All Australian thread 2014

[TheFVK]

Parker: 24 touches, 1 goal, 6 tackles, 4 inside 50's, 1 rebound 50's, 68% effective disposal

Gray: 24 touches, 1.5 goals, 3 tackles, 3 inside 50's, 1 rebound 50's, 70% effective disposal

Harvey: 26 touches, 1.3 goals, 4 tackles, 4 inside 50's, 1 rebound 50's, 78% effective disposal

Martin: 27 touches, 1.5 goals, 3 tackles, 3 inside 50's, 2 rebound 50's, 70% effective disposal


From that id say he stacks up pretty well actually, i can go deeper into the stats if youd like?

End of the day he deserves to be in the conversation, regardless of what your bias says

Deserves to be in the conversation certainly. Far and away Richmond's best player this year.

Here's a more meaningful set of stats which better reflect a player's impact on a game.

Parker: 24 touches, (10 contested) 3.9 clearances, 0.1 bounces, 1.2 goals, 0.6 goal assists

Gray: 25 touches (11 contested), 5.2 clearances, 0.2 bounces, 1.6 goals, 1.4 goal assists (#1 in AFL)

Harvey: 27 touches (7 contested), 2.2 clearances, 2.9 bounces, 1.3 goals, 0.7 goal assists

Martin: 27 touches (8.3 contested), 2.8 clearances, 1.1 bounces, 1.5 goals, 0.8 goal assists

This just confirms for me that these Harvey and Martin are essentially competing for the same position, as the outside, damaging, run and carry player, while Parker and Gray rotate through centre square / forward. Robbie is clearly in at this stage, sitting 2nd on the AFL Coaches Association award having polled in something like 11 of 13 games this year. Parker's an interesting one who is clearly having a breakout year, and should at least make the squad on current form.

Out of Harvey and Martin, I'd have Harvey clearly in at this point- much to my chagrin considering he's managed to cut us up for the better part of 15 years now. Can't he just retire already? Dustin's had a super 6 weeks, but his four quarter impact on games in the first six weeks was nothing special, as a peruse through Richmond gameday threads in this period would reveal. But, he finishes the year off with his current form and he's in.

 

[The_Eagles]

Nathan Fyfe is a certainty, just as Josh Gibson would've been a certainty if he hadn't got injured in Round 8. Not only because they continued on with their dominant form of 2013. Also because the AA selectors probably realised what freakin' idiots they were last year when they left both players out and both went on to win their club's best and fairest.

The 2 best players of the 2 best teams in 2013… both left out of the AA team. What a balls-up!!

The selectors will be keen to atone. Fyfe will be one of the first players selected.

Yeah there's no way the 7th best player as voted by the players and Fremantle's best player, one of the dominant teams of the last 3 years, will not get in. It will be a travesty (barring injury). Even though Im an Eagle, he shouldve been a forward flank in 2011 and on the bench at least last year. He's in the top handful of players in the game, the hype is justified

 

[DontArgue4]

Deserves to be in the conversation certainly. Far and away Richmond's best player this year.

Here's a more meaningful set of stats which better reflect a player's impact on a game.

Parker: 24 touches, (10 contested) 3.9 clearances, 0.1 bounces, 1.2 goals, 0.6 goal assists

Gray: 25 touches (11 contested), 5.2 clearances, 0.2 bounces, 1.6 goals, 1.4 goal assists (#1 in AFL)

Harvey: 27 touches (7 contested), 2.2 clearances, 2.9 bounces, 1.3 goals, 0.7 goal assists

Martin: 27 touches (8.3 contested), 2.8 clearances, 1.1 bounces, 1.5 goals, 0.8 goal assists

This just confirms for me that these Harvey and Martin are essentially competing for the same position, as the outside, damaging, run and carry player, while Parker and Gray rotate through centre square / forward. Robbie is clearly in at this stage, sitting 2nd on the AFL Coaches Association award having polled in something like 11 of 13 games this year. Parker's an interesting one who is clearly having a breakout year, and should at least make the squad on current form.

