Anthony Albanese - How long? -3-

[Ghost Patrol]

Who are the extremists in Australia?

Liberals - Total annihilation of Palestine
Greens - Total annihilation of Israel
Labor - Two state solution

Can you provide evidence showing that Greens want to annihilate Israel?

 

[Carn The Berries]

Were there people inside the bus when it was set alight? Is it the first attack of its kind in recent months? Was it declared an act of terror?

BTW, he's already creating a Special Envoy to combat Islamophobia.

The reaction of hard-nut leftists on this board is a genuine worry. Downplaying the firebombing of the synagogue which has been declared an act of terror as "nothing to see".

So an arson attack at an Islamic school is just a horrible coincidence is it?

 

[Sttew]

So an arson attack at an Islamic school is just a horrible coincidence is it?

Perhaps not best choice of words, but I was merely pointing out differences in the magnitude of the 2 incidents. Fire bombing a synagogue with worshipers inside the building is different to an arson attack on a bus at midnight. Do you not agree with that?

 

[the_interloper]

So a terrorist attack occurs, Albo goes and plays tennis, then lies about in the morning then states he was exercising but finally visits the attack site a few days and that's ok?
Even the most staunch Labor supporters should see an issue with that.

He should have grabbed a hose and helped out?

 

[Carn The Berries]

Perhaps not best choice of words, but I was merely pointing out differences in the magnitude of the 2 incidents. Fire bombing a synagogue with worshipers inside the building is different to an arson attack on a bus at midnight. Do you not agree with that?

Do they not both constitute an act of religiously motivated terrorism? Is the magnitude different enough to warrant completely different approaches?

 

[Sttew]

Do they not both constitute an act of religiously motivated terrorism? Is the magnitude different enough to warrant completely different approaches?

Maybe so, both are arguably acts of hate, but I'm not buying into this whataboutism argument. The bus attack was bad, but it's not what I'm discussing in my posts. Just because authorities are treating the bus attack differently does NOT mean the synagogue firebombing should be downgraded.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Maybe so, both are arguably acts of hate, but I'm not buying into this whataboutism argument. The bus attack was bad, but it's not what I'm discussing in my posts. Just because authorities are treating the bus attack differently does NOT mean the synagogue firebombing should be downgraded.

So, based on that explanation, would you support a taskforce being put together to investigate the bus fire and other instances of Islamophobia in the community?

 

[Sttew]

So, based on that explanation, would you support a taskforce being put together to investigate the bus fire and other instances of Islamophobia in the community?

Yes

 

[peetoo]

So a terrorist attack occurs, Albo goes and plays tennis, then lies about in the morning then states he was exercising but finally visits the attack site a few days and that's ok?
Even the most staunch Labor supporters should see an issue with that.

No issue mate

All lives matter

 

[peetoo]

The bus incident. Your first instinct was to point out there was no one in the bus, question recent incidents, suggest it's not that big an issue. Why are we downplaying one religious group being targeted while trying to inflame another?

The fact is, both incidents are disgraceful and should be investigated in the normal way. But there also people trying to conflate legitimate criticism of Israel bombing civilians for 12 months with anti-semitism. Picking a side, loudly defending them and ignoring the many other attacks on another group isn't helpful in any way, shape or form, from Dutton down to people online.

The incidents do indicate an escalation of probable revenge attacks so the authorities are escalating the response.

It’s perfectly possible to do this in a measured way without massive over reaction against civil liberties.

We actually aren’t living in the middle east

 

[Sttew]

The bus incident. Your first instinct was to point out there was no one in the bus, question recent incidents, suggest it's not that big an issue. Why are we downplaying one religious group being targeted while trying to inflame another?

Sorry to disappoint you, but I was NOT suggesting the bus attack was "not that big an issue". As they currently stand one of the incidents is officially an act or arson, the other has been officially upgraded from arson to counter-terrorism.

