Anthony Albanese - How long? -3-

[Johnny Bananas]

You must be living in some sort of utopia if you think that's what happens in real life.

No, I just pay attention to the news.

Your definition of 'radical right' is laughable. That could mean anything.

Your everything is laughable.

 

[CM86]

You must be living in some sort of utopia if you think that's what happens in real life.

Your definition of 'radical right' is laughable. That could mean anything.

 

[MPMonkeys]

If you were patient, you'd have seen my response above! The radical right are nativists embracing xenophobia. They paint those of the majority group as the "real" people of that country and immigrants as an "other". They win votes by dividing the people into "us" and "them".


The ideology of individual Labor Party MPs is irrelevant, because they all have to vote the same way in parliament. The way they've performed in government isn't leftist at all. They've failed to increase welfare payments in real terms, only by the mandatory indexation. They've failed to seriously intervene in the housing market to ensure affordability. They've failed to embrace any sort of price fixing of consumer goods. These would all be leftist solutions to the problems Australia faces.


And the Democratic People's Republic of Korea calls themselves Democratic and a Republic.


Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

So how is Dutton and the LNP radical right then?
He has constantly praised the migrants of this country and their contribution to Australian society. I think what you really want is complete and unfettered open borders.

Labor can't do what you want them to do because THERE IS NO MONEY. Again, you are living in some sort of utopia where the magic money press gets to work and distributes to all and sundry and somehow inflation is not impacted. Those solutions are not solutions at all because they are completely unrealistic and unsustainable. I may as well dream of Essendon winning the next ten premierships.

 

[faible]

How much are you willing to pay to help reduce carbon emissions? Vote Compass has the answer

How much would Liberal, Labor and Green voters be prepared to spend each year to help prevent climate change? Vote Compass has the answer.

www.abc.net.au

A couple of years old now, but 79% of Australians think more should be done to reduce carbon emissions.

Is climate change a 'progressive' agenda item anymore?

 

[faible]

Labor can't do what you want them to do because THERE IS NO MONEY. Again, you are living in some sort of utopia where the magic money press gets to work and distributes to all and sundry and somehow inflation is not impacted. Those solutions are not solutions at all because they are completely unrealistic and unsustainable. I may as well dream of Essendon winning the next ten premierships.

Gee, I wonder why there's no money.

Perhaps because our tax system can't handle the ultra-wealthy, or global big corporate tax evasions, and doesn't collect anywhere near enough from mineral rights.

Perhaps some kind of progressive economic agenda is needed.

 

[JackOutback]

So how is Dutton and the LNP radical right then?
He has constantly praised the migrants of this country and their contribution to Australian society. I think what you really want is complete and unfettered open borders.

Labor can't do what you want them to do because THERE IS NO MONEY. Again, you are living in some sort of utopia where the magic money press gets to work and distributes to all and sundry and somehow inflation is not impacted. Those solutions are not solutions at all because they are completely unrealistic and unsustainable. I may as well dream of Essendon winning the next ten premierships.

There’s billions for AUKUS.

Governments can afford anything, they just can’t afford everything. What they prioritise says everything about each party.

 

[Saint]

Do you think Albanese's cabinet meeting about anti-semitism will include reference to the nazi salute by the owner of Twitter?

Or are we going to keep pretending that white supremacists and the genocide in Gaza aren't the same fascists doing the same thing?

 

[Bloods86]

FFS - enough with the radical right business. Can you at least define what that is and its point of difference to a centre-right party.
Labor is not Centre. They are Left. There are factions within Labor who are right leaning and others who are more left leaning. Ditto the Liberal Party but on the other side.

Nobody in the Labor Party would call themselves a Centrist Party. The only ones who tend to do this are Greens to make themselves feel better.

Lol.

Pearl clutching at someone's classification, then attempting to pass Labor off as left wing based on what they might call themselves.

I bet you think the CCP is actually Communist.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

It's just going to be a bullshit cat and mouse around semantics.

Dutton has never been found guilty in a court of law of being xenophobic. He has never stated he is xenophobic. So how can you say that he is xenophobic? Can you read his mind?​

Then you'll give examples of Dutton or the Coalition etc. For example, his reference to deporting protestors.

How is this xenophobic? What part do you disagree with? And then it's back to court of law balah blah​

This poster is just here to flood the zone with shit. Post misinformation and muddy everything up.
Caught in one lie, use another lie to cover that lie and add another lie about something new.

Mouthpiece.

Wow, they proved you right within five minutes.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Labor can't do what you want them to do because THERE IS NO MONEY. Again, you are living in some sort of utopia where the magic money press gets to work and distributes to all and sundry and somehow inflation is not impacted. Those solutions are not solutions at all because they are completely unrealistic and unsustainable. I may as well dream of Essendon winning the next ten premierships.

This is a completely innumerate reply.

As Richard Denniss has said on multiple occasions - Australia is one of the richest nations in the world, in the richest period in human history. We can’t afford everything. But we can afford anything.

It’s simply a question of us deciding what we want to afford.

Do we want to tax multinational resource companies so we can afford to offer free tertiary education, as some other countries are able to do? Then just do it.

