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I get that this is a fairly intense topic about which opinion can diverge rather significantly. If you feel you cannot be respectful in your disagreement with another poster, it is frequently better to refuse to engage than it is to take up the call.

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"They're informants. If they get killed, they've got it coming. They deserve it."

Julian Assange


I'm surprised he didn't advocate for himself to receive the death penalty.

he seems to have the traits of a lot of australian publishers. maybe we should give them all a few years in solitary confinement to sort them out...
 
he seems to have the traits of a lot of australian publishers. maybe we should give them all a few years in solitary confinement to sort them out...

Good that's he's now free. However, he did plead guilty to espionage and got sentenced for publishing leaks - so not much to celebrate from the freedom of the press perspective.
 

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Good that's he's now free. However, he did plead guilty to espionage and got sentenced for publishing leaks - so not much to celebrate from the freedom of the press perspective.

i think about this question.....if an american went to europe and published some top secret stuff from australia, would the english deport that american to australia to face australian laws? would they hold him in jail for 5 years? would the americans be as polite as australian representatives were?
 
Good that's he's now free. However, he did plead guilty to espionage and got sentenced for publishing leaks - so not much to celebrate from the freedom of the press perspective.

Another thing came to me.... have you introduced yourself to the local australian ambassador and maybe lower officials over there? Maybe your not that important, but have you reached up as far as you can go? Gone to embassy dinners? etc etc
 
But your cool with the Afghans named by Wikileaks who were most likely, along with their families, tortured then executed?
The only issue I have with your post above is that Assange actually never did release the cables with informants' names still visible in the text. He may have been considering the possiblity of doing so, but subsequently decided against.
 
"They're informants. If they get killed, they've got it coming. They deserve it."

Julian Assange


I'm surprised he didn't advocate for himself to receive the death penalty.
Unfortunately, you're spreading false information (in the same way as all detractors of Julian Assange do). Gutter journalist Nick Cohen (one of those cnut journalists who profited out of the initial revelations of Wikileaks, and then subsequently joined in the campaign to assassinate Julian's character) wrote this article (linked below) where he explains that Assange did (allegedly) utter this statement at a dinner table, but subsequently decided to redact the names afterall.
Cohen was intent on destroying Assange's reputation, so he would have had no interest in admitting that Assange in fact did not release the names of Afghan informants.
 
The only issue I have with your post above is that Assange actually never did release the cables with informants' names still visible in the text. He may have been considering the possiblity of doing so, but subsequently decided against.
He got talked out of them going on Wikileaks but they went up on another site.
 
Unfortunately, you're spreading false information (in the same way as all would be reputation killers of Julian Assange do). Gutter journalist Nick Cohen (one of those cnut journalists who profited out of the initial revelations of Wikileaks, and then subsequently joined in the campaign to assassinate Julian's character) wrote this article (linked below) where he explains that Assange did (allegedly) utter this statement at a dinner table, but subsequently decided to redact the names afterall.
Cohen was intent on destroying Assange's reputation, so he would have had no interest in admitting that Assange in fact did not release the names of Afghan informants.
 
"They're informants. If they get killed, they've got it coming. They deserve it."

Julian Assange


I'm surprised he didn't advocate for himself to receive the death penalty.
Revealing the fact that, even though you miserably try to disguise it, you are all in favour of governments covering up their war crimes, and anyone who exposes them is a criminal. Disgusting comment, worthy of a disgusting outlook.
 
He got talked out of them going on Wikileaks but they went up on another site.
Yeah, and guess what. It was Cohen who "inadvertently" released on the internet a link to the website where Assange had stored the Afghan cables, and had not yet taken down.
The cnut Cohen wrote this article in a desperate attempt to deflect the responsiblity for releasing the names of the informants away from himself and back onto Assange.
So f....ing stop spreading lies.
 
Revealing the fact that, even though you miserably try to disguise it, you are all in favour of governments covering up their war crimes, and anyone who exposes them is a criminal. Disgusting comment, worthy of a disgusting outlook.
That's not what I'm saying at all. Just saying that he was an irresponsible publisher.

