Anthony Albanese - How long? -3-

[SBD Gonzalez]

Damm those media magnates giving people a product they want to consume.

If only they just read what we told them they should read.

Here we go again…

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I think they will lose another few seats to Teals. Dutton will lose his own seat. They will pick up some in WA and close gaps but not take many in outer suburbs. they might get Pococks senate seat back as he has been useless but only if they put a moderate not if it is a minion of Zed the nutter

Hung parliament with Teals guaranteeing supply to Labour as they are closer to them on policy.

Duttons nuclear brain fade killed what little chance we had.

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In what way has Pocock been useless? I don’t follow him all that closely but my general impression is he’s seen as a bit of a leader in the senate. Happy to be corrected.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

From his imagination or his anecdotal evidence gathered from his own echo chamber.

Old Mate dresses his/her/their/its posts in more intellectual gloss, but in reality I’m getting the feeling they’re as much of a barracker as Xtreme.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I guess the other votes they think they're getting are based on the referendum but there's no actual evidence the Libs can take those seats.

Australian referenda and general elections are very different beasts. It would be very foolish to extrapolate too hard from the Voice referendum.

 

[kalex6251]

paul fletcher resigning suggests he knows whats coming in his seat

that or he cant stomach the idea of an ex-qld coppa authoritarian running the joint

or both

 

[The Punter]

one seat disestablished, others not at risk(except maybe Curtin) and could easily pick up Deakin, Menzies and Bradfield.


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I'm confident the Liberals will hold on to Menzies, despite the redistribution. Bradfield is a big worry. Deakin might be sufficiently outer suburban to pose little threat.

 

[Saint]

I'm confident the Liberals will hold on to Menzies, despite the redistribution. Bradfield is a big worry. Deakin might be sufficiently outer suburban to pose little threat.

Yeah, I don't think Menzies or Deakin will be lost, unless it's to a Teal. Both might be susceptible to that being fairly green areas. Deakin was only just held, but I think the COL will be a bit whack to the ALP in those suburbs.

The redistribution is strange that its added Box Hill (Central) to Menzies, which is completely different in character to what Menzies electorate has always been.

Also added Mont Albert and Surrey Hills. Menzies is now a very diverse electorate, hard to predict.

If I were the LNP, I'd be more worried about Casey. A new teal candidate who got 8% as an independent last election. Electorate has 13% Greens and 8% UAP/ON. Not sure the MP has done enough to stop a further splintering from major parties to independents.

 

[Rob R]

In what way has Pocock been useless? I don’t follow him all that closely but my general impression is he’s seen as a bit of a leader in the senate. Happy to be corrected.

Locally he has been condemned as quiet when Feds were screwing public servants around and hasn't actually said or acheieved much until the electoral reforms impacted on his own job security other than flip flopping on the abc.



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[MPMonkeys]

Most people consume what is put in front of them. Maybe they'll have a particular commercial 6pm news bulletin they watch based on the presenter or a show they watch just before, but if they are all sensationalist fluff, doesn't really matter. If they read a state/national paper, it's almost guaranteed to be Murdoch or NineFairfax. Similar with news sites. Talkback radio is quite conservative.

The job of news media isn't to coddle, provide familiar points, or entertain, it's to inform. Some "news" media take advantage of people's issues and fears, to provide them false scapegoats and narratives, while generating outrage and clicks/views/listens, and distracting the audience while the issues continue unabated.

Books are to purely inform.
The media's job is to summarise information and provide it in a way that is easily consumeable.

Some of you make me laugh. Do you want news readers reading out of a text book each night with no video?
Or a newspaper with no headlines and pages upon pages on the same story?

 

[MPMonkeys]

They're not winning back teal seats behind a nuclear policy. This teal problem isn't just going to magically go away for them.

I guess the other votes they think they're getting are based on the referendum but there's no actual evidence the Libs can take those seats.

Daniel and Ryan are both goners at the next election.
Bookmark it.

 

[Saint]

Daniel and Ryan are both goners at the next election.
Bookmark it.

Based on what?

Do you live in one of the areas? Has something changed from the last election?

Frydenberg was a bad candidate but they've got a better one?

 

[Gavin Excell]

Daniel and Ryan are both goners at the next election.
Bookmark it.

