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[MirosWife]

Another example of gate keeping.

The moment the discussion is anything but a circle jerk about how excellent the match was, without acknowledging that it was only seen by a small percentage of the AEW audience old mate alt account here comes in with personal insults (again!)

This isn't a banter thread, it's a discussion thread. Let's focus on discussing AEW, rather than you getting all melty because I've got an opinion of AEW that is not what you agree with.

Your forgot a 4. It’s been watched 490,000 times not 90,000. You did a typo.
Or Did you do foundation maths at school?

 

[MirosWife]

Another example of gate keeping.

The moment the discussion is anything but a circle jerk about how excellent the match was, without acknowledging that it was only seen by a small percentage of the AEW audience old mate alt account here comes in with personal insults (again!)

This isn't a banter thread, it's a discussion thread. Let's focus on discussing AEW, rather than you getting all melty because I've got an opinion of AEW that is not what you agree with.

Oh it’s 491,000 now. This YouTube is amazing. Would you like an update every 10 minutes?

 

[Senor M]

Your forgot a 4. It’s been watched 490,000 times not 90,000. You did a typo.
Or Did you do foundation maths at school?

The "Rampage Buy In" YouTube video was watched by a peak of 90,000 viewers live.

That's what I've stated multiple times.

What's the point in counter programming Smackdown (it doesn't matter who did it first), when you're only going to get 90,000 viewers to watch live. Danielson Vs Suzuki didn't need to happen at 9:30pm on a Friday night on YouTube with NO build on TV (not even a match announcement on TV, which is normally something AEW does well). If they wanted to make it a YouTube video-- add it to Dark or Elevation.

Or Did you do foundation maths at school?

Another personal attack at someone for having a different opinion.

Loonerty -- this is what I mean by "gate keeping". A few of the regulars in this thread take it personally and go way overboard anytime there's a difference of opinion in this thread. It's sad really that it's not possible to have an intelligent discussion about AEW in this thread due to comments like the one above.

 

[MirosWife]

The "Rampage Buy In" YouTube video was watched by a peak of 90,000 viewers live.

That's what I've stated multiple times.

What's the point in counter programming Smackdown (it doesn't matter who did it first), when you're only going to get 90,000 viewers to watch live. Danielson Vs Suzuki didn't need to happen at 9:30pm on a Friday night on YouTube with NO build on TV (not even a match announcement on TV, which is normally something AEW does well). If they wanted to make it a YouTube video-- add it to Dark or Elevation.



Another personal attack at someone for having a different opinion.

Loonerty -- this is what I mean by "gate keeping". A few of the regulars in this thread take it personally and go way overboard anytime there's a difference of opinion in this thread. It's sad really that it's not possible to have an intelligent discussion about AEW in this thread due to comments like the one above.

I think you need to look up what gate keeping means. Did you fail English as well?

493,000 views. Amazing. Suzuki is a draw confirmed

 

[The Casey Cat]

Great pre show and show. Bryan v Suzuki on the pre show not a bad idea at all. Ninety odd thousand live plus the many hundreds of thousands more since is excellent.

JDS's wrestling isn't great although his knees looked good but he seemed to improve throughout it.

 

[RossFC]

Early Rampage Rating: 549K.

 

[Filthy Sanchez]

A very enjoyable show! No nonsense stuff, just good matches and storytelling.

I don't like it when blokes just stand around and ask to be hit, but for the most part it made sense in the Bryan match.

I feel like the cameras missed something as the fans went ape shit prior to the Hager table spot? Sammy must've done something.

The main event was very good, my only problem was a bunch of fresh MMA fighters clearing the ring when an outnumbered tag team makes the save ages after the fact. That part seemed a little phony to me.

I also think people are blowing out of proportion what sort of a draw the Suzuki v Bryan match was. Suzuki isn't a star in the US, he wouldn't have made a massive dent in the ratings, but going after the internet fans and making this a "must see" rampage made sense to me.

 

[Loonerty]

Another personal attack at someone for having a different opinion.

@Loonerty -- this is what I mean by "gate keeping". A few of the regulars in this thread take it personally and go way overboard anytime there's a difference of opinion in this thread. It's sad really that it's not possible to have an intelligent discussion about AEW in this thread due to comments like the one above.

Yes, let me be clear to everyone - comments like Miro's are not tolerated.

If you cannot have this discussion without resorting to personal comments like this, then don't comment at all.

 

[Lynchy04]

Both shows had some very good matches so if this “war” means we get better matches more often than I am good with that.

 

[Loonerty]

Both shows had some very good matches so if this “war” means we get better matches more often than I am good with that.

This is exactly it - success for AEW should (key word here) mean a step up from WWE.

And then we are the true winners of the war if there is quality wrestling week after week.

 

[Colonial]

Then what's this little gem underneath mate?



The Danielson Vs Suzuki match was counter programming -- and a F*** poor attempt at that if only 90k watched on YouTube because TK made a reactionary decision and didn't hype the match sufficiently before it happened.



