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Lol, no he wasn't. You guys didn't do shit to develop him.imagine Mac Andrew next to May and Lever. Absolutely stolen from us.
absolute bollocks. not once in your argument did you acknowledge the clear home ground advantage that you get in 50% of your games. whereas when the dees play Essendon, rich, dogs, stkilda, Collingwood, Geelong, Carlton, hawks and north there is little to no advantage. Hell sometimes our home games against the bigger melbourne club are even a disadvantage. If you can't fathom this then I can't help you.Geez what a load of BS.
Totally grasping at straws with that argument.
So because interstate crowds cheer louder that makes up for the ridiculous travel load they endure? It evens out? Baaah haah haah haaar hoo....jeez. Great argument.
How loud do the Suns and GWS crowds cheer? Big traditional Vic clubs often get more supporters to away games than the Suns and GWS do hosting them.
The last Pies v Cats game at rhe MCG was a Pies home game, hardly any Geelong supporters showed up and the crowd was 90% behind the hime team.
Maybe Dees supporters should walk out of the members bar and corporate boxes and make some actual noise between sipping champers and talking down their noses to each other.
yeah, we did. he was in our academy.Lol, no he wasn't. You guys didn't do shit to develop him.
What were you guys doing that wasn't already being done in the development system he was already in for the game he'd played since he was a kid?he was in our academy.
you're overthinking it. he was in our academy. he should have been a dee. that's the end of the story. No different to Ugle-hagan and QuaynorWhat were you guys doing that wasn't already being done in the development system he was already in for the game he'd played since he was a kid?
Answer the question.you're overthinking it.
I wouldn't have a clue. You also wouldn't have a clue that they didn't. But I heard Jason Taylor (Melb recruiting manager) on the radio at the time and they were totally peeved because they believed that they had put plenty of development into Mac from a young age. This was after the decision was made to change the rules. So I take him by his word.Answer the question.
He had played footy since he was 9, had been in rep teams for years and was in elite talent pathways. I don't think checking in with Melbourne in whatever time was left between school and Talent League was what made him AFL quality.I wouldn't have a clue. You also wouldn't have a clue that they didn't.
From a young age? He joined their academy less than 3 years before his draft. If he was in a northern academy, he wouldn't have been eligible. It's a textbook case of what the issue is with the NGAs. Talented kids at the end of the drafting process get tagged as academy for drafting rights.But I heard Jason Taylor (Melb recruiting manager) on the radio at the time and they were totally peeved because they believed that they had put plenty of development into Mac from a young age.
I guess it's how you define 'plenty of development' and 'young age'. If he means 'We worked with a 15 year old already identified and in an elite talent pathway' then yeah, he's correct I gues.That they had put plenty of development into Mac from a young age. This was after the decision was made to change the rules. So I take him by his word.
does that differ to Ugle-hagan though? Honestly, I'm not sure. I'd actually feel better if the dogs puts more work into him so I dont feel like we got jibbed. Same with Quaynor.He had played footy since he was 9, had been in rep teams for years and was in elite talent pathways. I don't think checking in with Melbourne in whatever time was left between school and Talent League was what made him AFL quality.
From a young age? He joined their academy less than 3 years before his draft. If he was in a northern academy, he wouldn't have been eligible. It's a textbook case of what the issue is with the NGAs. Talented kids at the end of the drafting process get tagged as academy for drafting rights.
I guess it's how you define 'plenty of development' and 'young age'. If he means 'We worked with a 15 year old already identified and in an elite talent pathway' then yeah, he's correct I gues.
It doesn't. NGAs are box-ticking scams. Melbourne missed it's bite of the pie, but not because of any genuine effort on Melbourne's part.does that differ to Ugle-hagan though?
