Anthony Albanese - How long? -3-

[Vindicater]

Government did not have the luxury of time to do the necessary planning and to implement the appropriate checks and balances.
Something like JobKeeper would take years to implement normally but it was rushed through due to necessity. So of course there were slippages.
Handing money to businesses was far more efficient in terms of time than giving it individually to people. And tax rebates would not have worked as the monies were needed in the here and now - not at the end of the FY.

How is giving money to big business easier than giving it to people who did a tax return the previous year and this the government has all their details readily available?

 

[MPMonkeys]

The fact you can’t see which system was more efficient and less likely to be abused doesn’t surprise me..

You are wanting something that logistically would have been virtually impossible to implement at that particular period of time.

 

[Carn The Berries]

The fact you can’t see which system was more efficient and less likely to be abused doesn’t surprise me..

The fact that you don't appear willing to acknowledge that there are enormous differences in the circumstances between the GFC and COVID is also unsurprising.

 

[The Punter]

The fact you can’t see which system was more efficient and less likely to be abused doesn’t surprise me..

Both programs kept Australia out of recession. Because giving taxpayers a cheque in 2020 might not have led to enough immediate spending (because one couldn't go to the shops), the program was different and needed to be.

But then I'm the only one in this conversation who can concede credit to the other side. You can keep yelling at others who don't give an inch if you'd prefer...

 

[MPMonkeys]

How is giving money to big business easier than giving it to people who did a tax return the previous year and this the government has all their details readily available?

Instead of having to process 20 million payments they would only have to process a fraction.
So the distribution to individuals became the companies issue who already had a mechanism in place via their payrolls.

You make it seem like Govt just presses a magic button and money appears in every adult Australians bank account the next day.
And of course you would have to handle all the enquiries which would tie up government resources even further.

 

[MPMonkeys]

You would also have to cherry pick each individual's tax return to see if they were eligible. Whereas distributing at the business level is easier as you would know intuitively even which business/industries should get the payment and which shouldn't.

 

[Sinjin Smith]

No it does not - that's the way you have interpreted it.
And the sub-headline even clarifies it.

'Jimmying' is obviously a play on his first name.

Oh C'mon, these are supposed to be respectable media enterprises (not that I think they are but they should aspire to be) and their quality of print really should reflect that. By all means if there is news, not opinion, that the Albo, Chalmers have ****ed up the budget then by all means print and report it but don't use immature tactics such as lazy plays on on their names.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Oh C'mon, these are supposed to be respectable media enterprises (not that I think they are but they should aspire to be) and their quality of print really should reflect that. By all means if there is news, not opinion, that the Albo, Chalmers have ****ed up the budget then by all means print and report it but don't use immature tactics such as lazy plays on on their names.

That's a fair comment.

 

[Vindicater]

Instead of having to process 20 million payments they would only have to process a fraction.
So the distribution to individuals became the companies issue who already had a mechanism in place via their payrolls.

You make it seem like Govt just presses a magic button and money appears in every adult Australians bank account the next day.
And of course you would have to handle all the enquiries which would tie up government resources even further.

They could literally press a button and put it in every person's bank account who filled out a tax return.

 

[nut]

Both programs kept Australia out of recession. Because giving taxpayers a cheque in 2020 might not have led to enough immediate spending (because one couldn't go to the shops), the program was different and needed to be.

But then I'm the only one in this conversation who can concede credit to the other side. You can keep yelling at others who don't give an inch if you'd prefer...

I was a 100% supporter of the covid stimulus… I’ll concede using hindsight is unfair… but it was pretty clear that it could be implemented much more efficiently… $39billion was given to companies that didn’t qualify.

 

[Carn The Berries]

That's a fair comment.

So why did you try and defend it further back when I pointed out how ridiculous and misleading the headline was?

 

[Rob R]

Wong is in a tough position. She should be doing the moral thing and cutting ties with Israel.

Instead she's doing the absolute minimum morally required and being attacked by the perpetrators (Israel) and their supporters in Australia (Dutton & the media).

She should take the lesson the whole party needs to learn. Forget what the critics say, and do the right thing.

