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Russell to step away at season’s end
Andrew Russell will step away from football at the conclusion of the 2024 AFL season.
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It's interesting to finally get some words directly from Russell himself.
What I'm struggling with is that for a guy who is supposedly starting a business aimed at mentoring high performance in senior leadership roles, he is very quick to point the finger of responsibility away from himself. That's not what I expect of a strong leader.
What I'm struggling with is that for a guy who is supposedly starting a business aimed at mentoring high performance in senior leadership roles, he is very quick to point the finger of responsibility away from himself. That's not what I expect of a strong leader.
I love how the article only talks about this year, it was diabolical well before that
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Well before Russell's appointment, even
Correct El T, he was brought in to fix the mess and somehow made it worse
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Just happy to move on from this guy really.
I don't know much about sports science or high performance, or exactly what they do, but I don't think his methods and he himself were the right fit for us any more.
Just wasn't working, for whatever reasons. Sometimes a refresh or reset can be a very good thing for a playing group imo. Believe the same thing about coaches that they should be replaced every 5-6 years (if not getting results) as they become "stale" to the group, but I digress.
Fresh ideas and methods can hopefully rejuvenate some and it appears Innes' methods of more "power and speed" emphasis are gelling with the group, going off recent reports. Early doors, but nonetheless, good news imo.
With LM getting rid of the injury prone players etc and Innes' methods seemingly working so far, I think we are going to continue to see this group get better and better.
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I don't know much about sports science or high performance, or exactly what they do, but I don't think his methods and he himself were the right fit for us any more.
Just wasn't working, for whatever reasons. Sometimes a refresh or reset can be a very good thing for a playing group imo. Believe the same thing about coaches that they should be replaced every 5-6 years (if not getting results) as they become "stale" to the group, but I digress.
Fresh ideas and methods can hopefully rejuvenate some and it appears Innes' methods of more "power and speed" emphasis are gelling with the group, going off recent reports. Early doors, but nonetheless, good news imo.
With LM getting rid of the injury prone players etc and Innes' methods seemingly working so far, I think we are going to continue to see this group get better and better.
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Difficult to comment on this topic, somehow we've burnt two very highly regarded and respected high performance coaches in the past decade or so, David Buttifant and Andrew Russell both considered close to the best in their field at the time of recruiting.
Lets hope our new fitness guru Rob Inness is the lucky third.
Lets hope our new fitness guru Rob Inness is the lucky third.
ahhh the sweet sweet smell of sarcasm. Hooked a couple.
They'll turn on inness too, give it time
Luckily we have moved on most of our injury prone types
Yes and while we're on the topic, Walsh looks like a complete beefcake now, there goes all his aerobic capacity and agility.
Will be like a bus coming at the OP now, will probably turn like one too...
Damn that Inness
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I think it can be a problem at times getting "best in class" already in this field.
You see many overseas teams in different sports moving on their high performance staff quite regularly for people who are seen as less talented/reputable at the time and having success.
Almost as though there's an air of "I'm not going to fix what isn't broken and will continue doing what I have a track record of doing..."
The problem with that philosophy is that the sport is constantly evolving. What worked so well for Russell at the Hawks is antiquated now. Football is not played the same way. His strength and impact style suited the contested era of football perfectly. But now we're in an era that demands speed and power and rewards skill and space.
Reading about how McInnes has pushed the team in speed and power rather than grinding the body to play an outdated style is already a winner for me.
If he doesn't change his ways with a changing AFL, absolutely. Russell refused to see the state of play an adapt. Buttifant was the same. Got both of those guys at the end of the era they were built for.
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What injured players, I didn’t see any injured players, no one would make that connection.
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Listening to that interview was painful. He reeked of self-satisfaction and took every opportunity to deflect blame.
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What a train wreck.
He was trying to sell his business where he takes everything he learned in high performance and applies it to our every day lives. Presumably he's selling long term injuries as a lifestyle choice.
I got that sense too. Though to be fair, it wouldnt be very advantageous for him to take accountability. Everybody already thinks his tenure with us was a disaster. Needs to do whatever he can to dispel that for his future career prospects.
Well, not everybody mm
….some holding on for dear life
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I think what people fail to give a lot of thought to is the difficulty of the job.
It’s probably the single most difficult position given that u act on & work with people who are driven primarily by there own self interest.
The players lie, they are driven to retain their spot, perform & play.
How often do u think they hold back how they are actually feeling - how often do they not even fully grasp where their body is at - they get smashed continually, there’s always a level of injury.
The players feedback is what’s relied upon to make decisions.
You have the coach wanting/hoping to believe the players they want are available, club has massive pressure to perform at every level.
Injured people are also unhappy, the loudest voice is usually the dissenting one. They cast doubt & create a shit environment - not having a go at them, just stating u usually aren’t happy when you’re in pain & can’t do your job.
The build up of repeat injuries to individuals also casts doubt on the effectiveness of the program - that doubt hurts everyone.
I’m happy we have reset, if for nothing other than a fresh voice & “new dawn”.
Just being in a more positive environment will help (cutting a heap of constantly injured players goes a long way to helping that to).
When u stop and think about it, there’s so many levels to it all & that’s not even looking at the actual programs/training.
