AFL to mediate on Warnock deal.

[Belnakor]

It's market value mate. He's only worth what people are willing to pay.

what the **** does that even mean?

A young ruckman who is basically Warnock 2 years ago just went for a first round pick. You have rocks in your head if you think Freo are going to take someone outside the 1st round after that happened.

 

[chook2734]

No. You deal with other clubs with your pick 24 plus sweetners to get us pick 17-19. We only want the draft picks.

That's just too hard form the nurries. They might actually have to do some work and not just say 'pick 24 or NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!'. They seem to think their inability to negotiate or deal means that they should just get what they want for whatever price they deem reasonable.

 

[greennick]

The restraint is not on his earning capabilities or capacities it's on his freedom to move when out of contract.

So? It is in the best interests of the competition and would not be considered restraint of trade as there is no restraint on his earnings capacity. If this restraint of trade argument worked, don't you think some of the legal eagles would actually be talking about it. They all say it would not work due to the clause about it being in the best interests of competition.

 

[zero]

Exactly, it is not entirely in our control. Pick 6 we should not have to give up.

you dont HAVE to give up anything.

if you dont like the price, then you can just walk on and make do with hampson and pick 6, and robbie can go play for melbourne

 

[TOA.]

This is not Fremantle's problem. Do you think if you go to the shop and want to buy something that costs $100 but you only have $50 that they'll give it to you anyway? Of course not. You have to go out and find a way to get the rest of it. How you do it is up to you. The seller doesn't care how you get it, but they don't have to just accept a lesser amount because it's all you've got.

The number of players that Fremantle needs is not Carlton's problem. It should not come into consideration. Just because we have multiple spots to fill it doesn't make a crap pick any more attractive.

I know mate, its not right. But it doesnt translate to how it works in the real world or even other sports. Clubs are bound by the fact they cant trade future draft picks (wish I think is stupid) and the fact that there is a tradition in the AFL clubs of overrating their players and being so scared of trading that basically no deals get done. I dont know what the Blues are doing in terms of trying to get a better deal for the Dockers but I dont think it would be at all easy for them to do so. As soon as you start including other clubs, it gets really messy. That club knows you need to deal in order to get Warnock, as a result they amp up the price. Then you spend time trying to talk and they pull out at the 11th hour and you're left back at square one with 2hours left of trade period.

The whole system is shite if you ask me and doesnt lend itself to trading.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Pick 24 reasonable? People who think this are delusional.

Ayce Cordy, a 200cm string bean who has yet to play a game and is yet to show anything compared with Warnock, is guaranteed to go at pick 14 and could have gone at 13. That is the benchmark in this draft as far as I'm concerned. Who would you rather have? I'd take Warnock in a heartbeat. How anybody could possibly say Cordy is worth more than Warnock is beyond me.

This is silly thinking. By this logic, Warnock is worth more than Natanui as well as he is yet to pay a game and show anything at AFL level.

Cameron Wood was probably the better comparison as a ruck with a couple of years development behind him. The difference? If a player is taken at a higher draft pick in the national draft because of superior junior form, then that reputation and expectation stays with them longer than a player taken at 42 in the national draft.

Warnock was considered more of a risk coming into the AFL than many other ruckman. He looks to have potential but others have potential plus the fact they had superior form prior to the AFL so their breeding looks better.

Ayce Cordy gets his higher rating because he looks better in his position than most other players his age. Warnock didn't.

 

[sharpie]

This is not Fremantle's problem. Do you think if you go to the shop and want to buy something that costs $100 but you only have $50 that they'll give it to you anyway? Of course not. You have to go out and find a way to get the rest of it. How you do it is up to you. The seller doesn't care how you get it, but they don't have to just accept a lesser amount because it's all you've got.

The number of players that Fremantle needs is not Carlton's problem. It should not come into consideration. Just because we have multiple spots to fill it doesn't make a crap pick any more attractive.

If you go to the supermarket and the milk is expiring that day - do you expect to pay full price?

