AFL to take over Sydney

[magic19]

I know! For Sydney to get only 61,000 against a poor drawing team in Fremantle, on the same night as a NRL match drew only 23,000 in Sydney, really shows how much NSW hate AFL. Swans crowds are just a joke. They need to do more for their crowds to build up, then they can match all the NRL teams.

Now all we have to do is sit and wait for the TV audience argument, so predictable.

 

[magic19]

People in new south wales hate AFL!!!!!

Maybe the young kids (under 15) are getting into AFL.

Speak for yourself.

 

[cos789]

Maybe the young kids (under 15) are getting into AFL.

If you go to NSWAFL site you'll see the dramatic improvement in grassroots footy .

 

[ChrisFooty]

I am over 15 and likes AFL and living in NSW.

The thing about me though is i'm an ex pat.

People in general don't like AFL in NSW.......there is a small minority who do like it

 

[real magpies]

I am over 15 and likes AFL and living in NSW.

The thing about me though is i'm an ex pat.

People in general don't like AFL in NSW.......there is a small minority who do like it

It's just a shame the crowds spoil your troll.

 

[cos789]

I am over 15 and likes AFL and living in NSW.

The thing about me though is i'm an ex pat.

So what local footy team are you associated with ?


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[littleduck]

But still slanted .

Maybe a little.. but it was written in the right spirit.

Storm crowds haven't risen , they've recovered a bit .

I agree, but I think the important point about that is that the scope to grow crowds @ Olympic Park is limited.

The Swans don't receive assistance .

Are you being serious?

They didn't even use their salary cap concessions . The AFL say they put money into Australian Football developement in the Northern states . That indirectly benefits those clubs not directly assists those clubs .

So indirectly the Swans receive massive assistance via AFL grassroots investment and elite level marketing & promotion. The Swans dont do it all on their own.. the AFL assists them!

When you say the Swans rate poorly that's in comparison with the whole NRL .

Oh really..?

IN fact Australia wide the Sydney Swans would have the biggest exposure of any club , hence the value of corporate sponsorship to that club .

You're probably right.. !

TO say people only folow the Swans during the good years is to deny that they have been through extended periods of onfield drought already and are now making hay as to speak .

I think the main difference with the past is that finally big gains are being made in the area of grassroots .

I agree, but support does increase drastically compared to heartland clubs when they're winning... you cant deny that!

The bandwagon probably triples or quadruples support for the Swans if they make the Finals! Ditto for the Storm in Melbourne!

 

[littleduck]

People in general don't like AFL in NSW.......there is a small minority who do like it

True, but the important point is that support for AFL in Sydney is growing year by year as a result of AFL continued support and $$$ investment in growing their southern brand of football.

 

[cos789]

So indirectly the Swans receive ...

That's what I wrote .
Why ,oh why do you feel the need to constantly repeat remarks that have just been posted or state the the obvious?

And why , oh wht do you constantly try to suggest that the excellant position the Sydney swans are in is down to some fortuitive luck , bandwagon effect , grassroots funding or other .
And at the same time suggest the Storm are gunna do the same purely by winning over AFL supporters .

The bandwagon effect is a reality everywhere , but thrice ?
So the the Storm crowds are going down to 3k once they start losing are they ?
The Swans have been in the Sydney sporting scene a long time and have got where they are by hard work and persistance . Funding for grassroots Australian Football is a relatively new device and the return on that type of investment is long term . The swans would only see a fraction of that return in bigger crowds at the moment . But I'm sure , later on it will pay significant returns to the Swans . At the moment it's the AFL that's seeing the returns on grassroots investment ,as each developement officer reaches numerous kids who in turn buy football , clothing , merchandise and attend clinics etc .

So LD when was the last time the Swans received assistance ?
I know it's a common perception , especially with RL fans but do you really know the last time they did ?


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[akazie]

He has to repeat things because you are as thick as two planks.

Yeah, Swans to take over Sydney

MORON

 

[cos789]

Swans to take over Sydney

One of your more your thoughtful posts .