It’s probably the single most difficult position given that u act on & work with people who are driven primarily by there own self interest.
The players lie, they are driven to retain their spot, perform & play.
How often do u think they hold back how they are actually feeling - how often do they not even fully grasp where their body is at - they get smashed continually, there’s always a level of injury.
The players feedback is what’s relied upon to make decisions.
You have the coach wanting/hoping to believe the players they want are available, club has massive pressure to perform at every level.
Injured people are also unhappy, the loudest voice is usually the dissenting one. They cast doubt & create a shit environment - not having a go at them, just stating u usually aren’t happy when you’re in pain & can’t do your job.
The build up of repeat injuries to individuals also casts doubt on the effectiveness of the program - that doubt hurts everyone.
I’m happy we have reset, if for nothing other than a fresh voice & “new dawn”.
Just being in a more positive environment will help (cutting a heap of constantly injured players goes a long way to helping that to).
When u stop and think about it, there’s so many levels to it all & that’s not even looking at the actual programs/training.
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Who, the club? They didn't exactly back him in to stay, did they? If you're throwing stones at the critics, then I assume your contention is that the club got this wrong. You're also criticising Austin, Lloyd, possibly Voss and maybe Cook.
There comes a time when calling out everyone who is critical of club personnel, becomes critical of club personnel, just by backing in a horse that they no longer back.
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I think Arr0w was referring to posters?
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Whatever has transpired is in the past. I'm happy Innes is concentrating on power and speed.
I'm at a loss to understand how we were supposedly doing 80% skill based training and 13% endurance based training when Russell was there, when endurance seemed to be the only thing in evidence on game day.
I'm at a loss to understand how we were supposedly doing 80% skill based training and 13% endurance based training when Russell was there, when endurance seemed to be the only thing in evidence on game day.
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He was. My response is to highlight that the club let him go, so obviously felt a move was necessary. If we attack anyone who was critical of Russell, then we have to include the club in that as well. They let him go. They allegedly hampered him via recruiting, lack of rehab access, and all of those personnel have input into the structure of the system.
Just want to make it clear that in calling out posters for being critical, that we have to call pit those still at the club ... that is, if we truly believe Russell's version of events without question.
Me, I'm open to being critical of staff, or at least asking the question and having the discussion. Blind loyalty to every single person at the club, and the attempt to diminish or belittle any and all criticism, does nobody any favours.
Not sack xyz, they suck type posts, but feel free to question coaching, development, recruiting, players, management and board for things that seem to waning under their auspices. Constructive and expansive debate is healthy.
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Agreed. Those posters who were on the wrong side of history on this one probably need to acknowledge that you're not automatically right just because you're defending someone from the club.
And it's not a justification for belittling others.
Russell is gone now so who cares?
The club is off to a great start with Inness - we've not heard from him and I hope we never do. He's just quietly getting on with the job and I hope we never even have to think about him. Good luck to him.
Jack martin will be an interesting watch this year lol
Unless people are in the inner sanctum, they would have absolutely no idea regarding certain staff, not HP, not Lloyd, etc
The best, belated decision the club made made was moving on the injury prone players
I couldn't give a stuff, if your name is Russell, Inness, or Yogi Bear, everyone plays a part in success or failure
The best, belated decision the club made made was moving on the injury prone players
I couldn't give a stuff, if your name is Russell, Inness, or Yogi Bear, everyone plays a part in success or failure
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Right, so without knowing what is going on in the inner sanctum, it is entirely appropriate to ask questions about any of these areas under the auspices of any of these personnel, IF those areas show reason for concern, over a period of time.
Let's not suggest that people were up in arms about our injury list because Martin, Marchbank, Cunningham and Sam Durdin were on it all the time. Consistently having an injury list in the teens was the cause of the angst.
If many are the cause of failure, and I'm inclined to agree, do we discuss many, any or none because we don't know?
Are we more likely to talk about the high performance guy over the CEO when it comes to persistent injuries? Sure, the CEO should be getting feedback from the footy boss, who is getting feedback from the medical staff and the HPM. I'm reasonably confident that Cook would have been doing that, but there is a chance he never thought to ask. We are are sort of looking at likelihoods as a first port of call.
But sure, people should have been looking at the medical staff for players getting injured again upon return. I mean, they did, but not by name because they don't have a profile.
They should have looked at the footy boss for not finding the answers and implementing a plan perhaps. Except they did, and Brad Lloyd has received plenty of backlash for things that are under his direct field of supervision.
Nick Austin has received criticism for keeping players on the list instead of turning it over.
And so it goes ....
In politics, when the electorate is not seeing results, they change representatives. They don't know if their initial choice did work hard enough for them or not. They do know that their expectations weren't met however. The person had 3 or 4 years to justify the faith placed in them.
The notion that you don't question or encourage that person to do better or show receipts as to how they have earned your trust, because you don't know what is going on behind the scenes is quite simply ... undemocratic. It's asking for more of the same.
My simple philosophy when it comes to Carlton, is that we trust until given reason not to trust. People reach that point at different times.
If the list returns after xmas too lean, and not strong enough, I might ponder Innes and his directions. I'll definitely ponder whether this is a result of Yogi stealing all of their pic-a-nic baskets.
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