Out of Harvey and Martin, I'd have Harvey clearly in at this point- much to my chagrin considering he's managed to cut us up for the better part of 15 years now. Can't he just retire already? Dustin's had a super 6 weeks, but his four quarter impact on games in the first six weeks was nothing special, as a peruse through Richmond gameday threads in this period would reveal. But, he finishes the year off with his current form and he's in.

Yep, more than a fair enough summation. Agree completely.

 

[LeverPuller]

I just worry with Robbie that Vic bias will hurt him. Totally deserves to be in but the numpties who vote are the problem...

 

[Scott lastname]

Interesting that Hawks are second on the ladder, and yet the only person from this thread that seems a "lock" for AA (or even being mentioned) is Breust. And yet, as a Hawks supporter, I can't say I would be adding anyone else from the team in. Birchall and Gunston may go close, depending on how they close out the year. Before his injury I would have said Gibson was a lock (how he missed last year, winning B&F in the premiership team is beyond me) but now he has missed too many games to be in the running.

Sydney are sitting third and also probably only have Franklin and may be Kennedy in the squad. Shows how even the contributions to those two teams are.

Port, however, would have quite a few people in the team. Wonder what that means for their depth if a couple of injuries befall the team (not that I'm wishing it upon them).

 

[the big lebowski]

Deserves to be in the conversation certainly. Far and away Richmond's best player this year.

Here's a more meaningful set of stats which better reflect a player's impact on a game.

Parker: 24 touches, (10 contested) 3.9 clearances, 0.1 bounces, 1.2 goals, 0.6 goal assists

Gray: 25 touches (11 contested), 5.2 clearances, 0.2 bounces, 1.6 goals, 1.4 goal assists (#1 in AFL)

Harvey: 27 touches (7 contested), 2.2 clearances, 2.9 bounces, 1.3 goals, 0.7 goal assists

Martin: 27 touches (8.3 contested), 2.8 clearances, 1.1 bounces, 1.5 goals, 0.8 goal assists

This just confirms for me that these Harvey and Martin are essentially competing for the same position, as the outside, damaging, run and carry player, while Parker and Gray rotate through centre square / forward. Robbie is clearly in at this stage, sitting 2nd on the AFL Coaches Association award having polled in something like 11 of 13 games this year. Parker's an interesting one who is clearly having a breakout year, and should at least make the squad on current form.

Out of Harvey and Martin, I'd have Harvey clearly in at this point- much to my chagrin considering he's managed to cut us up for the better part of 15 years now. Can't he just retire already? Dustin's had a super 6 weeks, but his four quarter impact on games in the first six weeks was nothing special, as a peruse through Richmond gameday threads in this period would reveal. But, he finishes the year off with his current form and he's in.

On a different topic, i think the "goal assist" stat should just be changed to "score assist".

My reasoning is that if Robbie Gray baulks three guys and then dishes off a look away handball to Westhoff, who then misses from 40 meters out, that is not Gray's fault. He set up the score, and had no way of determining the result.

As such, the score assist stat should be the one counted as opposed to goal assist.

I rest my case your honour.

 

[Honeyboy Wilson]

Interesting that Hawks are second on the ladder, and yet the only person from this thread that seems a "lock" for AA (or even being mentioned) is Breust. And yet, as a Hawks supporter, I can't say I would be adding anyone else from the team in. Birchall and Gunston may go close, depending on how they close out the year. Before his injury I would have said Gibson was a lock (how he missed last year, winning B&F in the premiership team is beyond me) but now he has missed too many games to be in the running.

Sydney are sitting third and also probably only have Franklin and may be Kennedy in the squad. Shows how even the contributions to those two teams are.

Port, however, would have quite a few people in the team. Wonder what that means for their depth if a couple of injuries befall the team (not that I'm wishing it upon them).

At the moment, we only have one lock with Robbie Gray. Boak, Schulz and Lobbe are other contenders, or Wingard if he comes home with a wet sail, but none are guaranteed. For some reason everyone thinks our defence is our weak point, so we won't have a look-in down back.

