Skunk 07
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apologies to Perkins, I got my fat albert centres mixed up
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apologies to Perkins, I got my fat albert centres mixed up
I'd like to hear a case for why Stoudemire is a better player, other than rep.
Amare averages 22.9 points per 36 minutes, playing with Steve Nash.
Bogut averages 17.9points per 36 minutes, playing with...Jennings and Salmons.
Everything else is skewed heavily in favour of Bogut, from rebounding to passing to leadership to defense - and yes, the huge gap in defensive skill matters a lot.
That's a pretty weird statement, given his "rep" has been earnt from his play.
I would also like to see how you measure leadership.
Very ambiguous statement.
That's a pretty weird statement, given his "rep" has been earnt from his play.
I would also like to see how you measure leadership.
Very ambiguous statement.
His "rep" was earnt on the back of his play 3-5 years ago, when he was one of the most ridiculous offensive big men ever to play the game. He has been nowhere near that level for a couple of years.
As for leadership, come on. This is guy that's had to be coddled by Nash and the coaches through-out his career, and still needs to be reminded to play D on a daily basis.
There's a good reason for the Suns not being able to get more than Hickson and a late 1st for him.
Look, Bogut is having a stellar year, probably better than Stoudemire's. But to this date, Stoudemire has been a better player, and will probably continue to be so. Maybe in a few years we'd say Bogut, but not yet.
Stodemire definately benefits from the Nash factor. You only have to look at Marion's stats now to see how Nash helps. But still, he is an amazing player. When he gets going he is probably up there with LBJ and Melo as far as an unstoppable force goes.
At the same time, Bogut is stuck with a pretty weak team, and has played great. But he will never be the absolutely dominant force Stoudemire can be. he wont score 40 and grab 20. He'll drop 25 and get 20 boards and 5 blocks, which for some teams can be better than a 40-20. But Stoudemire is just a better player.
Stoudemire could be the best player on an NBA Champion, Bogut couldn't. He could be the foundation stone for a championship team, but not it's best player.
The big mark against Stoudemire is his defense, and if he can get it to respectable levels then the debate will be over.
No we can quite easily say that Bogut>Amare.
He can't be the best player on a Championship team if his defence is barely servicable
I really really hope that Bogut overtakes him, but Bogut has put together about a good month of ball and that's his whole resume to say he's better than Stoudemire, Who has had some fantastic games in the past month anyway
Bogut is better than Amare and Oden.
Bogut is certainly above, although perhaps not clearly above Amare.
I'd like to hear a case for why Stoudemire is a better player, other than rep.
Is Amar'e even the leader at Phoenix? I'd say Nash and Benjamin Button are the leaders.
No we can quite easily say that Bogut>Amare.
Stoudemire could be the best player on an NBA Champion, Bogut couldn't. He could be the foundation stone for a championship team, but not it's best player.
The big mark against Stoudemire is his defense, and if he can get it to respectable levels then the debate will be over.
Scott Thompson, too.
Look, Bogut is having a stellar year, probably better than Stoudemire's. But to this date, Stoudemire has been a better player, and will probably continue to be so. Maybe in a few years we'd say Bogut, but not yet.
Stodemire definately benefits from the Nash factor. You only have to look at Marion's stats now to see how Nash helps. But still, he is an amazing player. When he gets going he is probably up there with LBJ and Melo as far as an unstoppable force goes.
At the same time, Bogut is stuck with a pretty weak team, and has played great. But he will never be the absolutely dominant force Stoudemire can be. he wont score 40 and grab 20. He'll drop 25 and get 20 boards and 5 blocks, which for some teams can be better than a 40-20. But Stoudemire is just a better player.
Stoudemire could be the best player on an NBA Champion, Bogut couldn't. He could be the foundation stone for a championship team, but not it's best player.
The big mark against Stoudemire is his defense, and if he can get it to respectable levels then the debate will be over.
Scarecrow, the words you have used more than any others in your arguments are 'when', 'if', 'could', 'was' and 'has'.
Scarecrow, the words you have used more than any others in your arguments are 'when', 'if', 'could', 'was' and 'has'.