What changes do swans expect now?It doesn't. NGAs are box-ticking scams. Melbourne missed it's bite of the pie, but not because of any genuine effort on Melbourne's part.
yeah. but what I'm saying is that Melbourne got shafted more than any other club because despite it being a shoddy system, we had rights for Andrew. He should be a dee. I was okay with losing him for the fairness of the comp but now that they've changed the rules back again, it just highlights the absolute shafting.It doesn't. NGAs are box-ticking scams. Melbourne missed it's bite of the pie, but not because of any genuine effort on Melbourne's part.
I said this the other day on the Gold Coast board.It doesn't. NGAs are box-ticking scams. Melbourne missed it's bite of the pie, but not because of any genuine effort on Melbourne's part.
It was the same with the NSW Rookie program. These clubs could have come into NSW, set up meaningful training and development opportunities in an area and gained access to players for a rookie pick. What'd they do? For the most part, signed a player, maybe had a bit of contact through a liason and waited to see how they went.They basically find which players in their zone are semi decent, born overseas or who had parents born overseas, get them to sign the paperwork that links them to the club and then wait to see if they kick on without doing anything to actually help them get there or contributing to their rise through junior talent pathways.
I'm not even mad about losing some players through those means as I genuinely believe the academy has been so good for the Gold Coast and Queensland / NSW in general for not only introducing a lot of kids to AFL that would otherwise not have played, but keeping them in it.It was the same with the NSW Rookie program. These clubs could have come into NSW, set up meaningful training and development opportunities in an area and gained access to players for a rookie pick. What'd they do? For the most part, signed a player, maybe had a bit of contact through a liason and waited to see how they went.
The Northern academies had five year periods and had to provide documentation of their involvement with the development of the player. GWS lost access to Marshall and Brander, and GC to Weller when their involvement with those players went beyond what could be shown with some of these NGA draftees.
NGA needs a name change to Multicultural Draft Zones or something similar. Nothing to do with developmentIt was the same with the NSW Rookie program. These clubs could have come into NSW, set up meaningful training and development opportunities in an area and gained access to players for a rookie pick. What'd they do? For the most part, signed a player, maybe had a bit of contact through a liason and waited to see how they went.
The Northern academies had five year periods and had to provide documentation of their involvement with the development of the player. GWS lost access to Marshall and Brander, and GC to Weller when their involvement with those players went beyond what could be shown with some of these NGA draftees.
Unapologetic about opening up NGA access for all clubs but seems keen to fix points system at the same time THIS YEAR.
"We have a proposal to reopen (NGA) access, we are also proposing to make the access fairer so it won’t be the same system as last time."
They will have had submissions from all 18 clubs as to what a points curve should look like, so they should be able to fix it.Those mental defectives couldn't tie shoelaces, there is not a fking chance they will fix any point system.
absolute bollocks. not once in your argument did you acknowledge the clear home ground advantage that you get in 50% of your games. whereas when the dees play Essendon, rich, dogs, stkilda, Collingwood, Geelong, Carlton, hawks and north there is little to no advantage. Hell sometimes our home games against the bigger melbourne club are even a disadvantage. If you can't fathom this then I can't help you.
Also, are you suggesting that you don't believe in the noise of affirmation? All good if you don't. I 100% do believe in it.
If the AFL want to “grow the game”, wouldn’t bums on seats be the biggest factor?
Attendance = participation = growth = depth in numbers
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But the point being is that things like cities represented, size of fanbases, different ground access etc. is all just part and parcel of the inherent diversity of various teams in the league, many of which were known as teams became teams.I did acknowledge it. When I stated that it doesnt even come close to offsetting the travel factor being such a massive dissadvantage.
Do the Demons get home crowd advantage when playing teams outside of Melbourne? Yes it does. On top of the lack of travel.
This noise of affirmatuon applies to teams home games elsewhere. Some more than others but it isnt a sole WA team advantage. Its just the poor Vic teams whinged about it the loudest and the Vic media jumped on board enmass to get clicks from one eyed Vic fans like yourself. The whinge of affirmation was very loud out of Victoria.
And as I said. Maybe the Dees toffee nosed supporters need to move out of the members bars sipping chardoney and actually support your team ion match day. How that is another clubs problem?