Yeah I kinda agree only due to the fact that our side is fairly unbalanced.. I don't have a problem trading some of our young players, but it has to be for a fair price and we need to get a second or third pick back to try and maximise our return.. A direct swap in my opinion is too risky...
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Yeah I kinda agree only due to the fact that our side is fairly unbalanced.. I don't have a problem trading some of our young players, but it has to be for a fair price and we need to get a second or third pick back to try and maximise our return.. A direct swap in my opinion is too risky...
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I still really hope that Caddy and other young players are kept. And will be really disappointed to lose any young talent.
I strongly doubt that Richmond will give pick 26 and Deledio for Caddy. Taking the emotion out of it that would make it a much better deal than just Deledio.
It's still a massive risk as Caddy could really develop into the star he should in the next 2-3 seasons. Part of the emotion attached to Caddy is he was one of the parts of the Ablett compo. Obviously so much emotion is attached to Ablett. And Smedts and Caddy were used and are part of the selling of hope after Ablett.
He's also seemed to be very committed to the club since he arrived. He's a leader and plays with heart. He kicks important goals and sparks emotion and drive in his teammates. Things that can't be measured by the stats that people put up when he's name has been mentioned.
A lot of these things are lacking in other players currently at Geelong. And while Deledio is probably a good internal leader. He's coming from a club where he should be a leader but they've lacked leadership massively in his time there.
I strongly doubt that Richmond will give pick 26 and Deledio for Caddy. Taking the emotion out of it that would make it a much better deal than just Deledio.
It's still a massive risk as Caddy could really develop into the star he should in the next 2-3 seasons. Part of the emotion attached to Caddy is he was one of the parts of the Ablett compo. Obviously so much emotion is attached to Ablett. And Smedts and Caddy were used and are part of the selling of hope after Ablett.
He's also seemed to be very committed to the club since he arrived. He's a leader and plays with heart. He kicks important goals and sparks emotion and drive in his teammates. Things that can't be measured by the stats that people put up when he's name has been mentioned.
A lot of these things are lacking in other players currently at Geelong. And while Deledio is probably a good internal leader. He's coming from a club where he should be a leader but they've lacked leadership massively in his time there.
We have to ask is how big is any short term benefit from sending out Caddy for Deledio (if any) and what are we missing out of in the long term..
Let's say we use Caddy (2016) as a standard measurement of our team.
Someone like Dangerfield might be worth 2 Caddies while someone like Cowan might be worth 0.6 Caddies. Guthrie might be 1.2 Caddies etc.
If you added up the 22 we might be around 24 or 27 Caddies.
Just how many Caddies is Deledio worth and how long can he sustain it.
Even if he is worth 1.5 Caddies (being generous), we only see a short term net increase in of 0.5 Caddies. It's pretty negligible when you consider a swap of Enright at 1.7 Caddies for Bews at 0.5 Caddies a net decrease of 1.2 Caddies.
But let's take a longer term view. (Being super generous about Deledio's longevity and assuming Caddy's yearly output doesn't improve from its 2016 level and that Deledio's output is greater than Caddy's ) Essentially ideal outcome should trade in Deledio
Year 1 Deledio 1.5 Caddies Net 0.5
Year 2 Deledio 1.4 Caddies Net 0.4
Year 3 Deledio 1.3 Caddies Net 0.3
Year 4 Deledio 1.2 Caddies Net 0.2 ( Aged 33 and playing 80 games for Geelong Deledio retires)
Year 5 Net -0.9 Caddies (at age 29 Caddy's output drops below 2016 levels)
Year 6 Net -0.8 Caddies
Year 7 Net -0.7 Caddies (Caddy retires age 31)
Total Net - 1 Caddies
But Deledio isn't likely to last 4 years and even if he does will it be for a net positive Caddies when he is 32 or 33
Let's say we use Caddy (2016) as a standard measurement of our team.
Someone like Dangerfield might be worth 2 Caddies while someone like Cowan might be worth 0.6 Caddies. Guthrie might be 1.2 Caddies etc.
If you added up the 22 we might be around 24 or 27 Caddies.
Just how many Caddies is Deledio worth and how long can he sustain it.
Even if he is worth 1.5 Caddies (being generous), we only see a short term net increase in of 0.5 Caddies. It's pretty negligible when you consider a swap of Enright at 1.7 Caddies for Bews at 0.5 Caddies a net decrease of 1.2 Caddies.
