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Markfs said:
more necessary evil eh windy.... i presume that we'll be hearing more good v evil stuff over the coming weeks. So far it appears that one ichild has been injured. I think that will mean a lot of necessary evil inflicted on iran..
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I don't think Israel will do anything. It sounds like it was all for show.
 
Markfs said:
more necessary evil eh windy.... i presume that we'll be hearing more good v evil stuff over the coming weeks. So far it appears that one ichild has been injured. I think that will mean a lot of necessary evil inflicted on iran..
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Im talking from.the perspective of the iranians I know. Not from my perspective.
 
vindaloo said:
If you know a few Iranians, if it brought about regime change, then that would be a necessary evil.
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Yes, the removal of tyranny from Iraq in 2006 did such wonders for all involved.

I don't think it'll get that far, not even close, but I must marvel at your logic.

You know stuff.
 

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JB1975 said:
Yes, the removal of tyranny from Iraq in 2006 did such wonders for all involved.

I don't think it'll get that far, not even close, but I must marvel at your logic.

You know stuff.
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Met any Persians living here in aus?
Clearly I was talking from their perspective.
The shoe (theocratic regime) doesn't fit the foot (Persian people).I want what's best for their people. I have more of an afinity with Persians than I've met Israelis or Americans.

Can you go smoke a joint or take some valium your anger at me knows no bounds.
 
i was just thinking....if israel can somehow try to spark jordan into some form of retaliation, it would be a great opportunity to get the parts of judea and samaria which are past the west bank area that it is currently taking over....you know, to get a complete torah version of the promised land. I know that it would appear greedy but one has to be brave to achieve one's goals.
 
Well, the idiots went and did it. All thoughts for the people in Israel under bombardment.

The defence seems to have held up well, including notably Jordan shooting down many incoming drones, so that is some regional solidarity there.

Of note, this is basically any given night right now in Ukraine, with many of the same drones involved from the same source, and to which the West merely shrugs and haggles about providing surplus Patriot batteries, finding that too hard, and wrings its hands demanding Ukraine not hurt the RUssians too much or disrupt their precious oil. And countries who are overflown by Russian Shahed drones just watch and report.

The hypocrisy makes me too angry, so I will focus instead on the so far successful defence and hope for better times for all.
 
vindaloo said:
Met any Persians living here in aus?
Clearly I was talking from their perspective.
The shoe (theocratic regime) doesn't fit the foot (Persian people).I want what's best for their people. I have more of an afinity with Persians than I've met Israelis or Americans.

Can you go smoke a joint or take some valium your anger at me knows no bounds.
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are these persians from iran windy?
 
vindaloo said:
Met any Persians living here in aus?
Clearly I was talking from their perspective.
The shoe (theocratic regime) doesn't fit the foot (Persian people).I want what's best for their people. I have more of an afinity with Persians than I've met Israelis or Americans.

Can you go smoke a joint or take some valium your anger at me knows no bounds.
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Yes, I've met 'Persians' in Australia. Some of them are happy to call themselves Iranian.

I'm not sure that they'd like to see the indiscriminate bombing of their country, despite their antipathy to theocracy.

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I forget that you're sensitive. I forget that you have a hard time when people disagree with you.

I forget that, for people like you, being told that you're wrong or ignorant can feel like a hammer blow.

I'll try harder to remember.

But you must also remember, pet, that I'm not angry with you. I'm just underwhelmed.
 
JB1975 said:
Yes, I've met 'Persians' in Australia. Some of them are happy to call themselves Iranian.

I'm not sure that they'd like to see the indiscriminate bombing of their country, despite their antipathy to theocracy.

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I forget that you're sensitive. I forget that you have a hard time when people disagree with you.

I forget that, for people like you, being told that you're wrong or ignorant can feel like a hammer blow.

I'll try harder to remember.

But you must also remember, pet, that I'm not angry with you. I'm just underwhelmed.
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Have they been indiscriminately bombed?
Did I even suggest that I would actually think that that would be a good idea?
Can you go back and read my post please. Can you settle down a bit?
 
vindaloo said:
Have they been indiscriminately bombed?
Did I even suggest that I would actually think that that would be a good idea?
Can you go back and read my post please. Can you settle down a bit?
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I think you've taken too much valium.
 