By all means oppose socialist measures on ideological grounds.

But it’s just bullshit and innumerate to say we can’t afford them.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Good to see wide ranging opinions on what ideological positions the major and minor parties behold themselves to.

That's all it is, opinion, for example some would view the greens as radical left, at the same time anyone that holds radical left ideals would label the ALP as radical far right.

That's not even mentioning the different factions within those parties who have different ideals to someone else in the same party.

As for the thread topic, I suspect anyone with a modicum of reality, should vote for the incumbent. Not because they're 'great' but because I don't view the alternative as any good.

I'm hoping for a minority govt. that will have more power to hold the govt. more accountable.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Good to see wide ranging opinions on what ideological positions the major and minor parties behold themselves to.

That's all it is, opinion, for example some would view the greens as radical left, at the same time anyone that holds radical left ideals would label the ALP as radical far right.

That's not even mentioning the different factions within those parties who have different ideals to someone else in the same party.

As for the thread topic, I suspect anyone with a modicum of reality, should vote for the incumbent. Not because they're 'great' but because I don't view the alternative as any good.

I'm hoping for a minority govt. that will have more power to hold the govt. more accountable.

A minority government can also provide an excuse to do even more nothing.

 

[faible]

A minority government can also provide an excuse to do even more nothing.

A fair chunk of overseas countries rely on governing coalitions. A dominant two-party system isn't necessarily the only political options.

 

[geoffjennings79]

A minority government can also provide an excuse to do even more nothing.

Or to hold on to minority govt, keep the minority partner happy. Assuming it's Teals or Greens, some potential for actual outcomes. IMO.

 

[peetoo]

Working with teals in the reps and greens in the senate. With teals and greens desperate to not be seen as in step

Could be interesting to say the least

 

[faible]

Working with teals in the reps and greens in the senate. With teals and greens desperate to not be seen as in step

Could be interesting to say the least

Teals and Greens would both support climate action, but differ in their views on the economic policies I imagine.

 

[Norwegian Blue]

Teals and Greens would both support climate action, but differ in their views on the economic policies I imagine.

In that the economic policies we've seen from the Teals are not actually batshit insane, you are correct.

 

[swingdog]

Working with teals in the reps and greens in the senate. With teals and greens desperate to not be seen as in step

Could be interesting to say the least

Didn't the last minority coalition government (Gillard) pass a record amount of legislation?

 

[Freomaniac]

Many European parties have 3. Or more. Greens on the left, far right parties, plus the usual centrist 2 parties exist across many jurisdictions, and coalition govts have resulted (sometimes of nominally opposed groups).

Gillard needed independents to form govt, Greens have been in coalitions in several state jurisdictions here. If teals retain and win more seats, even though not formally a 'party', they will hold more sway over formation of govt. Especially as they're in the lower house, which is where Greens have struggled for seats. Democrats were the same, mainly a senate party. Teals have had a bigger impact than both in a single election. They'll be under pressure this time from the 2 majors media campaigns, but both majors are bleeding members and first preferences, and Holmes a Court is bankrolling.

I disagree it's a pipe dream. (I've followed politics closely for 50 years, trend has been away from the majors for some time. Not a bad thing IMO.)

I am curious about this as England has 2 or 3 major ones. Labor is one of them (mainly because I think of Tony Blair when he was prime Minister when the 2003 Iraq invasion happened). I forgot the other major party, I know it's a right wing party just like the liberals here.

 

[the_interloper]

Nah just sick of the cheerleading posts. Good to try and bring some balance to what is known as a left wing forum

I'm known as a troll!

 

[Gough]

I am curious about this as England has 2 or 3 major ones. Labor is one of them (mainly because I think of Tony Blair when he was prime Minister when the 2003 Iraq invasion happened). I forgot the other major party, I know it's a right wing party just like the liberals here.

They have the Lib Dems and before that the SDP as a centre left alternative. The Tories had never had much of a rival on the right until Jimmy Goldsmith's Referendum Party popped up at the 1997 election which morphed into various Euroscpetic parties that peaked with UKIP which has now mutated into Reform.

 

[faible]

In that the economic policies we've seen from the Teals are not actually batshit insane, you are correct.

Many greens policies would likely garner popular support if the policy was disconnected from the Greens party.

Better regulation and tax collection on multinationals?
Better taxation of the ultra-wealthy?

Not so batshit.

 

[Gethelred]

As Kram said, there are other threads to discuss Elon Musk. Let's move on from here.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Many greens policies would likely garner popular support if the policy was disconnected from the Greens party.

Better regulation and tax collection on multinationals?
Better taxation of the ultra-wealthy?

Not so batshit.

not batshit , but they always look at it in an oversimplified way.
If a multinational set up shop in australia in a way that gives us a lot of jobs, and some expertise in their field, i'm all for it.
If they do the Apple/Google, tax away.

 

[Carringbush2010]

A minority government can also provide an excuse to do even more nothing.

Yeah, but the public will see through the 'excuses'.

A minority govt. where mp's will have more influence on policy and legislation.

In short they'll have less wriggle room to 'do nothing'