Recruiting AFL Trade & Free Agency IX

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AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Monday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW&ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday November 3 (9am) – Tuesday November 9 (5pm)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10 (2pm)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Thursday November 11 (9am) – Monday November 15 (5pm)

Draft Nominations Due
Wednesday November 17 (3pm)

Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period
Thursday November 25 (10pm) - Thursday November 25 (11pm)

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 25 (10pm) - Thursday November 25 (11pm)

Pre-Selected Rookie Nominations Due (Includes Academy, Father/Son)
Friday November 26 (12pm) - Friday November 26 (12.30pm)

Preseason Draft
Friday November 26 (3pm)

Pre-Selected Rookie Notification
Friday November 26 (3.15pm)

Rookie Draft
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29 (4pm)

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)
Current Contract Status
2021 Draft Watch
Father/Son and NGA
Adrian Dodoro

 
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JayJ20 said:
If I was the list manager, I'd have Goater and another inside mid developing in the VFL, then pick up a small forward.
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Think this would be what we're after with ideally us trading up to get that extra midfielder as well.

Whilst I wouldn't necessarily say Perkins gets pushed out of the side my guess is that he'd spend a bit of time in the VFL to develop more as a mid
 
JT_the_Man said:
Does he really offer much that our backline doesn’t already have? Not a knock on him at all as I like him as a player, but not sure it’s worth it given the currency it would take.
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I see him as an upgraded version of Cutler, and he's a better defender. Do we need him though? Probably not. I still really rate him though and love his mongrel.
 
Schnitzengruben said:
I kind of want James Sicily tbh.
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Not for a first-rounder, his recent injury devalues him. Plus, he's shown some glimpses of his potential but never a full seasons worth. If they had him up for trade and we were really keen (rather then taking the pick to the draft) then a second rounder I'd be happy to part with for him. I reckon he could play that pressure forward type with periods in the middle (similar to Stringer). My only case against it is that given we don't commit to Perkins being a fulltime midfielder, then Perkins plays more forward next year with Snelling too and they're both best 22. Sicily coming in would probably push either or even both of those guys out the team.

If he didn't cost much, sure take a look but I reckon we pass on the Hawthorn fire sale and just stick to moving up the draft board more!
 

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Hak94 said:
Not for a first-rounder, his recent injury devalues him. Plus, he's shown some glimpses of his potential but never a full seasons worth. If they had him up for trade and we were really keen (rather then taking the pick to the draft) then a second rounder I'd be happy to part with for him. I reckon he could play that pressure forward type with periods in the middle (similar to Stringer). My only case against it is that given we don't commit to Perkins being a fulltime midfielder, then Perkins plays more forward next year with Snelling too ans they're both best 22. Sicily coming in would probably push either or even both of those guys out the team.

If he didn't cost much, sure take a look but I reckon we pass on the Hawthorn fire sale and just stick to moving up the draft board more!
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He made the AA squad in 2019, so not sure about the claims against his consistency.

His injury devalues him yes but I'd assume that would be baked into the asking price. I'm not saying I'd do it, I'd rather us draft with 11. But at the same time, I'd at least want to hear the offer.

Don't see him playing as a pressure forward or a midfielder. He's a defender/distributer and likely will always be.

Plus I frankly don't understand the logic behind not wanting to get best 22 players because it will push one of our existing best 22 players out. Isn't how that teams get better - putting more pressure on the best 22 for spots? You want to be playing seniors? You need to push yourself.
 
Schnitzengruben said:
Plus I frankly don't understand the logic behind not wanting to get best 22 players because it will push one of our existing best 22 players out. Isn't how that teams get better - putting more pressure on the best 22 for spots? You want to be playing seniors? You need to push yourself.
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He definitely makes our team better but we have other areas that need addressing and for the cost to get him you'd like to think that we can improve our team more with those picks (and salary to a lesser extent)
 
owen87 said:
Goater hasn't played midfield at U18 level from the write-ups I've read, so he's similar to Perkins in that he'd be drafted thinking he could convert to the midfield.

Parish was a clear U18 midfielder, Clarke was a clear U18 midfielder.

Where's our Jack Graham type? Where's our Jye Caldwell that's forced out of the AFL side because we're so flush with midfield options?

We absolutely lack genuine depth through the middle of the ground.
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October power rankings for Draft Central explicitly describe Goater as a midfielder who has played an inside role and on a wing.
 