But let's take a longer term view. (Being super generous about Deledio's longevity and assuming Caddy's yearly output doesn't improve from its 2016 level and that Deledio's output is greater than Caddy's ) Essentially ideal outcome should trade in Deledio
Year 1 Deledio 1.5 Caddies Net 0.5
Year 2 Deledio 1.4 Caddies Net 0.4
Year 3 Deledio 1.3 Caddies Net 0.3
Year 4 Deledio 1.2 Caddies Net 0.2 ( Aged 33 and playing 80 games for Geelong Deledio retires)
Year 5 Net -0.9 Caddies (at age 29 Caddy's output drops below 2016 levels)
Year 6 Net -0.8 Caddies
Year 7 Net -0.7 Caddies (Caddy retires age 31)
Total Net - 1 Caddies
But Deledio isn't likely to last 4 years and even if he does will it be for a net positive Caddies when he is 32 or 33
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Wtf.
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That's the thing, we have about 2-3 years to win the flag. After that Taylor/Lonnergan/Mackie/Bartel/Clark are gone and Hawkins is 30. If you think you've seen the whinging about slow for others at 30 wait till you see a 30 year old Hawkins plodding around getting slower if that's even possible.
As Boob said you don't have Danger and Selwood in their prime and not take risks. In 3-4 years we will start to bottom out and in 5 years we'll most likely be bottom 4, and then we can get all the kids we want but with a difference. Which is that they will be all top 10 draft picks.
I really want us to have a genuine crack again, because looking at our youth, I don't think we'll be in this position again any time soon. Might be in for a bit of hurt afterwards.
As Boob said you don't have Danger and Selwood in their prime and not take risks. In 3-4 years we will start to bottom out and in 5 years we'll most likely be bottom 4, and then we can get all the kids we want but with a difference. Which is that they will be all top 10 draft picks.
I really want us to have a genuine crack again, because looking at our youth, I don't think we'll be in this position again any time soon. Might be in for a bit of hurt afterwards.
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In a nutshell....make hay while the sun shines.....strike while the iron's hot....call it what you like!
And that may just well be it. The club may very well just be pursuing this path, hoping every two years they can make the cap room to bring new talent in.
When the superstars roll out, they'll reload with draft picks and start again
I love it, but how pissed did you get last night to stay pissed this morning?
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Perhaps it's with some of the players that can't be bothered putting in the effort to train or play to the required level.
1) No
2) Who is Tony Sheahan and why should we care about the things he makes up
3) The first non twitter link in a google search of his name shows that McGuire threatened to sue him for making stuff up.
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That group (performing in finals) is unfortunately a small group there these days.
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Why does anybody believe any thing Tony Sheahan says?
Such a reliable "journo" that twitter won't even give him a blue tick
Any news at all coming from anyone on this deal today??
seems the Mexican stand off is still going on across the table... I have that scene stuck in my head from good will hunting where robin williams and Matt Damon sat in the counselling office silent staring each other down for hours each week saying nothing.
seems the Mexican stand off is still going on across the table... I have that scene stuck in my head from good will hunting where robin williams and Matt Damon sat in the counselling office silent staring each other down for hours each week saying nothing.
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Caddy is bloody besties with Sel, Duncan etc. Tony Shehan is just a knobjockey
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Ithink Richmond if they want Caddy ( and i dont know why they want him to be honest ) should have done what Melb did - in giving Geel a 1st round pick to clinch the Ottens deal - one young Midfielder had to go - and Melb wanted Bartel ( who had done very little to that stage of his career ) . Geelong reluctantly gave up Maloney
Richmond should have said to gEEL -ok you want Deledio - then we want one of Guthrie Duncan or Caddy - and Geel would have said - you can have Caddy
I hope the deal gets done - watching Selwood Dangerfield and Deledio as a unit would be fantastic
Richmond should have said to gEEL -ok you want Deledio - then we want one of Guthrie Duncan or Caddy - and Geel would have said - you can have Caddy
I hope the deal gets done - watching Selwood Dangerfield and Deledio as a unit would be fantastic
Caddy is definitely the weakest of those 3 second tier guys, and the other 2 provide a point of difference to our other guys. Caddy's game is too similar to (poor man's) Dangerfield/Selwood to stay, especially when guys like Menegola and SSelwood are around.
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Strange as it seems but Taylor Hunt is a bona fide Tigers best 22 and has provided far more value over the last two seasons compared to Lids.
Surely there's some good karma coming back our way ... surely.
That's the thing - Geelong and Hawthorn and Sydney do deals and ensure that they are fair and reasonable - especially by the players.
Culturally this attitude of fairness and cohesiveness permeates through all layers. And we attract success. It's a team first ethos.
Clubs like Richmond, Essendon and Carlton are the opposite. It's about what they can get over other teams, how they can win. It can be seen at the trading table, and unfortunately for them, it manifests in their boards, their coaching and their onfield success.
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