Freo won't get full value because they are a motivated seller,

We got below par on Judd this year and you'll get below par on Warnock.

Carlton hold the cards unfortunately for you guys

 

[Monkey King]

so basically i would say "pick 6 for robbie and pick 21, or else he goes and plays for melbourne for free".

and if he goes for free, **** it, no great loss.

**** it then. There is no way Freo will get pick 6 for Warnock. Why not just put him straight into the PSD?

Seriously Freo have no idea how to trade. They usually give up way too much and now in a mindless attempt to compensate for past crappy trades, they are asking too much. In the end it's going to yield the same result for them that it always does... they lose.

 

[aussierory]

What about this trade for a suitable solution to the problem

Carlton
Out: Pick 6 and 24
In: Warnock and O'keefe

Fremantle
Out: Warnock
In: pick 12

Sydney
Out: O'keefe and 12
In: Pick 6 and 24

Maybe carltons pick 56 to the swans too or dockers pick 53

 

[rotto]

again. if carlton and freo could exchange draft picks next year, the deal would mostly get done.

 

[Bradesmaen]

**** it then. There is no way Freo will get pick 6 for Warnock. Why not just put him straight into the PSD?

Seriously Freo have no idea how to trade. They usually give up way too much and now in a mindless attempt to compensate for past crappy trades, they are asking too much. In the end it's going to yield the same result for them that it always does... they lose.

Do you have ANY idea on what the trade negotiations are? Are you sitting on the table listening to Freo and Carlton talk? No? Then shutup.

 

[PHX]

At least they are doing to publicly this time unlike with the Judd deal.

 

[TOA.]

again. if carlton and freo could exchange draft picks next year, the deal would mostly get done.

I dont know why the AFL prohibit this.

Would have made the Judd deal so much easier aswell.

I cant think of a reason why the AFL does not allow it. It has been mooted for many years now and keeps getting rejected.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

you dont HAVE to give up anything.

if you dont like the price, then you can just walk on and make do with hampson and pick 6, and robbie can go play for melbourne

Of course we can walk away but in case you haven't been paying attention, Carlton have been copping just as much crap for being stubborn on #24, and half the posters think it is fair and half think we are screwing Fremantle.

Let's be clear on this .... there is NOTHING unfair about our offer to Freo. They are entitled to ask for Picks 1,2,3 and 4 in the national draft for Warnock if they want to but that doesn't mean because we won't up our offer that our original offer was unfair.

People talk about ambit claims and that 24 is only an opening offer as though we should have been prepared to sweeten that offer once Freo rejected it. Carlton said from the outset that this was what we were prepared to offer so that everyone knew where they stood and could continue to trade around that offer.

The angst is more likely coming from Warnock and his manager and the AFL wondering what can of worms will be opened from this.

I don't care if we get him or not quite frankly, but we can do away with this ridiculous assumption around the boards that Carlton are being favoured or Carlton are ripping anybody off. In good conscience it is really the only offer we can make. Who gets to decide that Warnock is worth a top 20 pick anyway? Surely it is a matter of instinct. The fact that many opposition supporters who normally wouldn't give the time of day to Carlton, think that 24 is a decent offer, ought to say something.

 

[SurreyBlue]

I want to go to court...flower the mediation crap...it's time!

 

[nurries]

**** it then. There is no way Freo will get pick 6 for Warnock. Why not just put him straight into the PSD?

Seriously Freo have no idea how to trade. They usually give up way too much and now in a mindless attempt to compensate for past crappy trades, they are asking too much. In the end it's going to yield the same result for them that it always does... they lose.

If Carlton are so good at trading then Go get us pick 17 and we will trade.

 

[Lach72]

You should care due to Carlton's 16th ruck ranking

 

[chook2734]

Carlton are the only one's preventing a deal being done. They are refusing to do anything about finding a more suitable trade and they are refusing to walk away from the trade and allow Fremantle and Robbie Warnock to look for another way to get him home.

