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[JB1975]

You're moral compass, and others, could be greatly imporved by giving a stuff about the atrocities in Ukraine.
My moral compass may not be working as perfectly as it could be, by I do have a moral compass and you could be not so pigheaded as to acknowledge some of my grievances in this thread.
FWIW, I've always acknowledged the wrongs committed by Israel since this war started.
It doesn't mean I can't be antipathetic to the actions happening here in Australia that you and others shout down. From chants of 'Where's the Jews', on October 8th. From Fayeh Tash burning down his burger store and blaming it on the Jewish community in Caufield. From Clementine Forde doxxing a Jewish community in Thornbury. The list has gone on and on creating an unsafe community here in Melbourne and all over Australia. My arguments have long been vindicated by the grevious behavour from some of the cretinous elements of the left.
If you weren't so pigheaded, you'd acknowledge that my grievances were well founded and legitimate.

I've almost always seen Israel through the story of Israel itself, through the prism of Holocaust and the need to defend a fledgling nation surrounded by hate.

The decision by a mindless rabble to politicise the burning of a burger joint was moronic and provocative, which I pointed out at the time and have lambasted thereafter.

But no, I'm otherwise not going to get caught up in some ruckus in Australia when I have a daily feed of inhumanity from Gaza. The suffering of those people is terrifying, and endless until death.

I know about the war in Ukraine. The dimensions and horrors of it are clear to me. I don't know exactly how it ends, but I do know that isn't on the level of the butchery being carried out by the IDF.

My posts don't really reference 'the 'left' or 'right'. What concerns me is the deliberate murder of over 12,000 children and the performance of genocide in Gaza.

 

[sr36]

It proves something that is abvious that you and others in this thread have had an agenda all along.

Agenda is used so often to criticise that some seem to think having an agenda is a negative thing.

Mark and JB clearly have an agenda with their posting regarding Israel. They're choosing to point out what they consider an atrocity. What's wrong with that?

You claim to have an agenda to focus on Ukraine - which would be good if believeable - although you never actually say anything about The Ukraine other than - Why aren't you guys saying anything about the Ukraine - so it isn't believable that you actually have that agenda - what is your agenda with the Ukraine stuff?

 

[JB1975]

And there are posters in here who sympathise with Putin.

I'd be far more concerned in the Australian government sympathised with Putin, even though you tell me that the position of our leaders is nothing in comparison to the position of some BF posters.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Why do people use them rather than going through one of the actual bookmakers?

I don’t want to take the thread off-topic so I’ll be brief.

*The 5% commission is generally less than a bookmaker’s overround, so the value is better. As an example I just checked a bookmaker and they have Trump $1.90 and Biden $2.15.
*Betfair will not limit you, ever. They want turnover and want action.
*Betfair allows you to “lay” outcomes, even in events such as a horse race. To do this with the TAB you would hypothetically have to back every OTHER runner to win.
*Betfair display how much money is available to be matched at a particular price. If the Aussies are $1.20 to win a T20 match and there’s $10k sitting there from someone who likes Sri Lanka instead, you can bet your $10k right then and there and it’s matched in seconds. No referral to a trader, to then decide you’re only allowed to bet $50 because they don’t like taking on a liability.
*Betfair doesn’t mind if you take multiple options in a market. If you take the Dogs and Cats to win the flag in preseason, and then they shorten and you realise you want to flesh your position out with some Swans later, or add the Pies when they’re 0-3 and drifting in the market, all good. Books won’t allow you to achieve a zero-liability position.
*Betfair allows you to use your own equity in a market to lay off from a position. In 2022 I backed Nick Daicos for the Rising Star when he was still $2 or so, before he had the 40 possession, 3 goal game against Adelaide and his odds shortened to $1.30 or so. I could then bet against Nick using my existing equity in case he got suspended or Nick Martin, Jai Newcombe etc. did the unthinkable, and I didn’t have to deposit any additional money into my account to achieve it.

 

[Markfs]

Agenda is used so often to criticise that some seem to think having an agenda is a negative thing.

Mark and JB clearly have an agenda with their posting regarding Israel. They're choosing to point out what they consider an atrocity. What's wrong with that?

You claim to have an agenda to focus on Ukraine - which would be good if believeable - although you never actually say anything about The Ukraine other than - Why aren't you guys saying anything about the Ukraine - so it isn't believable that you actually have that agenda - what is your agenda with the Ukraine stuff?

Evidently, not only do the israelis want to murder and starve.... they want to be loved while they're doing it.

I dont understand people coming into the forum with arguments that israel is defending itself and then saying everyone else in the forum is biased.