The Melbourne synagogue fire is being treated as a terror attack. Here’s why that matters

Police have upgraded the investigation of the firebombing of the Adass Israel Synagogue to a counterterrorism operation. Here’s how decisions like these are made and why they can take days.

theconversation.com

 

[Gough]

Sorry to disappoint you, but I was NOT suggesting the bus attack was "not that big an issue". As they currently stand one of the incidents is officially an act or arson, the other has been officially upgraded from arson to counter-terrorism.

The Melbourne synagogue fire is being treated as a terror attack. Here’s why that matters

Police have upgraded the investigation of the firebombing of the Adass Israel Synagogue to a counterterrorism operation. Here’s how decisions like these are made and why they can take days.

theconversation.com

That's because the government is blowing it out of proportion just as much as you are.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Sadly, he (rightly, in a political sense) feels the need to come out strongly on this. Hence why there is now a taskforce to look at the rise in "antisemitism"

Amy Remeikis on ABC radio yesterday had pretty compelling arguments that this task force has been under formation for some time, so it wasn’t just a kneejerk response to pressure from Dutton.

They may have brought the announcement forward to undermine Dutton’s own announcement of a antisemitic task force yesterday, in which case, well played.

 

[Sttew]

That's because the government is blowing it out of proportion just as much as you are.

That is exactly what I expect to hear from you.

Perhaps you could explain how the response to the synagogue attack has been blown out of proportion?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Downplaying the firebombing of the synagogue which has been declared an act of terror as "nothing to see".

No-one’s saying there’s “nothing to see”. Don’t put words in other people’s mouths.

No-one’s downplaying the firebombing.

They’re certainly downplaying the ludicrous suggestion that Albanese is doing a Nero.

BTW do you still think an hour of exercise in the same week as an isolated act of terror is in the same league as leaving the country for a holiday when the biggest fires in the country’s history are raging across proportion of the entire eastern seaboard?

 

[The Punter]

No-one’s saying there’s “nothing to see”. Don’t put words in other people’s mouths.

No-one’s downplaying the firebombing.

They’re certainly downplaying the ludicrous suggestion that Albanese is doing a Nero.

BTW do you still think an hour of exercise in the same week as an isolated act of terror is in the same league as leaving the country for a holiday when the biggest fires in the country’s history are raging across proportion of the entire eastern seaboard?

To be fair, someone is saying the "government is blowing it out of proportion". Sounds like downplaying it to me.

 

[Gough]

That is exactly what I expect to hear from you.

Perhaps you could explain how the response to the synagogue attack has been blown out of proportion?

Because in the past we've seen attacks on mosques and churches, and not once have they been called acts of terror. What's happening in Gaza is terrorism and this is a massive "look over there" from the Israeli and Australian governments.

 

[JackOutback]

Maybe so, both are arguably acts of hate, but I'm not buying into this whataboutism argument. The bus attack was bad, but it's not what I'm discussing in my posts. Just because authorities are treating the bus attack differently does NOT mean the synagogue firebombing should be downgraded.

It might seem like whataboutism but it goes to the heart of the issue. Would you care to hazard a guess how many mosques have been targeted with threats and violence over the past 10 years? A google search can certainly help (hint: there's more than a few pages). Not sure that any of been declared terrorism or led to the creation of a taskforce. But one vile attack on a synagogue and it's 'making international news'.

No one is downplaying it but plenty of people can see it's being stoked for political reasons in a way that is not comparable to similar incidents. Anti-semitism is a problem, as is Islamophobia, but both should be handled by the appropriate authorities and not played out on the front pages for political gain.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

So Peter Dutton who often claims people are just virtue signalling, is angry that Albo didn't go to a specific location to virtue signal immediately.

And people still parrot his nonsense?

 

[Saint]

Anti-racism campaigners tend to talk about "racism". Certain politically affiliated groups talk about "anti-semitism" like it's exceptional.

It's not just anti-semitism or Islamophobia which should be stamped out, it's all racism and bigotry.

Unfortunately, in Australia, we have people who think they're not racist because they call out anti-semitism and follow it up with unrestrained or casual Islamophobia or indigenous racism, or against asians or lots of other groups.

I'm looking at you, Peter Dutton, as well as a lot of the Pro-Israel groups.