 

[Honeyboy Wilson]

On a different topic, i think the "goal assist" stat should just be changed to "score assist".

My reasoning is that if Robbie Gray baulks three guys and then dishes off a look away handball to Westhoff, who then misses from 40 meters out, that is not Gray's fault. He set up the score, and had no way of determining the result.

As such, the score assist stat should be the one counted as opposed to goal assist.

I rest my case your honour.

Well there is a score assist stat - it's just not readily available. Last time it was reported, Robbie Gray was #1 in the AFL for it.

 

[Pykie]

On a different topic, i think the "goal assist" stat should just be changed to "score assist".

My reasoning is that if Robbie Gray baulks three guys and then dishes off a look away handball to Westhoff, who then misses from 40 meters out, that is not Gray's fault. He set up the score, and had no way of determining the result.

As such, the score assist stat should be the one counted as opposed to goal assist.

I rest my case your honour.

The stat you're describing already exists.

It's called score involvements.

 

[Shaneprice97]

On a different topic, i think the "goal assist" stat should just be changed to "score assist".

My reasoning is that if Robbie Gray baulks three guys and then dishes off a look away handball to Westhoff, who then misses from 40 meters out, that is not Gray's fault. He set up the score, and had no way of determining the result.

As such, the score assist stat should be the one counted as opposed to goal assist.

I rest my case your honour.

I remember having a rant about about Cloke vs J.Riewoldt about 6 months ago, the bloke was saying Riewoldt was much better because he had 20+ goal assists when cloke had about 5-10 or something(not even a good stat to judge a key forward in the first place), i explained how the goal assist stat was very flawed because it relies on the teammate to score the goal but he continued to ignore me and called me a flog.
for all we know Cloke could have had 50 score assists(he wouldnt have of course) and Riewoldt could have had 30 score assists. The goal assist stat is to flawed to put in an arguement and the score assist stat is far superior, and even then it doesnt take in out on the fulls.

 

[TheFVK]

On a different topic, i think the "goal assist" stat should just be changed to "score assist".

My reasoning is that if Robbie Gray baulks three guys and then dishes off a look away handball to Westhoff, who then misses from 40 meters out, that is not Gray's fault. He set up the score, and had no way of determining the result.

As such, the score assist stat should be the one counted as opposed to goal assist.

I rest my case your honour.

Completely agree. I find it irritating how inaccessible stats such as these are to the common pleb fan like us, yet shitty two bit journos are able to throw in stats such as this and clearly have access to some super secret database somewhere.

We need a line in to championdata

Edit: metres gained is another stat I'd love access to

 

[Scott lastname]

At the moment, we only have one lock with Robbie Gray. Boak, Schulz and Lobbe are other contenders, or Wingard if he comes home with a wet sail, but none are guaranteed. For some reason everyone thinks our defence is our weak point, so we won't have a look-in down back.

I would have had Schulz and Boak in for you. Westhof could potentially be in the mix. Wingard I think is probably behind Breust and Elliot (and Gray) competing for the small forward role, which looks to be one of the most hotly contested positions in the team. However, I think Breust is pretty clearly in the lead at the moment, with his goals and score involvements putting him way out in front. Seems most people on here agree too. That's tough on Wingard, who has been stellar, but so have Breust and Elliot.

Still, that gives you three locks (Gray, Boak, Schulz), two competitors (Wingard and potentially Westhof) and you'd have to say that Lobbe could also challenge for the second ruck spot.

 

[the big lebowski]

The stat you're describing already exists.

It's called score involvements.

I am not sure that's correct Pykie. I always thought that "score involvements" just meant you were involved in the chain of possession that lead to the score. I think this is a somewhat irrelevant stat anyway.

Whereas the score assist (which i acknowledge does exist), means you were the last possession before the score.

Essentially it is the same thing as the goal assist but also takes into account your teammate missing, as the guy above me stated.

Why should Boomer be penalized because he is continually hitting Drew Petrie on the tit as opposed to Luke Breust.

