Anthony Albanese - How long? -3-

[peetoo]

What's Albo's argument going to be?

Renewables are cheaper?
More reliable?
Nuclear technology is unsafe?

Labor has zero credibility on these points.

But they are doing what the rest of the world is doing, and investment dollars agree.

 

[Rotayjay]

When do you think this inability to afford a home (in the nation's capital cities) began getting out of reach of the average wage earner? Early 2000s?

Roughly then (when Johnny Howard discounted CGT and real Melbourne house prices doubled in four years). But every decade we say 'surely it can't get more unaffordable' and the prices say 'hold my beer'.

 

[Festerz]

Caught in a cleft stick. The economy's in good shape - too good.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

But they are doing what the rest of the world is doing, and investment dollars agree.

This is where the supporters of so-called free market capitalism suddenly either become temporary socialists (hundreds of billions of taxpayers' money to build an entire nuclear industry anyone?), or (as in this case) flat-out deny that two plus two makes four.

Doesn't matter if you're an mum-and-dad investor, or if you're a nation's government. You can either be on the renewables bus, or you can be run over by it.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Serious question, how are the Libs going to hammer Labor at the next election? Doubt they'll win teal seats back, in fact they may have other inner city seats at risk with the nuclear policy. They are miles behind going into this election, I really don't see how they hammer Labor and actually struggle to see how they even win.

I think they will get all but two of the Teal seats back.
But the real wins are going to be in the middle to outer suburbs. Labor are hemorrhaging votes out there. We are going to see seats that are safe Labor become marginal. And any seat with less than a 10% margin to labor is now in play.

 

[MPMonkeys]

You do realise energy bills are cheaper by more than 30 per cent with the rebates in place yeah?, there's data that backs this up. People are better off than they were 2 years ago and would be much worse off with the other mob in control and without the rebates so stop peddling nonsense. If you do the maths it probably isn't that far off from being 275 dollars either. If the argument is you were going to get bargain basement prices than that isn't the correct analogy which you seem to be using. If the government owned the power grid absolutely but they don't. Prices were always going up it's what the rebates have been able to absorb is what is most important. I agree that wasn't argued correctly but now is the time to set the record straight with facts and data to back it up. Be honest and explain it so people can understand. " Your better off even though it may not feel like it " and go through all the numbers.

Haha - Please run the Labor campaign with that as the centrepiece.

And where do you think the money for these rebates comes from?
The magical money fairy.

The taxpayer funds the rebates. We are effectively giving money back to ourselves.

 

[peetoo]

I think they will get all but two of the Teal seats back.
But the real wins are going to be in the middle to outer suburbs. Labor are hemorrhaging votes out there. We are going to see seats that are safe Labor become marginal. And any seat with less than a 10% margin to labor is now in play.

I couldn’t comment on the vibe in outer suburbs, but for libs to do that it would be a massive turnaround from Aston by election for example.

Labor greens voters in teal seats will get on the tactical voting bandwagon, and again the lnp trend in these seats is down


As referenced by Anthony green, with the trend of primary votes away from majors, it’s hard to call


Aston by election where Dutton featured heavily, campaigning on cost of living it was just 11 months since lnp got booted so maybe voters eye rolled at the hypocrisy. Probably more likely to blame labor 30 months in

2023 Aston by-election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[peetoo]

Haha - Please run the Labor campaign with that as the centrepiece.

And where do you think the money for these rebates comes from?
The magical money fairy.

The taxpayer funds the rebates. We are effectively giving money back to ourselves.

That’s how taxation works?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I think they will get all but two of the Teal seats back.
But the real wins are going to be in the middle to outer suburbs. Labor are hemorrhaging votes out there. We are going to see seats that are safe Labor become marginal. And any seat with less than a 10% margin to labor is now in play.

I have seen zero evidence any of the teals are in trouble. Where are you getting your info from?

 

[Rob R]

I think they will get all but two of the Teal seats back.
But the real wins are going to be in the middle to outer suburbs. Labor are hemorrhaging votes out there. We are going to see seats that are safe Labor become marginal. And any seat with less than a 10% margin to labor is now in play.

I think they will lose another few seats to Teals. Dutton will lose his own seat. They will pick up some in WA and close gaps but not take many in outer suburbs. they might get Pococks senate seat back as he has been useless but only if they put a moderate not if it is a minion of Zed the nutter

Hung parliament with Teals guaranteeing supply to Labour as they are closer to them on policy.

Duttons nuclear brain fade killed what little chance we had.

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[The Punter]

I have seen zero evidence any of the teals are in trouble. Where are you getting your info from?

I mean, one of them had their seat abolished and is not running in a lower house seat, so I would suggest she is in trouble.

 

[peetoo]

I think they will lose another few seats to Teals. Dutton will lose his own seat. They will pick up some in WA and close gaps but not take many in outer suburbs. they might get Pococks senate seat back as he has been useless but only if they put a moderate not if it is a minion of Zed the nutter

Hung parliament with Teals guaranteeing supply to Labour as they are closer to them on policy.

