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[Nuggs Bunny]

Why do you think only Merrett or McGrath can be our next captain Lore? Genuinely curious as to why any other alternative is funny.

 

[ant555]

Shiel was awful against the Cats. Perhaps he was trying to put blocks on, but he was running away from the ball Kyle Langford to the bench style. McGarth was the guy they had to bring in to attempt the defensive pressure. Even if Shiel's intention was to put on the blocks to follow the plan, common sense would dictate you attack the footy when it's in your area.

And his kicking is bush league.

So it is all his fault then. We are shit because Shiel is shit. Only problem was he was not out their in the first half.

 

[yaco55]

The player you put up for a trade is McGrath - Has not progressed in the technical side of his game and I see little room for improvement.

 

[Lore]

Why do you think only Merrett or McGrath can be our next captain Lore? Genuinely curious as to why any other alternative is funny.

Our leadership groups from the last few years include:

David Myers (retired)
David Zaharakis (retired)
Brendon Goddard (retired)
Mark Baguley (retired)
Michael Hurley (about to retire)
Dyson Heppell (about to retire)
Orazio Fantasia (traded)
Joe Daniher (traded)
Zach Merrett
Andy McGrath
Devon Smith
Dylan Shiel


It's such an overwhelmingly strong group I just...

We literally have a bare cupboard for leadership.

Kyle Langford for captain!

 

[Burzum]

The player you put up for a trade is McGrath - Has not progressed in the technical side of his game and I see little room for improvement.

Club has never had the balls to pursue that kind of trade.

 

[Yoda_]

Club has never had the balls to pursue that kind of trade.

Or Shiel

 

[yodellinhank]

So it is all his fault then. We are shit because Shiel is shit. Only problem was he was not out their in the first half.

Didn't see today's game, just talking about Rd 1 and the point maybe Shiel got disheartened from that. Although the bulldogs best quarter does align with Shiel's entry into the match there could be something in that...

 

[ant555]

Didn't see today's game, just talking about Rd 1 and the point maybe Shiel got disheartened from that. Although the bulldogs best quarter does align with Shiel's entry into the match there could be something in that...

Nice reach. Have not seen the game but still making a statement.
The Geelong game started with Shiel doing the blocking and taking more bench time and forward time . That is a fact. He has been average but he is just one of the passengers on the average bus and anyone who expected him to come in and be the man that was going to win us an extra 3 or 4 games off his own bat obviously had not seen him play before he got to us.
I would trade him now as I do not think he wants to be here and it is starting to show but it would only be one move. We can not have another certain protected species running around chasing the footy and having limited actual impact on the game either.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Our leadership groups from the last few years include:

David Myers (retired)
David Zaharakis (retired)
Brendon Goddard (retired)
Mark Baguley (retired)
Michael Hurley (about to retire)
Dyson Heppell (about to retire)
Orazio Fantasia (traded)
Joe Daniher (traded)
Zach Merrett
Andy McGrath
Devon Smith
Dylan Shiel


It's such an overwhelmingly strong group I just...

We literally have a bare cupboard for leadership.

Kyle Langford for captain!

We have nobody else, I get it. But when a lot of the issues we have seem to have some sort of link to the current leadership on field I'm just really not that attached to keeping them at the club. Whether anybody leaves or not I don't see Merrett as the captain long term and I suggest McGrath has a lot of improvement in defensive game before he'd be the ideal captain either. I feel whoever takes over from Heppell is just going to be filing in the gap between now and whoever really makes their mark on the playing group over the next couple of years while we rebuild.

 

[yodellinhank]

Nice reach. Have not seen the game but still making a statement.
The Geelong game started with Shiel doing the blocking and taking more bench time and forward time . That is a fact. He has been average but he is just one of the passengers on the average bus and anyone who expected him to come in and be the man that was going to win us an extra 3 or 4 games off his own bat obviously had not seen him play before he got to us.
I would trade him now as I do not think he wants to be here and it is starting to show but it would only be one move. We can not have another certain protected species running around chasing the footy and having limited actual impact on the game either.

The Geelong game started with Essendon midfielders running away from the footy allowing Geelong unfettered access. Fact. Even if Shiel was "putting the blocks on" as you keep pointing out, it's clear he was putting the blocks on the wrong opponent. It was a total cluster****.

 

[Vindicater]

Retire: Hurley and Heppell
Delist: Phillips, Ham and Cutler
Trade: Francis to Port Adelaide for #51

Sign Matthew Kennedy as a UFA.
Draft Elijah Tsatas, Two Daveys Brothers and the best small defender/forwards available.

 

[Old Campaigner]

I do wonder if it's worth trading out Shiel and Parish/McGrath to get some high end picks this year.

It seems like Shiel doesn't really want to be out there, and it looks increasingly like our current group of midfielders don't have the attitude to get the job done.

 

[bennyg12]

Find a pressure forward

 

[Mikevk123]

We are in year two of a possible five year rebuild imo. I wouldn’t be trading either of those three players.

