Recruiting AFL Trade & Free Agency IX

[Lore]

Spoiler: 2021 Key Dates

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Monday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW&ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday November 3 (9am) – Tuesday November 9 (5pm)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10 (2pm)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Thursday November 11 (9am) – Monday November 15 (5pm)

Draft Nominations Due
Wednesday November 17 (3pm)

Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period
Thursday November 25 (10pm) - Thursday November 25 (11pm)

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 25 (10pm) - Thursday November 25 (11pm)

Pre-Selected Rookie Nominations Due (Includes Academy, Father/Son)
Friday November 26 (12pm) - Friday November 26 (12.30pm)

Preseason Draft
Friday November 26 (3pm)

Pre-Selected Rookie Notification
Friday November 26 (3.15pm)

Rookie Draft
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29 (4pm)

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Current Contract Status
2021 Draft Watch
Father/Son and NGA
Adrian Dodoro

 

[Zach Package]

We’d surely be investigating Shiels if ‘everyone over 26 is on the table’?

 

[Beerfish]

I've deleted a couple of few posts. Play the ball not the man please.

 

[JayJ20]

Serious question:

Who on Hawthorn's list would you give up a first rounder for if they were willing to trade anyone?

- Grainger-Barass

And maybe

- Tom Mitchell
- James Sicily

That's it. ONE player on a playing list of 40 or more players. One.

They ******* suck. Their list is shithouse.

And it's not a 'I hate Hawthorn' thing either.

Take Carlton (whom I despise). Who would you give up a first for?

- Weitering
- McKay
- Walsh

******* run at me boncer34

DGB. Maybe Day and Sicily (if he returns to his pre-injury form). That's it.

A desperate contender might offer a first for Mitchell, but majority of the clubs wouldn't.

It's funny because it became clear they needed to rebuild last year. If they did it last off-season, then they'd have gotten a first for Mitchell, O'Meara, Gunston and possibly Wingard, Bruest and Sicily.

The only thing they're getting now is a destruction of their culture.

 

[Old Campaigner]

We’d surely be investigating Shiels if ‘everyone over 26 is on the table’?

What for? Bootstudder? Property steward?

 

[faible]

So Knevitt, Perkins and Rantall aren't good enough for you In VFL onball?

No. One midfielder added isn't fixing the woeful VFL midfield we field each week, which is usually a good guide to the level of midfield depth available to the AFL side.

Which is exactly what everyone was saying to you. Which you've now changed your tune on suddenly.

Horne Francis, N.Daicos and F.Callaghan enough?

Or is Callaghan a wingman

My response to this bit got deleted. Suffice to say it expressed my thoughts on the quality of your posting.

 

[boncer34]

Someone do an 18 team trade.

 

[Keystone agony]

No. One midfielder added isn't fixing the woeful VFL midfield we field each week, which is usually a good guide to the level of midfield depth available to the AFL side.

Which is exactly what everyone was saying to you. Which you've now changed your tune on suddenly.



My response to this bit got deleted. Suffice to say it expressed my thoughts on the quality of your posting.

I'm trying to get a gauge on what satisfies you with who's playing in our VFL midfield

Erazmus, Perkins and Rantall aren't enough for example

Would Erazmus, Perkins and Caldwell be enough?

Is it that we don't have anyone to develop in the VFL?

 

[boncer34]

Strategy - Talk about the makeup of our list (and overall list management)

Unfortunately, I think the Dunkley ship has sailed. Although if you use him as an index point, for where he sits in our midfield vs where he sits with the Bulldogs (or Melbourne) gives an indication of where we need to focus our improvement. He is second rotation for the Bulldogs so 4+ above...

www.bigfooty.com

How's about we talk VFL depth somewhere else?

 

[eth-dog]

Strategy - Talk about the makeup of our list (and overall list management)

Unfortunately, I think the Dunkley ship has sailed. Although if you use him as an index point, for where he sits in our midfield vs where he sits with the Bulldogs (or Melbourne) gives an indication of where we need to focus our improvement. He is second rotation for the Bulldogs so 4+ above...

www.bigfooty.com

How's about we talk VFL depth somewhere else?