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I just read that it would take 9 hours for the drones to reach israel from iran...9 hours? they must be very slow and easy to shoot down....and a couple of days ago, it was reported that iran and the US were talking through "back channels".... is this some face-saving exercise?
 
So as was probably predictable to anyone who stopped to think rather than listen to their inner dickhead, the horiffc events at Bondi Junction were nothing to do with terrorism, or politics of any kind.

As is still alas common, the perpetrator was someone with significant mental health issues, indicated as being schizophrenia, probably combined with significant drug use. Ice is a horrific drug, and it fries the brain beyond what anything else can really manage. And self medication with drugs like ice is unfortunately not uncommon for those afflicted.

I can understand the need to try to find motivations that we understand, or that help to provide a narrative that makes is feel less helpless, whether that is jumping at shadows to feed ones political agenda, or merely seeking simple answer to what are actually horribly complex situations, in the hope that it somehow makes it possible to stop things like this.

Unfortunately, it rarely works out that way. The very definition of schizophrenia is based on reality distortion. The reality is that the motivation of the perpetrator, to the extent it was coherent, was probably based on a reality only he could perceive, and its nature will have gone to the grave along with him. The terrible reality of our world, so advanced and so built upon our need to feel in control, even when we demonstrably are not, is that random awful shit can happen at any time, and random people can do horiffic things out of the blue, and so it will always be.

What we can perceive with out own eyes is the revolting ourbreak of speculation, overreach and downright lies being pushed on social media. I hopes this site would do something to maybe not be like that. Again I am disappointed, but not surprsied.

In the light of that some things are pertinent to point out.

Amongst the complete bullshit spouted by social and even regular media, a Jewish Australian has been named as the perpetrator by a major media outlet, incorrectly.. Oh to be first, and damn the consequences of being wrong. According to 7 West it wa an innocent mistake. there are no innocent mistakes like this, only malicious ones. That is what we have come to expect from that channel.

Second, for all the speculation of islamic terror erc etc, the only male so far confirmed killed by the perpetrator, other than himself, was Faraz Tahir, a refugee, and a muslim, who was the security guard who attempted to save others and paid for it with his life.

The sort of person so routinely villified by many on here, and the sort of person the dog whistles about terrorism, sought to frame as the likely perpetrator, died trying to save fellow Australians, many of whom are determined never to consider him as such.

There is evil ibn this world, I know that well enough. Much of it we can do nothing about. But there is stuff we can do something about, and this site can contribute or not by deciding how to moderate discussions like this.

It dropped the ball spectacularly, and forever will remain amongst the list of places that made things worse, when reaching for something else was most required.

I wish the injured a speedy recovery, and peace in their lives. I wish the families of those impacted comfort and peace too.
 
Mauvais Cheval said:
So as was probably predictable to anyone who stopped to think rather than listen to their inner dickhead, the horiffc events at Bondi Junction were nothing to do with terrorism, or politics of any kind.

As is still alas common, the perpetrator was someone with significant mental health issues, indicated as being schizophrenia, probably combined with significant drug use. Ice is a horrific drug, and it fries the brain beyond what anything else can really manage. And self medication with drugs like ice is unfortunately not uncommon for those afflicted.

I can understand the need to try to find motivations that we understand, or that help to provide a narrative that makes is feel less helpless, whether that is jumping at shadows to feed ones political agenda, or merely seeking simple answer to what are actually horribly complex situations, in the hope that it somehow makes it possible to stop things like this.

Unfortunately, it rarely works out that way. The very definition of schizophrenia is based on reality distortion. The reality is that the motivation of the perpetrator, to the extent it was coherent, was probably based on a reality only he could perceive, and its nature will have gone to the grave along with him. The terrible reality of our world, so advanced and so built upon our need to feel in control, even when we demonstrably are not, is that random awful s**t can happen at any time, and random people can do horiffic things out of the blue, and so it will always be.

What we can perceive with out own eyes is the revolting ourbreak of speculation, overreach and downright lies being pushed on social media. I hopes this site would do something to maybe not be like that. Again I am disappointed, but not surprsied.

In the light of that some things are pertinent to point out.