We need to start being smarter with trading in picks especially on draft night.

 

[calyam]

We should blow it all up. If we are going to be shit - and we are - then we should be really shit. Historically shit.

The treadmill rebuilds that we do where we peak at 8th and then start again is a waste of everyone's time.

Trade Merrett and Parish and Shiel and McGrath, among others, accumulate a horde of draft picks and take on shitty contracts from other teams (tied of course to additional picks).

The only guys born pre-2000 who should be off the table are Ridley, Draper and Wright.

Then we need the coaching and recruitment staff to coordinate on a strategy and recruit players who fit that strategy.

 

[andleanback]

praise the lord we didn’t trade our f1 last year . We’ve avoided a huge disaster.

 

[Nifft]

We are in year two of a possible five year rebuild imo. I wouldn’t be trading either of those three players.

We need to start being smarter with trading in picks especially on draft night.

I'm not so sure the rebuild has properly started yet, we may have to go further backwards before going forwards.

 

[ant555]

The Geelong game started with Essendon midfielders running away from the footy allowing Geelong unfettered access. Fact. Even if Shiel was "putting the blocks on" as you keep pointing out, it's clear he was putting the blocks on the wrong opponent. It was a total clusterfu**.

Not Shiels fault Parish and Merrett fumbled several chances to win a clearance. First bounce of the game. Clear hit out . Good block . Parish fumbles and runs over the footy.
I am not saying Shiel is not without fault but at times he has actually attempted to do more team stuff than his midfield cohort’s.
He is on decent coin so he should show up every week but he was also sold a pup as far as him coming to an up and coming side that was going to improve its defence and how tight the playing list was.
Around 25 or so games in North bash him all night . He gets zero protection from anyone. No one makes a physical stand and he gets suspended fro a retaliatory incident.
Pretty sure that I when he stop caring as none of the leaders did.

 

[faible]

I'm not so sure the rebuild has properly started yet, we may have to go further backwards before going forwards.

I'd say it's begun, but the results in 2021 meant people got ahead of themselves where they thought we were at.

I've said I believe we're a mid-table side, and the draw we've had thus far has been pretty brutal given we got a fresh Geelong, a few genuine Top-4 sides in Brisbane and Melbourne, Fremantle looking like they could also finish Top-4.

Bulldogs have never been a good match-up for us, and looked much improved after a few down weeks.

Collingwood the one we probably should have beaten if not for our poor accuracy and their exceptional accuracy.

Both Dogs and Collingwood the scoring shots would suggest the margin isn't representative of the opportunities we generated.

Adelaide aren't a total shitshow either, they're another mid-table side.

I think it's a 3-5 year timeline before we start really taking big steps forward as the 2020 cohort are hitting their prime.

I still think we'll finish mid-table if the players don't drop their heads, we've got a brutal start to the season but a lot more winnable games late. It's unfortunate we haven't had the luck of playing West Coast or Port Adelaide while they're a shitshow.

 

[Nifft]

I'd say it's begun, but the results in 2021 meant people got ahead of themselves where they thought we were at.

I've said I believe we're a mid-table side, and the draw we've had thus far has been pretty brutal given we got a fresh Geelong, a few genuine Top-4 sides in Brisbane and Melbourne, Fremantle looking like they could also finish Top-4.

Bulldogs have never been a good match-up for us, and looked much improved after a few down weeks.

Collingwood the one we probably should have beaten if not for our poor accuracy and their exceptional accuracy.

Both Dogs and Collingwood the scoring shots would suggest the margin isn't representative of the opportunities we generated.

Adelaide aren't a total shitshow either, they're another mid-table side.

I think it's a 3-5 year timeline before we start really taking big steps forward as the 2020 cohort are hitting their prime.

I still think we'll finish mid-table if the players don't drop their heads, we've got a brutal start to the season but a lot more winnable games late. It's unfortunate we haven't had the luck of playing West Coast or Port Adelaide while they're a shitshow.

I was being a bit tongue in cheek, but it feels like we've regressed. Maybe we need a couple of wins to get some confidence, but there also seems like there are more cracks in our foundation than originally thought. We need to turnover a fair few players before the list is at the point where they can execute the game plan the coaches want to use.

And the coaches have all done well in other high performing teams, and yet it seems their game plan and the list are a square peg and round hole, and I'm surprised they couldn't see this happening. Maybe the outs in our team (Snelling, Tippa, Langford) are hurting a lot more than we realise.

 

[faible]

I was being a bit tongue in cheek, but it feels like we've regressed. Maybe we need a couple of wins to get some confidence, but there also seems like there are more cracks in our foundation than originally thought.

I think last year we overachieved slightly on the back of St Kilda, Carlton and Fremantle all being worse than they should have been. Ultimately I think we're behind those teams this year, and should have been last year as well.

We need to turnover a fair few players before the list is at the point where they can execute the game plan the coaches want to use.