If they aren't willing to negotiate, the mediator needs to tell them that they have to walk away.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Do you have ANY idea on what the trade negotiations are? Are you sitting on the table listening to Freo and Carlton talk? No? Then shutup.

How do you pick out one claim out of a sea of claims about what will be accepted and what won't? How about the post he responded to from zero, stating that it will be 6 for Warnock and 21 or off to Melbourne he goes? I am assuming that zero is also not sitting on the table.

 

[Bradesmaen]

How do you pick out one claim out of a sea of claims about what will be accepted and what won't? How about the post he responded to from zero, stating that it will be 6 for Warnock and 21 or off to Melbourne he goes? I am assuming that zero is also not sitting on the table.

Meh, it was a general comment to everyone really.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

You should care due to Carlton's 16th ruck ranking

That is temporary. We have first and second round ruckmen developing but not ready to dominate as a number one ruckman yet. Warnock too is not ready to dominate as a number one ruckman yet. You don't just look at rankings and assume those in the position must be crap. They may also just be developing kids.

 

[nurries]

That is temporary. We have first and second round ruckmen developing but not ready to dominate as a number one ruckman yet. Warnock too is not ready to dominate as a number one ruckman yet. You don't just look at rankings and assume those in the position must be crap. They may also just be developing kids.

obviously, the heirachy at your club doesnt agree with your sentiments.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Carlton are the only one's preventing a deal being done. They are refusing to do anything about finding a more suitable trade and they are refusing to walk away from the trade and allow Fremantle and Robbie Warnock to look for another way to get him home.

If they aren't willing to negotiate, the mediator needs to tell them that they have to walk away.

Oh dear. Do you think Carlton are camped out at the Freo table, saying 'Pick 24' over and over?

Carlton have no say in what Freo do with Warnock except to make their offer. Warnock and his manager however have a big say as they can refuse to be traded anywhere else.

Carlton are not refusing to walk away from the trade. They are just standing firm on their offer as they are entitled to do. They will not and should not say, 'forget it, we don't want him anymore.' They want him .... for pick 24. That is the standing offer. Melbourne may have offered more but Freo and Melbourne will have to convince Warnock that Carlton's offer is unfair and maybe he will blame Carlton and give up his preference for clubs ... maybe.

Your statement that Carlton are refusing to find a more suitable trade is laughable. Carlton and many other clubs and supporters feel that is IS a suitable trade. What you are saying is that Carlton should offer more than what many people believe he is worth at this stage of his career.

 

[Lach72]

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,24463182-19742,00.html

MELBOURNE is increasingly confident it can upstage Carlton and snare Fremantle ruckman Robbie Warnock. The Demons have more options to satisfy the Dockers, who will not accept Carlton's offer of pick 24.

"Don't write us off yet. We are right in the hunt." Melbourne football manager Chris Connolly said last night.

One of Melbourne's two picks at the start of the second round, No. 17 and 19, could seal the deal.

The No. 17 priority pick could now produce a handsome reward.

Connolly coached Warnock at Fremantle and rates him highly.

The Demons made a presentation to Warnock in the club's boardroom before the end of the season, hell-bent on recruiting a ready-made replacement for Jeff White. Warnock's brother, Matthew, plays with the Demons.

The Blues, who are also desperate to boost their ruck stocks, is his preferred destination.

It seems they will have to offer a player and pick 24 to satisfy the Dockers.

It is understood relations between the clubs were frosty during trade talks on Monday.

Melbourne also has the first pick in the pre-season draft.

Warnock is out of contract, meaning he could slip through - but only if the Dockers make a statement, as Port Adelaide did with Nick Stevens.

There also has been talk the Demons and Dockers could swap their first draft picks under a guarantee Warnock was sent to the pre-season draft.

 

[Wizard]

How bout this Blues, send Thornton and your 3rd to Hawthorn for pick 16 and then ontrade that to us and we can all move on and be happy.