Then how do you watch AEW mate?

Not through that streaming service called Fite.tv where you can go back and watch ANY episode of Dynamite, Rampage, Dark or Elevation since the very beginning? Or any PPV that you've already paid for?

Being on an Australian based forum, I'm not sure why you're pretending that something doesn't exist when it clearly does.

It’s called pointing out the obvious. WWE have been counter programming since before the 1st episode of Dynamite. Just like you have been whinging about AEW since before their first event.
Watch it all through PS4. Hopefully we get a streaming service or FTA contract soon.

Oh well. Onto ignore you go. Probably should of put you on it years ago.

Too bad you cant Just enjoy your wrestling without carrying on about others. Must be tiring.
Happy to talk issues with AEW but when that’s all they have. Meh.

 

[Nugett]

They wasted the momentum really, they won’t catch WWE with what they are putting out at the moment. They’d have to get Roman or Brock to jump ship to draw bulk numbers. There’s no one else that could top Bryan and Punk for interest sake.

Neither Roman or Brock will join AEW. Truthfully Brock has name power. Roman doesn’t, he is just another bland WWE style wrestler.

 

[Nugett]

I’m discussing AEW because it’s an AEW thread— is it that difficult to understand?

90k viewers watched that match live— that’s disappointing in my opinion. YouTube viewers on delay don’t demand high advertising dollars, especially when the timezones that have likely pushed the viewers aren’t AEW’s core market (as the US has mostly been asleep since it aired)

It’s a poor booking decision— no idea why people are trying to defend it.

That’s 90k viewers, who wasn’t watching Smackdown at that time. Seeing the number go up to 400k in less than 12 hours is also a good result. Were you expecting 2 million viewers to tune into a match on YouTube? It is a good result, The fact that number of viewers will grow, it‘s not That bad of a result. I can see Smackdown being extended to 3 hours in the near future, so there will be a lot more clashes on a Friday night with the 2 companies. AEW has set it’s programming not to conflict with WWE. WWE first put up NXT against Dynamite, and lost. Now they are trying it with Smackdown vs Rampage. So AEW does have a right to look at other ways in which to draw potential viewers to its product. The Danielson match, is creating word of mouth, which then will create more interest, wether it be on the night or the day after, people will watch.

 

[glenn2479]

Personally I like all the different things AEW bring to the table. YouTube shows, wrestlers from other promotions, MMA fighters. It’s refreshing.

 

[Nugett]

Then what's this little gem underneath mate?



The Danielson Vs Suzuki match was counter programming -- and a F*** poor attempt at that if only 90k watched on YouTube because TK made a reactionary decision and didn't hype the match sufficiently before it happened.



Then how do you watch AEW mate?

Not through that streaming service called Fite.tv where you can go back and watch ANY episode of Dynamite, Rampage, Dark or Elevation since the very beginning? Or any PPV that you've already paid for?

Being on an Australian based forum, I'm not sure why you're pretending that something doesn't exist when it clearly does.

Do you have an issue with Smackdown having an extra half hour to counter program against Rampage for the first half hour? Or is it only Tony Kahn putting matches on YouTube during Smackdown? Maybe Tony should have said, Hey Smackdown is running half hour later, so we just not going to have a Rampage show this week.

 

[Senor M]

That’s 90k viewers, who wasn’t watching Smackdown at that time. Seeing the number go up to 400k in less than 12 hours is also a good result. Were you expecting 2 million viewers to tune into a match on YouTube? It is a good result, The fact that number of viewers will grow, it‘s not That bad of a result. I can see Smackdown being extended to 3 hours in the near future, so there will be a lot more clashes on a Friday night with the 2 companies. AEW has set it’s programming not to conflict with WWE. WWE first put up NXT against Dynamite, and lost. Now they are trying it with Smackdown vs Rampage. So AEW does have a right to look at other ways in which to draw potential viewers to its product. The Danielson match, is creating word of mouth, which then will create more interest, wether it be on the night or the day after, people will watch.

While Smackdown is on Fox it will always remain two hours, because Fox only provides two hours of National content to the local affiliates on a Friday night (between 8-10). That’s why Smackdown doesn’t normally have an overrun. This week was an exception because Smackdown was bumped from Fox to FS1 for the week.

I know it appears to be an unpopular opinion here, but I think that AEW should be using its biggest star to bump TV ratings, not have them wrestle on YouTube to 90k live viewers.

 

[Senor M]

Watch it all through PS4. Hopefully we get a streaming service or FTA contract soon.

Fite IS a streaming service and I hope that AEW keeps using this format into the future rather than trying to negotiate a FTA TV Deal.

A TV deal leaves the ability to watch the content at the whims of the network— what are the chances they’ll air everything live & ad free (like we get now on Fite)?

Unlikely.

 

[Loonerty]

Dante Martin has so much potential.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Dante Martin has so much potential.

Don't like his style. Too much gymnastics not enough wrestling.
Also can't cut a promo and way too white to be a BLM advocate. It just looks weird.

