.41, in return for Lake and pick No.27.
What has Lake got to do with free agency?

well I'm thinking that it has to do with choosing your preferred club.. and it gets to being a triumvirate where one likes the other
and the other likes the first and they all side and then there is nothing going on but a mini love fest...

So free agency means nothing except that a few clubs or two clubs go at it and throw balls at each other and then say hey 'suck' on that and
it gets done... surely that is it... sounds good to me... lo

 

[RUNVS]

Also a really dumb idea is the idea you have to spend 95% of your salary cap or whatever the figure is. No way should Brisbane be paying their players almost as much as Hawthorn is paying there's. Not only does it mean overpaying the Brisbane players a lot but it also means Brisbane have almost no money to spend on free agents themselves.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Also I can't believe I am typing this but I like David King's idea from On the Couch yesterday when he said that teams who have been out of the finals for 3 years in a row get an extra pick at the end of the first round.

To counter compromising the draft, I like the idea that was raised earlier in the thread.

In order to equalise the comp, any team that has more than 4 consecutive years in the finals gets a trade ban.

 

[TheEnsign]

I heard an idea on SEN a while back that I thought had some merit. When leaving as a FA, the player's actually dollar salary is adjusted +/- a max of 50% for cap purposes, depending on final club position.

For example - let's say Brisbane finish bottom next year, and lose a FA to say, Adelaide who are premiers. If the player is paid $600k a year, for cap purposes, this salary would be counted as $900k. The flipside is the same - FA players goes from premier to the spooners, $600k a year becomes $300k a year for cap purposes.

 

[Tas]

In order to equalise the comp, any team that has more than 4 consecutive years in the finals gets a trade ban.

Yeah, clubs wont tank to avoid trade bans...

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Yeah, clubs wont tank to avoid trade bans...

That race to slip down to 9th would be fierce.

 

[RUNVS]

To counter compromising the draft, I like the idea that was raised earlier in the thread.

Maybe not a trade ban but they are limited to getting a player who is going to be paid less than the competition average.

 

[Tas]

That race to slip down to 9th would be fierce.

My club for example who has been in finals for 3 years, i think, and have seen this season go pear-shaped due to injuries would probably say **** it, lets put all the injured people in cotton wool, play even more kids, get a better draft pick, avoid trade bans and load up for next year rather than fight it out.

You can't incentivise failure.

 

[Tas]

Maybe not a trade ban but they are limited to getting a player who is going to be paid less than the competition average.

So you lose a $1m player and can only get a $250k list clogger and you still have to pay the cap?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

You can't incentivise failure.

Which is precisely why priority picks are commission discretion as opposed to a rigid set of criteria and why clubs would not know exactly what is required and why it'd be case by case.

 

[RUNVS]

So you lose a $1m player and can only get a $250k list clogger and you still have to pay the cap?

Something like that yes, though maybe up to $300,000 which means a team can go for a needs based player but they can't go for a superstar. For instance the Swans would have gotten Ted Richards and probably Rhyce Shaw for under that but we wouldn't have been able to get Franklin.

 

[Pessimistic]

Also look at the fran

Not many instances that I can think of where a top player from a club close to the top of the ladder has gone to a bottom club. The argument players will leave a top club for a bottom one to extra money has been completely disproven.

I dont think it was ever an argument

But players have moved for more opportunity