Let me tell the world now. I am biased. Mea culpa. I do not support the israelis. I think it's ironic that a country established by the UN for the benefit of a largely european population, primarily on the things that happened in europe, is the same country that has consistently thumbed its nose at the UN and called it biased and illegitimate. It's like a 2 year old on steroids.

In some respects, I admire Israel for wanting to establish the promised land and by ignoring the rights and interests of everyone outside that country. It has shown the way to operate in the brave new frontier. Weapons and merciless oppression. Like a rebirth of the Spartans, this country has a single-minded goal of the achieving that promised land. It demonstrates one of the big strengths of a religion....especially one that is so concentrated in relatively few people. You're either with us or against us.

In recent days, israel has sought to spark retaliation from iran. i think it wants to draw the US into a war. Australian will be by the side of both countries and some of the people posting here will be on the front line or their children and grandchildren. All to protect a vision of the promised land that many of them are excluded from. I can see generations in the future questioning why Australian youth died in such a senseless war. Shalom

 

[Markfs]

has betfair got odds on israel establishing the promised land? That would be too weird to deal with....

 

[Markfs]

more words from the UN. Do these guys ever get tired of talking? It must be thirsty business after talking all day. We have a lot of words posted in this thread and the process is a lot cheaper ...and has equal effect

 

[ellesbells]

People killing people, been happening since we stood upright, we're really not happy unless we're subjugating, torturing, controlling, raping, imprisoning or murdering someone.

There's a darkness in all of us that facilitates, allows or executes crimes of madness on a global scale, the self aware relish it, the unaware repress it and the enlightened look on in horror.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

has betfair got odds on israel establishing the promised land? That would be too weird to deal with....

How would you know when to result the market?

 

[vindaloo]

Agenda is used so often to criticise that some seem to think having an agenda is a negative thing.

Mark and JB clearly have an agenda with their posting regarding Israel. They're choosing to point out what they consider an atrocity. What's wrong with that?

You claim to have an agenda to focus on Ukraine - which would be good if believeable - although you never actually say anything about The Ukraine other than - Why aren't you guys saying anything about the Ukraine - so it isn't believable that you actually have that agenda - what is your agenda with the Ukraine stuff?

I did at the beginning. Unfortunately, there's a thing I was warned about on the radio, compassion fatigue I think it was. Over time, people become apathetic. Just like Israel/Gaza I/we can't change that conflict. Out government hasn't offered anywhere near the support for Ukraine as other nations, which has never been criticized in here. Because people don't care, just like they don't give a stuff about the war in Yemen as I said from the start, Arab on Arab - who cares right, doesn't fit your agenda.

On a different note I'd like to add that a lot of people supporting Palestine, or in between that are a part of extinction rebellion often reside in inner city leafy post-codes who, have more money and time to care about a two state solution in Gaza, or a climate solution, but once you step out into the real world - certainly the real world in this country and in the cost of living crisis people just want to put food on the table and are battling paying off their mortgages, I have less time to join a call to arms to solve such conflicts.
However, I'm politically aware, I detest the far-left in this country, and I despise their efforts to tare down a centrist government when we all know the alternative major party is such a miserly alternative.

 

[vindaloo]

I'd be far more concerned in the Australian government sympathised with Putin, even though you tell me that the position of our leaders is nothing in comparison to the position of some BF posters.

You have sympathies' with what Israel are up against and the terrorist attack where babies were beheaded surely?

 

[gouki88]

See this is what you do, you talk down the destruction in other places as a way of talking down the atrocities committed there.
You have failed at every turn to mention what Israel are up against, or skim past the terrorism that started this conflict. Which might give some understanding of an element of self-defence that is not the case with Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Is it perfectly reasonable now for me to be apathetic to the war in Israel in regard to Australia's response, I've strongly argued from the start that Australia has no influence with what happens there, same sort of reasoning why you couldn't give a stuff about the lives lost in Ukraine. Give me a break FFS!

An incredible pile of complete shit

 

[gouki88]

You have sympathies' with what Israel are up against and the terrorist attack where babies were beheaded surely?

I do enjoy that you've doubled down and are now just peddling propaganda that even the White House retracted

 

[sr36]

On a different note I'd like to add that a lot of people supporting Palestine, or in between that are a part of extinction rebellion often reside in inner city leafy post-codes who, have more money and time to care about a two state solution in Gaza, or a climate solution, but once you step out into the real world - certainly the real world in this country and in the cost of living crisis people just want to put food on the table and are battling paying off their mortgages, I have less time to join a call to arms to solve such conflicts.
However, I'm politically aware, I detest the far-left in this country, and I despise their efforts to tare down a centrist government when we all know the alternative major party is such a miserly alternative.