 

[the big lebowski]

Completely agree. I find it irritating how inaccessible stats such as these are to the common pleb fan like us, yet shitty two bit journos are able to throw in stats such as this and clearly have access to some super secret database somewhere.

We need a line in to championdata

Edit: metres gained is another stat I'd love access to

Agree. In this day and age of footy that is a very useful stat.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

I would have had Schulz and Boak in for you. Westhof could potentially be in the mix. Wingard I think is probably behind Breust and Elliot (and Gray) competing for the small forward role, which looks to be one of the most hotly contested positions in the team. However, I think Breust is pretty clearly in the lead at the moment, with his goals and score involvements putting him way out in front. Seems most people on here agree too. That's tough on Wingard, who has been stellar, but so have Breust and Elliot.

Still, that gives you three locks (Gray, Boak, Schulz), two competitors (Wingard and potentially Westhof) and you'd have to say that Lobbe could also challenge for the second ruck spot.

Westhoff would have to have a huge end of the year, including some game saving performances etc... has been a bit off his best this year but recent form has been good.

 

[Scott lastname]

Westhoff would have to have a huge end of the year, including some game saving performances etc... has been a bit off his best this year but recent form has been good.

Yeah, probably not in right now. There would be others ahead of him. Fair point.

 

[chinggis77]

IMO Mundy has been miles better than Barlow.

Agree. Mundy is silk. His lace out deliveries into the forward line or to teammates are great to watch. He makes all his possessions count. Is great in traffic.

Would be great to see Barlow get a jumper though, just for the story.

But there is too much competition across the AFL for midfield spots. Probably only Fyfe will get into the 22, Barlow and Mundy likely in the expanded squad. Sandi is the only other chance from us unless Ballas keeps up his recent form.

 

[Port Of Gold]

Completely agree. I find it irritating how inaccessible stats such as these are to the common pleb fan like us, yet shitty two bit journos are able to throw in stats such as this and clearly have access to some super secret database somewhere.

We need a line in to championdata

Edit: metres gained is another stat I'd love access to

Then, I would suggest
Tagging Champion_Data
For these sorts of stats

 

[The_Eagles]

Fyfe unstoppable ruck rover / centre again

 

[ronpingwins]

Fyfe starts in the midfield with GAJ and JPK. Mackenzie pushing himself again, destroyed Pavlich and continued his improved rebounding game.

 

[Lach72]

I keep bringing up Stephen Hill...keep getting ignored.

He was sensational again today.
Lazy 32 disposals, 3 goals 1.
Exquisite passing at times


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[tek87]

Mark Riccutio (all australian selector) inimated that he wont make the same mistakes as selectors last year and Fyfe will get an spot. One of the worst omissions ever last year. still cant believe it. Though Fyfe is now working for channel 7, so should be a shoe in

 

[tek87]

agree on Stephen Hill having a great year and getting alot of mentions in the coaches voting. But only see SAndi and Fyfe making it with Mundy a dark horse. Michael Johnson was a lock before being injured

 

[swansfan51]

Here's a more meaningful set of stats which better reflect a player's impact on a game.

Parker: 24 touches, (10 contested) 3.9 clearances, 0.1 bounces, 1.2 goals, 0.6 goal assists

Gray: 25 touches (11 contested), 5.2 clearances, 0.2 bounces, 1.6 goals, 1.4 goal assists (#1 in AFL)

If those are the stats we're looking at...

Jack: 25 touches (11 contested), 3.9 clearances, 0 bounces, 1.1 goals, 1.1 goal assists

He's very easily a better player than Parker and his tackles, inside 50s and rebound 50s are 50% or more above Gray. His 2 way workrate is exceptional.

 

[Bardo State]

I keep bringing up Stephen Hill...keep getting ignored.

He was sensational again today.
Lazy 32 disposals, 3 goals 1.
Exquisite passing at times


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Is having an awesome year. Unfortunately, when it comes to midfielders, people generally tend to look at the disposal collumn and consider their research done.