Keystone agony said:
Yeh small/mediums fwds

My best 22

J.Kelly - J.Stewart - Laverde
Heppell - Ridley - Hind (Redman)
Langford - Shiel - Z.Merrett (N.Cox)
Snelling - Francis - Perkins
Tippa - P.Wright - Harry Jones (Caldwell)
Draper - Parish - Stringer (Mcgrath)

So I don't have Waterman or Guelfi near the best side

Say if we got Rachelle/Stengle type than they'd replace Perkins looking at that best side

Meaning Perkins, Goater and D.Clarke are the VFL starting midfield with Guelfi and Durham on wings

2 top 13 picks starting in the square at VFL, doubt many sides have that?

Than if any of Shiel, Parish, Stringer, McGrath get injured. Z.Merrett goes inside or Caldwell goes intonthe middle and we pick a Durham to replace zerrett on the wing or Perkins comes in forward or wing to allow the Caldwell/Zerrett move inside

That's me, we all have different opinions, we're allowed to discuss them
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Stengle will but Rachelle won't play before Perkins. I get what you're saying if you're talking best 22 and no injuries, but that's just not reality.

That's why I'd prefer an extra midfielder to develop alongside a Goater type so that we can cover up to 3 injuries in the midfield/forwardline in 2-3 years time without an issue.
I believe our list lacks inside mids with Caldwell and Parish the only true inside mids. That's why I prefer another two developing inside mids.
 
Are we able to redraft Mitch Hibberd? He got jibbed being delisted. I feel as though, were he here under Rutten only, he seems like the kind of player we'd have been happy to keep and develop. Good solid depth.

Edit: *redraft / resign. I don't know the lingo.
 
ghostdog said:
Are we able to redraft Mitch Hibberd? He got jibbed being delisted. I feel as though, were he here under Rutten only, he seems like the kind of player we'd have been happy to keep and develop. Good solid depth.
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We can but we won't.
 

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owen87 said:
We have little-to-no genuine developing midfield depth, especially players likely to be strong clearance players.

Perkins is a flanker that might convert in to a midfielder, probably not a clearance machine, more likely a damaging inside-outside type.

Cox is a 199cm skinny running machine. They don't tend to end up as clearance bulls, he'd also have to break the mould for genuine midfielders given he's close to 2" taller than Cripps and Bontempelli who are already tall for midfielders.
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Nobody really knows with Perkins and Cox as they are so young but I reckon Perkins especially is likely to become a quality midfielder. He's already got a strong body for his age and the ability to stand up in tackles and get off clean disposals. Plus by all accounts his endurance is actually pretty good which is often something that holds up players from converting from playing on the flanks to the midfield.

I agree that Cox is less likely to be an inside clearance bull - his frame just doesn't suggest he'll become that type until he undergoes a massive transformation in years to come.

Also whilst we may not have lots of emerging midfield depth we also don't have pending retirements from our existing midfield which is a key factor.
 
ghostdog said:
Are we able to redraft Mitch Hibberd? He got jibbed being delisted. I feel as though, were he here under Rutten only, he seems like the kind of player we'd have been happy to keep and develop. Good solid depth.

Edit: *redraft / resign. I don't know the lingo.
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How? Rutten got a close enough look at him last year, and was most likely involved in the decision to delist him.
 
owen87 said:
Goater hasn't played midfield at U18 level from the write-ups I've read, so he's similar to Perkins in that he'd be drafted thinking he could convert to the midfield.

Parish was a clear U18 midfielder, Clarke was a clear U18 midfielder.

Where's our Jack Graham type? Where's our Jye Caldwell that's forced out of the AFL side because we're so flush with midfield options?

We absolutely lack genuine depth through the middle of the ground.
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This is rubbish
goater played predominantly midfield then afl clubs requested to see him at half back
he was in the midfield for vic metro
 
owen87 said:
Goater hasn't played midfield at U18 level from the write-ups I've read, so he's similar to Perkins in that he'd be drafted thinking he could convert to the midfield.
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You obviously missed my write up on him from round 1 this year 😂

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#25 Josh Goater
Goater cemented himself as a prospect to watch this year and could very well be the highest taken in this year’s draft from this game, with his midfield ability not unlike recent top 10 draftee Archie Perkins. Goater was smooth in the midfield, showing great movement out of traffic and his breakaway speed was hard to stop along with his 190cm frame at stoppages. Although not a massive game in terms of production, which was also impacted by some time on the bench with a calf complaint, he went forward in the last quarter and showcased his impressive leap with a huge attempted mark inside 50. He didn’t stick it but proved he could be a real handful drifting forward this year. Goater finished the game with 22 disposals and four tackles in an eye-catching display.
 
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