You stereotype and pigeonhole so much that you've become a stereotyped meme of yourself.

 

[Markfs]

How would you know when to result the market?

well i suppose you would have to put in place parameters. For instance, a lot of judea extends into jordan. We couldnt include that region because israel might take a while to decide to invade jordan....or maybe it would need to use a longterm starvation strategy to get them out of the middle east.

And then there's the question of gaza which traditionally hasnt been included in the promised land, as it was a canaanite region. I'm sure Zevs could explain it to you. However, the israeli settlers are itching to get back into gaza and have their holiday homes there....and there's a ton of perspective settlers back in europe who wouldnt mind coming to gaza and push the population off their land and get a great plot for nuttin. Of course, it would be a technicality to include it in the promised land.

So you're right. It's a tough question and the other issue is that the market might be reliant on the israelis making the declaration and as we've seen over the last 6 months, truth isnt their strong suit...

 

[vindaloo]

I do enjoy that you've doubled down and are now just peddling propaganda that even the White House retracted

Mass rape? Babies heads being chopped off? Does it really matter if this may or may not have occurred? The terrorist attack and what Israel are up against is never mentioned by those pushing an agenda. It's not acknowledged. Look, I've said it before it's terrible what's happening in Gaza, but at least acknowledge what it's up against? Sort of a false equivalence to what Russia is up against BTW which I'm sure you couldn't give a hoot about.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Mass rape? Babies heads being chopped off? Does it really matter if this may or may not have occurred?

Not if it’s born from a sense of entitlement based upon a millennia-old story book, cobbled together from even older stories borrowed from other cultures, with details slightly altered?

 

[Markfs]

Mass rape? Babies heads being chopped off? Does it really matter if this may or may not have occurred? The terrorist attack and what Israel are up against is never mentioned by those pushing an agenda. It's not acknowledged. Look, I've said it before it's terrible what's happening in Gaza, but at least acknowledge what it's up against? Sort of a false equivalence to what Russia is up against BTW which I'm sure you couldn't give a hoot about.

are you still at that fabrication about babies heads being chopped off? geez....

 

[Markfs]

i've still got two hamas terrorists under my bed to deal with..... these things take a while to work through if you lock the bedroom door and rely on starvation.

 

[Maggie5]

You're moral compass, and others, could be greatly imporved by giving a stuff about the atrocities in Ukraine.
My moral compass may not be working as perfectly as it could be, by I do have a moral compass and you could be not so pigheaded as to acknowledge some of my grievances in this thread.
FWIW, I've always acknowledged the wrongs committed by Israel since this war started.
It doesn't mean I can't be antipathetic to the actions happening here in Australia that you and others shout down. From chants of 'Where's the Jews', on October 8th. From Fayeh Tash burning down his burger store and blaming it on the Jewish community in Caufield. From Clementine Forde doxxing a Jewish community in Thornbury. The list has gone on and on creating an unsafe community here in Melbourne and all over Australia. My arguments have long been vindicated by the grevious behavour from some of the cretinous elements of the left.
If you weren't so pigheaded, you'd acknowledge that my grievances were well founded and legitimate.

Perhaps post your opinions in a less combative manner and name calling?

 

[Markfs]

This is on the SMH feed....



I havent seen what dutton has said, but this level of gutlessness is unaustralian. His disowns one of his own australians to blame hamas....

I wouldnt even spit on the ballot paper if he name was on it.

 

[leon123]

An incredible pile of complete s**t

That's an understatement

 

[Markfs]

I defend windy's right to have an opinion and to bribe and threaten gov't officials .....and reward them with holidays overseas. We cant forget democracy or the evil side of the world will win out....

 

[sideswipe]

I've bolded a poem. I call it Windy Bot

Can only take it personally when people smear inner-city leafy suburbs. Especially at this very difficult time of year when all the leaves are about to fall. The Council leaf sweepers can only do so much. The rest is left to little aussie battlers with green waste bins that don't have the leaf capacity.

First, they took away our right to burn leaves, then they made us pay for the bins.

 

[sr36]

Can only take it personally when people smear inner-city leafy suburbs. Especially at this very difficult time of year when all the leaves are about to fall. The Council leaf sweepers can only do so much. The rest is left to little aussie battlers with green waste bins that don't have the leaf capacity.

First, they took away our right to burn leaves, then they made us pay for the bins.

But they did give you blowers to make it your neighbours problem.