If you complain about anti-semitism and still say racist stuff about Muslims, you're still a racist.

 

[peetoo]

Independents being elected for first time is very revealing

Kooyong - Ryan
First preferences 40% consisting first pref swings greens 14% ALP 10% other 16%
Second preferences add up to 53% suggest second prefs greens 6% ALP 6%. No ind or lib 2nd preferences counted
Lib first pref 43 just 6% swing against 2nd preferences add 4%

Goldstein - Daniel
First preferences 33% consisting of first pref swings 8% green 11% ALP others 12%
Second preferences add up to 53% suggest second prefs green 8% ALP 11% no ind or lib second prefs counted
Lib first pref 40% 12% swing against second prefs boost 40% up to 47%

Wentworth - Splender
First prefs 36% consisting of swing from 33% other. Green and ALP voters hardly got on at all
Second prefs boost up to 48% probably 8% labor 4% green
Lib first pref 40% 7% swing against. Boosted to 46z

North Sydney - Tink
First prefs 25% consisting of greens 5% labor 4% other 21%
Second prefs 27% probably 20% ALP 7% green
Lib first pref 38% down 14% boosted with second prefs back to 47%


McKellar - Scamps
First pref 38% consisting of swings greens 5% ALP 7% others 24%
Second prefs boost to 53% - 15% probably 8% labor 5% green
Lib first pref 41% down 12% boosted back to 48%

Curtin - Chaney
First prefs 29% consisting of swings greens 5% ALP 5% others 19%
Second prefs boost to 51% probably green 10% ALP 14%
Lib first pref 41% down 13 % boosted by second prefs to 49%

Other independents were sitting members or in contests v ALP

Tink was the closest to not being able to take preferences up to liberal

Some of these seats would have not even gone to preferences even one decade ago.

So you’ll hear fro libs ‘a vote for teal is a vote for green labor’. I keep thinking look at the returns dude, that decision is already largely made. Any swing back to liberal could easily be swallowed by tactical voting on the left

I switched from ALP to teal in Kooyong. But put liberal last and always will. Alp voters switching to lib in these seats. Just why? The long trend is away from liberal and state seat hawthorn had a labor mp for a while

Stage set for teal challenge in blue-ribbon seat of Bradfield as Paul Fletcher resigns — Guardian Australia

Moderate faction to rally behind Gisele Kapterian, a Salesforce executive and former Liberal staffer, in the North Sydney seat to combat independent Nicolette Boele

apple.news

 

[Juddism]

Sorry to disappoint you, but I was NOT suggesting the bus attack was "not that big an issue". As they currently stand one of the incidents is officially an act or arson, the other has been officially upgraded from arson to counter-terrorism.

The Melbourne synagogue fire is being treated as a terror attack. Here’s why that matters

Police have upgraded the investigation of the firebombing of the Adass Israel Synagogue to a counterterrorism operation. Here’s how decisions like these are made and why they can take days.

theconversation.com

Aren't they the same sect that Malka Leifer belongs to? The principal convicted of raping 3 students...

 

[Sttew]

Because in the past we've seen attacks on mosques and churches, and not once have they been called acts of terror. What's happening in Gaza is terrorism and this is a massive "look over there" from the Israeli and Australian governments.

The Wakely Church stabbing was classified as an act of terrorism

 

[Juddism]

So Peter Dutton who often claims people are just virtue signalling, is angry that Albo didn't go to a specific location to virtue signal immediately.

And people still parrot his nonsense?

Pandering to the lowest common denominator as usual, cost of living bullshit, government is to blame for everything but not the people that get themselves neck deep in debt that they cannot withstand a rate increase.

Sick to death of hearing about these people with 5 houses that cannot make ends meet but line up Louis Vuitton for designer bags.

 

[Sqotty from office works]

If your not a Jew, don't put on a yarmulke.
Don't go jnto thier place of worship.
Joe looked absolutely puppy like and lead by the ears today
By all means make a statement but don't take on someone else's persona.
Albo has nearly become a scommo.