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[littleduck]

And why , oh wht do you constantly try to suggest that the excellant position the Sydney swans are in is down to some fortuitive luck ,

The Swans were "very lucky" Super League came along. In the 3 or 4 years prior to SL the Swans were a rabble attracting sub-10k crowds on average to the SCG. But I agree its not "luck" that the Swans & AFL have since capitalised on the RL civil war and continue to grow their brand in Sydney.

bandwagon effect ,

All clubs have bandwagoners to varying degrees... heartland teams from both codes have bums on seats bandwagoners but not general interest bandwagoners... whereas non-heartland teams from both codes have both bums on seats bandwagoners and general interest bandwagoners. do you agree?

grassroots funding or other .

Fair point..

And at the same time suggest the Storm are gunna do the same purely by winning over AFL supporters .

I've never suggested the Storm are on track to grow their brand in a similar fashion to the Swans in Sydney, but undeniably they continue to grow their brand nonetheless.

The bandwagon effect is a reality everywhere , but thrice ?
So the the Storm crowds are going down to 3k once they start losing are they ?
The Swans have been in the Sydney sporting scene a long time and have got where they are by hard work and persistance . Funding for grassroots Australian Football is a relatively new device and the return on that type of investment is long term . The swans would only see a fraction of that return in bigger crowds at the moment . But I'm sure , later on it will pay significant returns to the Swans . At the moment it's the AFL that's seeing the returns on grassroots investment ,as each developement officer reaches numerous kids who in turn buy football , clothing , merchandise and attend clinics etc .

Fair point.

So LD when was the last time the Swans received assistance ?
I know it's a common perception , especially with RL fans but do you really know the last time they did ?

Directly... a decade or so ago maybe?
Indirectly... everyday! (eg. favourable draw and promotion)

 

[*Danni*]

How long ago was the 'super league' debacle? It's too far gone to be called 'luck' and the big IF the club had been able to capitalise on it should be called "good business decisions". Just because RL got themselves into a hole doesn't automaticlally mean a different code was going to benefit from it. AFL still had to make decisions and have a strategy to gain from it (if they did in Sydney), it wasn't just going to fall into their lap and grow of it's own accord.

And what's this favourable draw and promotion mumbo jumbo? Examples please, preferrably relating back to your superleage assertation.

 

[real magpies]

This article is probably more suited to this thread.

'There's been a massive decline in interest this year with crowds and ratings slumping. The NRL has to be proactive for the future and speak to the people as to why they've walked away from Rugby League and why other codes are getting better crowds in Sydney than the NRL Finals.'

'not many people in Sydney seriously care about Sunday's game with the focus of the television and newspapers being on another sport this week.'

'Hopefully the first non-NSW Grand Final will change the Sydney-centric attitudes of the NRL when in effect the only Grand Final Sydney cares about this week isn't the NRL one and yet it's the market the NRL is only working towards, which is why Rugby League is now the No.4 Football code in Australia.'

So he's saying it's: Aussie Rules > Soccer > Rugby Union > Rugby League.
I suppose he's right, although I'd prefer RL over Soccer & Union.

http://www.rleague.com/db/article.php?id=26647

 

[Beckers]

This article is probably more suited to this thread.

...Just pour a little more petrol on the NRL fire Like your style real magpies

 

[ringleader]

This article is probably more suited to this thread.

'There's been a massive decline in interest this year with crowds and ratings slumping. The NRL has to be proactive for the future and speak to the people as to why they've walked away from Rugby League and why other codes are getting better crowds in Sydney than the NRL Finals.'

'not many people in Sydney seriously care about Sunday's game with the focus of the television and newspapers being on another sport this week.'

'Hopefully the first non-NSW Grand Final will change the Sydney-centric attitudes of the NRL when in effect the only Grand Final Sydney cares about this week isn't the NRL one and yet it's the market the NRL is only working towards, which is why Rugby League is now the No.4 Football code in Australia.'

So he's saying it's: Aussie Rules > Soccer > Rugby Union > Rugby League.
I suppose he's right, although I'd prefer RL over Soccer & Union.

http://www.rleague.com/db/article.php?id=26647

And the so called article was written by a complete nobody. Ratings are up and crowds are the second best on average ever. FACT.

 

[cos789]

The Swans were "very lucky" Super League came along.

If you say that , then you have to say a significant number of RL people started watching the Sydney Swans .
I don't think so .