I think this is and has been happening, and probably needs a couple more off-seasons to really get the group right moving forward.

And the coaches have all done well in other high performing teams, and yet it seems their game plan and the list are a square peg and round hole

Melbourne and Richmond both looked like a square peg to a round hole, until they didn't.

A critical mass of the 'right' kind of players plus buy-in from senior leaders can flip the switch really quickly, we've seen it happen at Richmond, Melbourne and now St Kilda.

Maybe the outs in our team (Snelling, Tippa, Langford) are hurting a lot more than we realise.

I think this is very true, Snelling is massive as a hard-working link player between the middle and forward half of the ground that runs big k's and offers a reliable outlet player that knows his role and position is the system.

Langford is a different type, but similarly, knows where he needs to be and works hard to be there, is a good marking target that we're desperately lacking, and is a generally good user by foot.

AMT is the only pure crumbing small we've got right now, he's dangerous enough around goal to force defender(s) to actually defend him instead of running off him offensively, and his closing speed and aggression along with a willingness to provide defensive pressure at ground level even if he's not really a system type player is very important.

All 3 of these guys would be a big part of setting up the front half of the zone to stop the ball transitioning from the opposition defence through to midfield which is a huge issue we're having right now

 

[Nifft]

I think last year we overachieved slightly on the back of St Kilda, Carlton and Fremantle all being worse than they should have been. Ultimately I think we're behind those teams this year, and should have been last year as well.



I think this is and has been happening, and probably needs a couple more off-seasons to really get the group right moving forward.



Melbourne and Richmond both looked like a square peg to a round hole, until they didn't.

A critical mass of the 'right' kind of players plus buy-in from senior leaders can flip the switch really quickly, we've seen it happen at Richmond, Melbourne and now St Kilda.



I think this is very true, Snelling is massive as a hard-working link player between the middle and forward half of the ground that runs big k's and offers a reliable outlet player that knows his role and position is the system.

Langford is a different type, but similarly, knows where he needs to be and works hard to be there, is a good marking target that we're desperately lacking, and is a generally good user by foot.

AMT is the only pure crumbing small we've got right now, he's dangerous enough around goal to force defender(s) to actually defend him instead of running off him offensively, and his closing speed and aggression along with a willingness to provide defensive pressure at ground level even if he's not really a system type player is very important.

All 3 of these guys would be a big part of setting up the front half of the zone to stop the ball transitioning from the opposition defence through to midfield which is a huge issue we're having right now

The thing is that the injured guys (Snelling etc) paper over the cracks in the team to some extent because they do the team stuff really well, and them not being there shows how many others don't buy into it, or aren't capable of it.

If those guys come back and we have a reasonably good second half of the season, I hope they don't pat each other on the back because they need to make some hard decisions. Heppell for example should be moved on, but we'll find out how serious they are if they give him an extension.

 

[faible]

The thing is that the injured guys (Snelling etc) paper over the cracks in the team to some extent because they do the team stuff really well, and them not being there shows how many others don't buy into it, or aren't capable of it.

If those guys come back and we have a reasonably good second half of the season, I hope they don't pat each other on the back because they need to make some hard decisions. Heppell for example should be moved on, but we'll find out how serious they are if they give him an extension.

I'm not sure if they paper over the cracks as much as expand the number of guys out there each week doing those things.

Dusty didn't do much defensive running because Lambert covered for him, and allowed him to just be the damaging player he can be.

Stringer is the guy who should be similar for us, and Snelling is our Lambert. Sure, anything Stringer can do defensively is great, but let him worry about offence first and let Snelling worry about defence first.

Ideally you have all 18 guys on-field doing the defensive thing, in reality it'll never be 100%, but the more guys on-field that are doing it, the more the players that aren't naturally inclined to do it start to feel the weight of expectation.

Say we had Snelling, Langford, AMT, Durham, Guelfi and Jake Kelly all out there last weekend. All are guys you'd expect to run hard both ways. That's 1/3 of the team on the field already doing the grunt work, pushing the rest of the group to do it too. It's a weight of numbers thing. Each player you add incrementally improves the rest of the group.

 

[bennyg12]

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[CBombers17]

The thing is that the injured guys (Snelling etc) paper over the cracks in the team to some extent because they do the team stuff really well, and them not being there shows how many others don't buy into it, or aren't capable of it.

If those guys come back and we have a reasonably good second half of the season, I hope they don't pat each other on the back because they need to make some hard decisions. Heppell for example should be moved on, but we'll find out how serious they are if they give him an extension.

Agree with this. The effort players are rising to the top (Snelling and Geulfi) which was totally predictable under this system- but it's not them where the improvement needs to come from it's accross the board.

We can't simply say we are no good because we don't have our 'hard work' players playing. Them out only proves how big the work-rate problem is with the majority.

This is the test for the coaches and also the recruiting department as we will need some gone who won't and more in who will.