Posting in the relevant thread for the discussion? Why would we do that?

 

[Zach Package]

What for? Bootstudder? Property steward?

As the best version of the ‘diligent, two way running tackle machine capable of doing a tagging job if required’ available now that we’ve let the best version go to our biggest rivals unfettered.

 

[faible]

Is it that we don't have anyone to develop in the VFL?

Well yes.

That's exactly the point isn't it? We have no developing midfielders in the VFL right now.

We need more than one to fix that. A point you've come around to given you're now naming Rantall, despite the rest of your post being low quality.

 

[boncer34]

Posting in the relevant thread for the discussion? Why would we do that?

You're not tier 1.

 

[Keystone agony]

Well yes.

That's exactly the point isn't it? We have no developing midfielders in the VFL right now.

We need more than one to fix that. A point you've come around to given you're now naming Rantall, despite the rest of your post being low quality.

Rantall is replacing D.Clarke I have Clarke on the midfield list always have.

So Erazmus and Perkins playing midfield isn't enough developing types in the middle?

 

[faible]

Rantall is replacing D.Clarke I have Clarke on the midfield list always have.

So Erazmus and Perkins playing midfield isn't enough developing types in the middle?

We know Clarke isn't an AFL standard midfielder.

Your entire depth is 2 x potential AFL standard midfielders, 1 of whom played almost the entirety of 2021 in the AFL side.

Yeah, it's a bit light-on.

 

[eth-dog]

We know Clarke isn't an AFL standard midfielder.

Your entire depth is 2 x potential AFL standard midfielders, 1 of whom played almost the entirety of 2021 in the AFL side.

Yeah, it's a bit light-on.

As a forward

 

[Keystone agony]

I'll change tune

We should be targeting pick 4 (6) from Crows for Callaghan if the news is right GWS and GC really like Mac Andrew and Ben Hobbs respectively

Think I said that previously

Put him in the VFL along with Perkins so we can finally, finally be considered developing mids in the VFL

 

[JayJ20]

I'll change tune

We should be targeting pick 4 (6) from Crows for Callaghan if the news is right GWS and GC like Mac Andrew and Ben Hobbs respectively

Think I said that previously

Put him in the VFL along with Perkins so we can finally, finally be considered developing mids in the VFL

Perkins is going to be playing as a forward next year. I'd rather him focus on adjusting to the speed of AFL and developing his forward craft. I wouldn't call him a developing mid yet because we don't know if midfield is his best position. He has the potential to be a mid, but even if he plays as a mid, he'll likely split his time as a forward and mid rather than becoming a full time inside mid.

So we really don't have any developing mids at the moment. The last pure inside mid we drafted was D Clarke back in 2016. Given we don't play him as a mid, we can't say he is a developing mid.

Hopefully we rectify that in this year's draft/trade period.

 

[Keystone agony]

Perkins is going to be playing as a forward next year. I'd rather him focus on adjusting to the speed of AFL and developing his forward craft. I wouldn't call him a developing mid yet because we don't know if midfield is his best position. He has the potential to be a mid, but even if he plays as a mid, he'll likely split his time as a forward and mid rather than becoming a full time inside mid.

So we really don't have any developing mids at the moment. The last pure inside mid we drafted was D Clarke back in 2016. Given we don't play him as a mid, we can't say he is a developing mid.

Most clubs have at least two or three developing inside mids playing in the seconds on their list. We have none considering all of our mids are playing at AFL level. Hopefully we rectify that in this year's draft.