Same goes for Marles and Chalmers. Start taxing minerals and cut taxes on low-income earners. Who cares what the corporates and papers say, they can't get gas, coal or iron ore anywhere else in the globe if their profit margin goes down 5%.

I would agree that Chalmers has challenges as the laws that need to be passed would encounter resistance that he would ideally push through.

Marles and Wong's failures are across the board. Marles has dodged the tough calls and just created more senior crats while cutting/delaying capability. Wong has failed everywhere soft on Israel, soft on China, talked a lot and delivered nothing to our regional partners. That's seem to the motto of dfat, talk smart, sit firmly on the fence and deliver nothing.

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[Carn The Berries]

I was a 100% supporter of the covid stimulus… I’ll concede using hindsight is unfair… but it was pretty clear that it could be implemented much more efficiently… $39billion was given to companies that didn’t qualify.

And money was given to people who were no longer in the country/dead/in prison during the GFC. Both had flaws, but both kept the country afloat.

 

[nut]

They could literally press a button and put it in every person's bank account who filled out a tax return.

And that would have made mistakes as well… but probably not 39billion worth.

 

[MPMonkeys]

They could literally press a button and put it in every person's bank account who filled out a tax return.

That would mean billionaires would be getting payments or people whose incomes were not impacted by Covid.
What about states who were impacted and other states who were?

 

[MPMonkeys]

And that would have made mistakes as well… but probably not 39billion worth.

Agree - it would be more.

 

[MPMonkeys]

So why did you try and defend it further back when I pointed out how ridiculous and misleading the headline was?

Because he did not use one plus one to get three.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Because he did not use one plus one to get three.

So the only thing you'll concede is that they shouldn't have used "Jimmying" in the headline?

Ok then...

 

[The Punter]

I was a 100% supporter of the covid stimulus… I’ll concede using hindsight is unfair… but it was pretty clear that it could be implemented much more efficiently… $39billion was given to companies that didn’t qualify.

Both stimulus' I mentioned could have been implemented more efficiently, but that would have affected the timeliness of the stimulus. Both governments made the same judgment: better not to wait to perfect the policy, just get the money out there to aid their objectives as soon as possible.

 

[MPMonkeys]

So the only thing you'll concede is that they shouldn't have used "Jimmying" in the headline?

Ok then...

I think it's a bit childish but hardly the end of the world.

 

[kalex6251]

I would agree that Chalmers has challenges as the laws that need to be passed would encounter resistance that he would ideally push through.

Marles and Wong's failures are across the board. Marles has dodged the tough calls and just created more senior crats while cutting/delaying capability. Wong has failed everywhere soft on Israel, soft on China, talked a lot and delivered nothing to our regional partners. That's seem to the motto of dfat, talk smart, sit firmly on the fence and deliver nothing.

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its not that long ago commentators from both left and right were singing wongs praises regards her efforts in the pacific (on the right - think greg sheridan and others like him) ...... worth remembering the complete mess foreign policy was when the preacher man was sent packing

 

[nut]

Both stimulus' I mentioned could have been implemented more efficiently, but that would have affected the timeliness of the stimulus. Both governments made the same judgment: better not to wait to perfect the policy, just get the money out there to aid their objectives as soon as possible.

I just think its laughable, and ill take your word that you did support the Rudd stimulus, that the same people defending Jobkeeper , were the same people attacking the GFC stimulus and dismissed the international accolades that Rudd and Swan received from their response

 

[Rob R]

its not that long ago commentators from both left and right were singing wongs praises regards her efforts in the pacific (on the right - think greg sheridan and others like him) ...... worth remembering the complete mess foreign policy was when the preacher man was sent packing

As I said she is an improvement on the past but it is becoming very clear all she does is talk, isn't achieving anything. More of a (very smart).lecturer than a leader.

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[nut]

Agree - it would be more.

39 billion went to business that didn’t need it, so they got to keep it.
We could have got gold plated pink bats for that.

 

[Saint]

its not that long ago commentators from both left and right were singing wongs praises regards her efforts in the pacific (on the right - think greg sheridan and others like him) ...... worth remembering the complete mess foreign policy was when the preacher man was sent packing

It isn't so much a complete mess, as completely de-funded.