Dunno about Ryan but Daniel should remain

 

[MPMonkeys]

Based on what?

Do you live in one of the areas? Has something changed from the last election?

Frydenberg was a bad candidate but they've got a better one?

Based on them both being useless.

Kooyong has always had a prominent member representing them. Ryan has shown she is an empty vessel whilst Daniel just pushes what the ABC wants pushed.

But effectively they are goners for the same reasons a lot of Labor members are in trouble. It will be a bloodbath next election for Labor and the Teals will suffer along with them.

 

[blueboy25]

Daniel and Ryan are both goners at the next election.
Bookmark it.

You seriously think Tim Wilson will win the seat back?

 

[Bloods86]

Books are to purely inform.
The media's job is to summarise information and provide it in a way that is easily consumeable.

Some of you make me laugh. Do you want news readers reading out of a text book each night with no video?
Or a newspaper with no headlines and pages upon pages on the same story?

No need to rush to hyperbole. Though it is easier for you I guess.

Accuracy and objectivity don't need a textbook.

You can improve headlines to reduce framing of particular issues, and improve the same segments/articles with a bit of historical context and fact-checking of political figures, without spending pages/an hour on it.

You can also improve sources. e.g. NewsCorp often puts up finance/economic articles written by finance executives or based on conservative thinktanks, as if they won't be framing content in ways to serve the interests of the already rich and powerful, or political parties that serve them better.

 

[Rob R]

Locally he has been condemned as quiet when Feds were screwing public servants around and hasn't actually said or acheieved much until the electoral reforms impacted on his own job security other than flip flopping on the abc.



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Really comes down to the liberal candidate. Cooker and he wins, moderate and he loses

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[MPMonkeys]

No need to rush to hyperbole. Though it is easier for you I guess.

Accuracy and objectivity don't need a textbook.

You can improve headlines to reduce framing of particular issues, and improve the same segments/articles with a bit of historical context and fact-checking of political figures, without spending pages/an hour on it.

You can also improve sources. e.g. NewsCorp often puts up finance/economic articles written by finance executives or based on conservative thinktanks, as if they won't be framing content in ways to serve the interests of the already rich and powerful, or political parties that serve them better.

Don't read it then.

 

[peetoo]

You can’t simultaneously run ‘voters will punish labor for cost of living’ and ‘voters will abandon teals’ arguments.

Makes no sense

 

[faible]

You can’t simultaneously run ‘voters will punish labor for cost of living’ and ‘voters will abandon teals’ arguments.

Makes no sense

Well, you can if you don't care about sense.

 

[MPMonkeys]

You can’t simultaneously run ‘voters will punish labor for cost of living’ and ‘voters will abandon teals’ arguments.

Makes no sense

Makes perfect sense.
Teals are associated with Greens and Labor.

 

[JackOutback]

Books are to purely inform.
The media's job is to summarise information and provide it in a way that is easily consumeable.

Some of you make me laugh. Do you want news readers reading out of a text book each night with no video?
Or a newspaper with no headlines and pages upon pages on the same story?

The West Australian has an editorial today arguing that Albanese shouldn't have been wasting his time trying to get members of the Bali Nine back when he should be focused on cost of living. Like governments can't chew gum and walk at the same time. Trying to pretend our current media exists to summarise information and not direct the political narrative is either wilful or ignorant, pick your poison.

 

[kalex6251]

feedback i get from people in ryans electorate:

• her office is responsive
• they like her

small sample so make of it what you will

 

[peetoo]

Makes perfect sense.
Teals are associated with Greens and Labor.

We aint voting liberal though. Dutton sneers at us and as Howard said, you can’t fatten a pig on market day

Liberals have had swings towards in just 3 of the last 8 elections

 

[MPMonkeys]

The West Australian has an editorial today arguing that Albanese shouldn't have been wasting his time trying to get members of the Bali Nine back when he should be focused on cost of living. Like governments can't chew gum and walk at the same time. Trying to pretend our current media exists to summarise information and not direct the political narrative is either wilful or ignorant, pick your poison.

Hard to assess without seeing the article although on face value it seems unfair.

Who reads editorials anyway?

 

[nut]

Caught in a cleft stick. The economy's in good shape - too good.