Duttons nuclear brain fade killed what little chance we had.

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Indeed many of the voters voting teal will be traditional labor voters

 

[Rob R]

I mean, one of them had their seat abolished and is not running in a lower house seat, so I would suggest she is in trouble.

one seat disestablished, others not at risk(except maybe Curtin) and could easily pick up Deakin, Menzies and Bradfield.


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[Carn The Berries]

We don't have high Inflation stop peddling that fallacy. It's within the target band to decrease interest rates. They inherited an out of control inflation situation and it's gotten better. 2 surpluses, low unemployment, inflation almost down to where it needs to be. None of that stuff gets reported so people assume everything is high. It's the media driving the narrative here.

Can we please stop pretending that this had anything to do with government policy? It was caused by sky rocketing resource prices (which are currently doing the opposite and putting a hole in the 24/25 Budget).

Underlying inflation is still above the target range, therefore it is high based on said target range. It can be simultaneously true that rates have come down from the peak but are still high (which, by the agreed RBA metric they are).

 

[Rotayjay]

And as pointed out earlier, his government contributed significantly to cost of living pressures being experienced now, with the increasing generational gap between income and housing costs.

For leftists like me, John Howard was the one who did the most damage of all. He started the ball of inequality rolling (gave it a good shove) and his successors have failed to stop it.

 

[Carn The Berries]

So much of the crap posted on here is stuff you would just get laughed out of the room if it was said out in real life.

Sadly a lot of the drivel is repeated in the HUN/Sky New/Etc. and eagerly devoured by a significant proportion of the population.

 

[MPMonkeys]

I think they will lose another few seats to Teals. Dutton will lose his own seat. They will pick up some in WA and close gaps but not take many in outer suburbs. they might get Pococks senate seat back as he has been useless but only if they put a moderate not if it is a minion of Zed the nutter

Hung parliament with Teals guaranteeing supply to Labour as they are closer to them on policy.

Duttons nuclear brain fade killed what little chance we had.

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Guarantee this will not happen.

 

[MPMonkeys]

one seat disestablished, others not at risk(except maybe Curtin) and could easily pick up Deakin, Menzies and Bradfield.


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Ryan and Daniel will both lose their seats and good riddance too.
Spender and Steggell should retain theirs.
Cheney and Scamps are lineball.
Tink's seat has been abolished.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Sadly a lot of the drivel is repeated in the HUN/Sky New/Etc. and eagerly devoured by a significant proportion of the population.

Damm those media magnates giving people a product they want to consume.

If only they just read what we told them they should read.

 

[Vindicater]

I think they will get all but two of the Teal seats back.
But the real wins are going to be in the middle to outer suburbs. Labor are hemorrhaging votes out there. We are going to see seats that are safe Labor become marginal. And any seat with less than a 10% margin to labor is now in play.

Which teal seats do you think they win back?

A leading moderate just quit the field because he thinks he will lose his seat to an independent.

 

[Vindicater]

I have seen zero evidence any of the teals are in trouble. Where are you getting your info from?

From his imagination or his anecdotal evidence gathered from his own echo chamber.

 

[Bloods86]

Damm those media magnates giving people a product they want to consume.

If only they just read what we told them they should read.

Most people consume what is put in front of them. Maybe they'll have a particular commercial 6pm news bulletin they watch based on the presenter or a show they watch just before, but if they are all sensationalist fluff, doesn't really matter. If they read a state/national paper, it's almost guaranteed to be Murdoch or NineFairfax. Similar with news sites. Talkback radio is quite conservative.

The job of news media isn't to coddle, provide familiar points, or entertain, it's to inform. Some "news" media take advantage of people's issues and fears, to provide them false scapegoats and narratives, while generating outrage and clicks/views/listens, and distracting the audience while the issues continue unabated.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Damm those media magnates giving people a product they want to consume.

If only they just read what we told them they should read.

Perhaps that should be re-framed as "if only we had "news" organisations that accurately reported both sides of an issue so that people could make up their own minds".

But everyone here knows you'd never actually admit what is going on with media manipulation...

 

[peetoo]

Perhaps that should be re-framed as "if only we had "news" organisations that accurately reported both sides of an issue so that people could make up their own minds".

But everyone here knows you'd never actually admit what is going on with media manipulation...

I’d be happy with more boring reporting about what’s actually happening rather than triggering from either extreme

 

[beside the seaside]

I think they will get all but two of the Teal seats back.
But the real wins are going to be in the middle to outer suburbs. Labor are hemorrhaging votes out there. We are going to see seats that are safe Labor become marginal. And any seat with less than a 10% margin to labor is now in play.

They're not winning back teal seats behind a nuclear policy. This teal problem isn't just going to magically go away for them.

I guess the other votes they think they're getting are based on the referendum but there's no actual evidence the Libs can take those seats.