And a hypocrite. An informant who wished death on people for being informants.
 

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That's not what I'm saying at all. Just saying that he was an irresponsible publisher.

And a hypocrite. An informant who wished death on people for being informants.
Wishing is different from publishing.
Where is your outrage against Obama, who regularly ordered drone attacks in Afghanistan, killing unknown numbers of innocent civilians, and incinerated the Kunduz hospital ?
Where is your indignation at US support for the genocide in Gaza?
Where is your acknowledgement even that genocide is occurring?
The lady protesteth too much.
You protest about the wishes (not the actual actions though) of Julian Assange to potentially harm collaborators in Afghanistan, but have not mentioned at any stage your indignation of the slaughter of innocent Afghani people by the US (and Australian) armies!!
 
Wishing is different from publishing.
Where is your outrage against Obama, who regularly ordered drone attacks in Afghanistan, killing unknown numbers of innocent civilians, and incinerated the Kunduz hospital ?
Where is your indignation at US support for the genocide in Gaza?
Where is your acknowledgement even that genocide is occurring?
The lady protesteth too much.
You protest about the wishes (not the actual actions though) of Julian Assange to potentially harm collaborators in Afghanistan, but have not mentioned at any stage your indignation of the slaughter of innocent Afghani people by the US (and Australian) armies!!
Nor have you even found out yet that genocide is occurring in Gaza!!
Some things don't come up in every conversation.

I'll try to put together a list of all the things I don't like to see if you approve...

1. I don't like Rwandan or Burundian massacres.

2. I hated those musk stick lollies when I was a kid, but haven't revisited them for years. Perhaps my opinion has changed.

3. I'm not a fan of strange whatabout rants...
 
Some things don't come up in every conversation.

I'll try to put together a list of all the things I don't like to see if you approve...

1. I don't like Rwandan or Burundian massacres.

2. I hated those musk stick lollies when I was a kid, but haven't revisited them for years. Perhaps my opinion has changed.

3. I'm not a fan of strange whatabout rants...
Clearly, you're not a fan of the truth either.
 
You've just agreed that what I said was true - although I'd use the less definite credible or perhaps to be more on trend plausible.

It's my interpretation of it that kicked off your rant.
Nah, mate. It was you (and the Zionist Zev) who claimed that Assange revealed the names of Afghan informants, when he did not.
Nothing you have said in this thread regarding Julian Assange is true.
 
Nah, mate. It was you who claimed that Assange revealed the names of Afghan informants, when he did not.
Nothing you have said in this thread regarding Julian Assange is true.
Even in the Wikileaks site he failed to redact hundreds of names and/or identifying information. And then he, a brilliant hacker and not an it klutz, put a heap of other documents unredacted up on an open website ...

You can try to say that isn't revealing names, but ...
 
Even in the Wikileaks site he failed to redact hundreds of names and/or identifying information. And then he, a brilliant hacker, put a heap of other documents unredacted up on an open website ...
Just explained to you that this website was not public, but required a link to access, which was released to the internet by cnut journalists (including Nick Cohen whom I have arleady cited) because they thought they could profit from the "scoop".
Cohen had been collaborating with Assange prior to this, for his own self-interest. When backlash occurred due to the release of these names, Cohen tried to blame Assange.
 
Just explained to you that this website was not public, but required a link to access, which was released to the internet by cnut journalists (including Nick Cohen whom I have arleady cited) because they thought they could profit from the "scoop".
Cohen had been collaborating with Assange prior to this, for his own self-interest. When backlash occurred due to the release of these names, Cohen tried to blame Assange.
It required a link to access? That's some hard core security - a bit like bigfooty.
 
Just explained to you that this website was not public, but required a link to access, which was released to the internet by cnut journalists (including Nick Cohen whom I have arleady cited) because they thought they could profit from the "scoop".
Cohen had been collaborating with Assange prior to this, for his own self-interest. When backlash occurred due to the release of these names, Cohen tried to blame Assange.
Again, going to bizarre lengths to defend someone who has done some very questionable things
 

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