Amongst the complete bullshit spouted by social and even regular media, a Jewish Australian has been named as the perpetrator by a major media outlet, incorrectly.. Oh to be first, and damn the consequences of being wrong. According to 7 West it wa an innocent mistake. there are no innocent mistakes like this, only malicious ones. That is what we have come to expect from that channel.

Second, for all the speculation of islamic terror erc etc, the only male so far confirmed killed by the perpetrator, other than himself, was Faraz Tahir, a refugee, and a muslim, who was the security guard who attempted to save others and paid for it with his life.

The sort of person so routinely villified by many on here, and the sort of person the dog whistles about terrorism, sought to frame as the likely perpetrator, died trying to save fellow Australians, many of whom are determined never to consider him as such.

There is evil ibn this world, I know that well enough. Much of it we can do nothing about. But there is stuff we can do something about, and this site can contribute or not by deciding how to moderate discussions like this.

It dropped the ball spectacularly, and forever will remain amongst the list of places that made things worse, when reaching for something else was most required.

I wish the injured a speedy recovery, and peace in their lives. I wish the families of those impacted comfort and peace too.
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It's a bizarre thing when the media and social media try to connect something like this to an ideology or a group. It was one man with a knife - it was pretty obviously someone in the grips of psychosis. Even if he's yelling out an ideological slogan, it's not a planned rationale terrorist attack - it's a guy in the grips of psychosis.
 
isnt it a responsibility of every adult to question what is told to them....especially by people who have a long history of chasing clicks.

It seems that things started, at least in dorset, by a woman called rachel riley who compares a puzzle show on british television. I kid you not. She's also involved in dancing shows...She received an MBE in 2023 for her services to Holocaust Education.....

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You hear stories about people dying and their loved ones regretting not telling them that they are loved. Never allow the obvious to go unsaid...

So the US has told Israel that it wont participate in its response to the Iranian (or should i call it Persian?) attack. I must admit that it never occurred to me that any country would be so stupid to join Israel in retaliating for Iran's retaliation. It reminds me about how the First World War started when some archduke in the balkans got shot and the dominos fell and hey presto, tens of millions dead.

But maybe we should be thankful for small mercies, in that at least the US limited its stupidity at this stage. However, it's so tied to Israel that it's never going to let its little brother go out alone for long. And as we know, Israel wants a war with Iran for oh so many reasons...

I can see Albo inspecting the troops as they get on a US troop ship and are ferried off to war.
 
Markfs said:
isnt it a responsibility of every adult to question what is told to them....especially by people who have a long history of chasing clicks.

It seems that things started, at least in dorset, by a woman called rachel riley who compares a puzzle show on british television. I kid you not. She's also involved in dancing shows...She received an MBE in 2023 for her services to Holocaust Education.....

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Could you maybe have gone too early and not considered other points of view?

Could Ms Riley be referring to the visual appearance of the horrific violence in Bondi being similar in nature and appearance to the "Knife Intifada" of 2015-16.

Is a visual reference automatically assumed to be ideologically biased?
 
ZEV said:
Could you maybe have gone too early and not considered other points of view?

Could Ms Riley be referring to the visual appearance of the horrific violence in Bondi being similar in nature and appearance to the "Knife Intifada" of 2015-16.

Is a visual reference automatically assumed to be ideologically biased?
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ZEV said:
Could you maybe have gone too early and not considered other points of view?

Could Ms Riley be referring to the visual appearance of the horrific violence in Bondi being similar in nature and appearance to the "Knife Intifada" of 2015-16.

Is a visual reference automatically assumed to be ideologically biased?
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Do you ever give yourself a back injury bending over backwards trying to defend the indefensible?

This by the way, right here, is why I contend you are no better than markfs. You are as blind, and as one sided.
 
ZEV said:
Could you maybe have gone too early and not considered other points of view?

Could Ms Riley be referring to the visual appearance of the horrific violence in Bondi being similar in nature and appearance to the "Knife Intifada" of 2015-16.

Is a visual reference automatically assumed to be ideologically biased?
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Zevie,

Read my post again. It's just up above this. I said that she wrote something and I quoted part of it and provided the link to all of it. I made no comment on it. I said that she was a game-show hostess. I said that she provided services to a holocaust education centre and subsequently got an MBE.

What you inferred from my post is what you inferred. I made a comment that people should look to see who writes the news or opinion pieces.
 
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