All clubs have bandwagoners to varying degrees...

All Australian Football clubs attract neutral supporters . These can be short term blockbuster atractees or long term AFL starved fans .These types probably are more affected by on field performance .

Directly... a decade or so ago maybe?

So why bring it up ?

Indirectly... everyday! (eg. favourable draw and promotion)

Haven't heard of the favourable draw assertion before .
So what sort of AFL promotion are we looking at in Sydney ?
I did notice that in Sydney that Swans are being used a lot indirectly as a Sydney icon . As in anti-syphoning adds .. , placing sporting bets etc .

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[littleduck]

How long ago was the 'super league' debacle? It's too far gone to be called 'luck' and the big IF the club had been able to capitalise on it should be called "good business decisions". Just because RL got themselves into a hole doesn't automaticlally mean a different code was going to benefit from it. AFL still had to make decisions and have a strategy to gain from it (if they did in Sydney), it wasn't just going to fall into their lap and grow of it's own accord.

Exactly what I referred to in my previous post!

And what's this favourable draw and promotion mumbo jumbo? Examples please, preferrably relating back to your superleage assertation.

Ok on 2nd thoughts, the favourable draw thing might be flawed... but the reality is the the concept of northern expansion and the future growth possibilities in those so-called "northern states" is a major strategic objective of the AFL and therefore its only logical that the AFL do everything within its power to ensure they get some preferential treatment, be that some salary cap allowances or additional expenditure on advertising & promotion in that particular state compared to other states...etc

ps. and if your comeback is well they dont, well my comeback to that will be well they should!

 

[littleduck]

This article is probably more suited to this thread.

'There's been a massive decline in interest this year with crowds and ratings slumping. The NRL has to be proactive for the future and speak to the people as to why they've walked away from Rugby League and why other codes are getting better crowds in Sydney than the NRL Finals.'

'not many people in Sydney seriously care about Sunday's game with the focus of the television and newspapers being on another sport this week.'

'Hopefully the first non-NSW Grand Final will change the Sydney-centric attitudes of the NRL when in effect the only Grand Final Sydney cares about this week isn't the NRL one and yet it's the market the NRL is only working towards, which is why Rugby League is now the No.4 Football code in Australia.'

So he's saying it's: Aussie Rules > Soccer > Rugby Union > Rugby League.
I suppose he's right, although I'd prefer RL over Soccer & Union.

http://www.rleague.com/db/article.php?id=26647

I dont understand a single sentence in that post!

 

[cantos_tevez]

I only read the first page of this post, so someone might have already mentioned it, but IMO rugby is way too strong to be taken over in nsw or queensland. There is about as much chance of the swans making afl the no. 1 football code in sydney as there is of the storm making rugby league the no. 1 football code in melbourne. However, i'm not saying that i wouldn't love an australia where footy was number one everywhere and there was no soccer or rugby. wat a competition that would be.

 

[LebaneseForces]

I only read the first page of this post, so someone might have already mentioned it, but IMO rugby is way too strong to be taken over in nsw or queensland. There is about as much chance of the swans making afl the no. 1 football code in sydney as there is of the storm making rugby league the no. 1 football code in melbourne. However, i'm not saying that i wouldn't love an australia where footy was number one everywhere and there was no soccer or rugby. wat a competition that would be.

LOL Keep dreaming mate! Rugby League & Soccer are here to stay
Rugby League The Greatest Game Of All
Soccer - The World Game!
AFL - mmmmmmmmmmmm Victoria, S.A, W.A & Tassies sport

 

[real magpies]

crowds are the second best on average ever. FACT.

That's a worry.

 

[ringleader]

That's a worry.

I predict next year will break the record set in 2005

http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/summary.html

 

[GoldenSky]

So after the other 'NRL' thread was locked today, all the trolls have moved here.

I think time for this to be locked too.

 

[ARES]

LOL Keep dreaming mate! Rugby League & Soccer are here to stay
Rugby League The Greatest Game Of All
Soccer - The World Game!
AFL - mmmmmmmmmmmm Victoria, S.A, W.A & Tassies sport

Soccer is here to stay, but RL,

Rugby League DUMBEST GAME OF ALL