I can change it to Caldwell if you like

Both are too good for VFL midfield football but 5-6 weeks in their next year for Perkins would be good for his development during the year

Caldwell and Goater developing as top 13 picks is fine along with Rantall who replaces D.Clarke

My whole point is we lack quality small/medium forwards, with those they push guys like Perkins out of the best side into the 'developing VFL mid role'

This all started because of the premise of me preferring our midfield group over collingwoods. I showed that it wins on bottom end quality, top end quality, age bracket and also is basically the same depth

If Perkins or Caldwell played 20 games in the VFL midfield with a first round mid coming in, would they think differently? I'd say so

 

[Milanista28]

JOM makes a lot of sense for Port
Titch makes sense for Richmond as well.

 

[JayJ20]

I can change it to Caldwell if you like

Both are too good for VFL midfield football but 5-6 weeks in their next year for Perkins would be good for his development during the year

Caldwell and Goater developing as top 13 picks is fine along with Rantall who replaces D.Clarke

My whole point is we lack quality small/medium forwards, with those they push guys like Perkins out of the best side into the 'developing VFL mid role'

This all started because of the premise of me preferring our midfield group over collingwoods. I showed that it wins on bottom end quality, top end quality, age bracket and also is basically the same depth

If Perkins or Caldwell played 20 games in the VFL midfield with a first round mid coming in, would they think differently? I'd say so

I don't believe a small forward pushes Perkins out of the side though. I'd say it pushes guys like Guelfi and Waterman out of the side.
I also don't believe we need a medium forward because that's exactly what Perkins is at the moment.

I wouldn't have Caldwell as a developing mid because he's already playing as a mid at AFL level. I'd say only Merrett and Parish are guaranteed more midfield time than Caldwell is.

If I was the list manager, I'd have Goater and another inside mid developing in the VFL, then pick up a small forward.

 

[Keystone agony]

I don't believe a small forward pushes Perkins out of the side though. I'd say it pushes guys like Guelfi and Waterman out of the side.
I also don't believe we need a medium forward because that's exactly what Perkins is at the moment.

I wouldn't have Caldwell as a developing mid because he's already playing as a mid at AFL level. I'd say only Merrett and Parish are guaranteed more midfield time than Caldwell is.

If I was the list manager, I'd have Goater and another inside mid developing in the VFL, then pick up a small forward.

Yeh small/mediums fwds

My best 22

J.Kelly - J.Stewart - Laverde
Heppell - Ridley - Hind (Redman)
Langford - Shiel - Z.Merrett (N.Cox)
Snelling - Francis - Perkins
Tippa - P.Wright - Harry Jones (Caldwell)
Draper - Parish - Stringer (Mcgrath)

So I don't have Waterman or Guelfi near the best side

Say if we got Rachelle/Stengle type than they'd replace Perkins looking at that best side

Meaning Perkins, Goater and D.Clarke are the VFL starting midfield with Guelfi and Durham on wings

2 top 13 picks starting in the square at VFL, doubt many sides have that?

Than if any of Shiel, Parish, Stringer, McGrath get injured. Z.Merrett goes inside or Caldwell goes intonthe middle and we pick a Durham to replace zerrett on the wing or Perkins comes in forward or wing to allow the Caldwell/Zerrett move inside

That's me, we all have different opinions, we're allowed to discuss them

 

[Mikevk123]

i'd take Wingard and Gunston for a future 3rd and 51

56 for Gunston don’t be to generous

 

[Mikevk123]

I'd take him. But he'd be starting as our 5th or 6th midfielder.

But there is no way IN HELL I'd be paying a first rounder for him - in hindsight we dodged a bullet there when he chose the Hawks.

Weren’t we gonna walk him to the pre season draft though

 

[Schnitzengruben]

I kind of want James Sicily

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James Sicily

Age

30

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

12.7

5star

HB

5.7

4star

M

6.3

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

365.0

5star

D

19.4

4star

K

14.3

5star

HB

5.1

3star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.0

2star

MG

437.4

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

173.8

3star

tbh.

 

[JT_the_Man]

I kind of want James Sicily tbh.

Does he really offer much that our backline doesn’t already have? Not a knock on him at all as I like him as a player, but not sure it’s worth it given the currency it would take.