 

[Loonerty]

Don't like his style. Too much gymnastics not enough wrestling.
Also can't cut a promo and way too white to be a BLM advocate. It just looks weird.

Okay I'm not gonna touch the second half of that second line.

He's 23. I said potential. He has time on his side to work on all that.

 

[Nugett]

While Smackdown is on Fox it will always remain two hours, because Fox only provides two hours of National content to the local affiliates on a Friday night (between 8-10). That’s why Smackdown doesn’t normally have an overrun. This week was an exception because Smackdown was bumped from Fox to FS1 for the week.

I know it appears to be an unpopular opinion here, but I think that AEW should be using its biggest star to bump TV ratings, not have them wrestle on YouTube to 90k live viewers.

There is a rumour, that WWE are testing the waters with the Supersized Smackdown. As to wether or not it does change to 3 hours. Where they are looking at the first 2 hours on Fox and the last hour on FS1 to go head to head with Rampage.

You keep bringing up The 90k, as if that is the peak number of views. It very clearly isn’t. It’s an easier way to watch later. It’s no different than recording a programme on a DVR, or downloading a show you like. Even in the 80’s you could record off the TV via video.

Take Game of Thrones for example, the show would air over here at 11am, which is when the new episode would air in the US. Most people would watch it later on that evening over the actual airtime. So because 50k watched the show when it first aired, it didn’t make it a failure, because by the next episode, you would have had 2-3 million people that had watched it. So the 90k initial figure is irrelevant, as more people will watch it. people do have lives outside of watching TV or streaming. I just came back from camping, so I haven’t watched it yet, how ever I will, so that will be another view that they will get. Recording shows has been happening since the VCR, initial views are just that, initial views, they are not the overall views.

I don’t mind you criticising the AEW product, at times you do make some valid points. other times, I find that your criticism can be very trivial, where you just hone in on one aspect, rather than trying to be subjective to view the overall picture. However you are not the only one, I know that I’m very critical of the WWE, I also cannot understand how a WWE superstar is over, when I personally find that person bland, boring and his matches very predictable. So I have zero interest in his match against Brock Lesner, I don’t care if he has a match against the Rock at next years Wrestlemania, so I just don’t bother watching his matches or segments, because I don’t enjoy them. I do realise that most people do, so rather than putting them down, I’d rather not comment too much. Let people enjoy what they like...

 

[Senor M]

You keep bringing up The 90k, as if that is the peak number of views. It very clearly isn’t. It’s an easier way to watch later. It’s no different than recording a programme on a DVR, or downloading a show you like. Even in the 80’s you could record off the TV via video.

Take Game of Thrones for example, the show would air over here at 11am, which is when the new episode would air in the US. Most people would watch it later on that evening over the actual airtime. So because 50k watched the show when it first aired, it didn’t make it a failure, because by the next episode, you would have had 2-3 million people that had watched it. So the 90k initial figure is irrelevant, as more people will watch it. people do have lives outside of watching TV or streaming. I just came back from camping, so I haven’t watched it yet, how ever I will, so that will be another view that they will get. Recording shows has been happening since the VCR, initial views are just that, initial views, they are not the overall views.

But overall views is not how viewership and ratings is counted when discussing professional wrestling-- never has been. It's about the live viewership number. If it doesn't matter WHEN people watch Danielson Vs Suzuki-- then why didn't the match get added to Dark or Elevation (existing weekly YouTube content) instead of putting it up Live?

I don’t mind you criticising the AEW product, at times you do make some valid points. other times, I find that your criticism can be very trivial, where you just hone in on one aspect, rather than trying to be subjective to view the overall picture. However you are not the only one, I know that I’m very critical of the WWE, I also cannot understand how a WWE superstar is over, when I personally find that person bland, boring and his matches very predictable. So I have zero interest in his match against Brock Lesner, I don’t care if he has a match against the Rock at next years Wrestlemania, so I just don’t bother watching his matches or segments, because I don’t enjoy them. I do realise that most people do, so rather than putting them down, I’d rather not comment too much. Let people enjoy what they like...

It's worth noting that I made ONE comment in this thread on this topic (and at all in the past month) and everything else has been responding to people who've either quoted my post or made childish insults about my name because I had a differing opinion.

I'm just responding to the discussion.

 

[Nugett]

But overall views is not how viewership and ratings is counted when discussing professional wrestling-- never has been. It's about the live viewership number. If it doesn't matter WHEN people watch Danielson Vs Suzuki-- then why didn't the match get added to Dark or Elevation (existing weekly YouTube content) instead of putting it up Live?



It's worth noting that I made ONE comment in this thread on this topic (and at all in the past month) and everything else has been responding to people who've either quoted my post or made childish insults about my name because I had a differing opinion.

I'm just responding to the discussion.

Fair enough you are entitled to your opinion.

 

[Cleavy]

I guess they don't want to beat Punk yet, hence why he's not in the tournament?

 

[Loonerty]

10 seems like a weird addition but I guess it's just easy fodder for Mox.