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Yes. Passion is the product being sold here. Something Ross Oakley and co failed to even begin to comprehend
The whole conversation was to do with participation rates in relation to population growth. We were discussing where that growth would come from. This included immigration.
Keep up.
Passion is infectious. It is of far more value to our game than the demographics & 'generational change' some speak of.
I'm sure the economists on BF could explain its monetary value to the sport of AF.
Also the potential cost to regain it once lost to a community.
Why are there so few British Asian footballers at professional clubs? | Sean Ingle
You can count the number of British Asians in Premier League history on one hand and it is not much different lower down the pyramid
South Asians in Football: Michael Chopra calls for more action from FA and Premier League
Michael Chopra says FA and Premier League must do more for South Asians in football; FA says it is passionate about addressing the under-representation; FA writes to Sporting Bengal United after SSN exclusive; Sky Sports continues campaign for greater South Asian visibility across game
New report highlights lack of British Asian representation in professional football
A new report released today has found that half of UK football fans believe more must be done to increase the amount of players from a British Asian background playing professionally.
www.kickitout.org
Football must stop blaming British South Asian communities for under-representation
British football should utilise 30 years of academic research to focus on what it needs to do to solve the game’s exclusion problem.
theconversation.com
They're all very recent links and all worth a read. Kick It Out is the national anti-racism body for the FA over in the UK and Michael Chopra is one of the greatest British South Asian players ever so you'd think their opinions on this matter somewhat. They all have things pulled from actual reports that are linked in their stories too so feel free to dive down that rabbit hole. There's also a video about it from COPA90 on youtube which goes into a lot of detail with studies linked IIRC if you'd be interested.
That is an actual study and so far the only one I've been able to find but there are a lot more out there. I've honestly been interested in this subject for the past few years because the lack of Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi players in England blows my mind and is very similar to the lack of Chinese/Vietnamese players in the AFL in my opinion but whereas I think you can genuinely point to culture for here, it's definitely a different story over there in the UK regarding their Asian population trying to break into the sport.
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I make an assumption on population projection and the fact that participation in AFL in both NSW and Queensland continues to rise particularly at a junior level.
And you are? Come on.
Please. I teach demographics. I understand how and why populations grow.
I haven't read anything particularly persuasive from you. I've already stated it is very clear why the AFL has invested heavily in the Queensland and NSW markets. And will continue to do so.
Thirty years down the track with more young people playing AFL in NSW and Queensland (and that is already happening) that will translate into greater adult interest, greater crowds and greater membership.
For young elite athletes, there are clear pathways to play at the highest level in Queensland, instead of adopting alternative sports.
We're already starting to see returns in Queensland and NSW. More young people playing. Membership rising.
But very likely not a greater long term return.
Talk about Tasmania then. People keep bringing up the Gold Coast.
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Why are there so few British Asian footballers at professional clubs? | Sean Ingle
You can count the number of British Asians in Premier League history on one hand and it is not much different lower down the pyramidwww.theguardian.com
South Asians in Football: Michael Chopra calls for more action from FA and Premier League
Michael Chopra says FA and Premier League must do more for South Asians in football; FA says it is passionate about addressing the under-representation; FA writes to Sporting Bengal United after SSN exclusive; Sky Sports continues campaign for greater South Asian visibility across gamewww.skysports.com
New report highlights lack of British Asian representation in professional football
A new report released today has found that half of UK football fans believe more must be done to increase the amount of players from a British Asian background playing professionally.Football must stop blaming British South Asian communities for under-representation
British football should utilise 30 years of academic research to focus on what it needs to do to solve the game’s exclusion problem.
They're all very recent links and all worth a read. Kick It Out is the national anti-racism body for the FA over in the UK and Michael Chopra is one of the greatest British South Asian players ever so you'd think their opinions on this matter somewhat. They all have things pulled from actual reports that are linked in their stories too so feel free to dive down that rabbit hole. There's also a video about it from COPA90 on youtube which goes into a lot of detail with studies linked IIRC if you'd be interested.
That is an actual study and so far the only one I've been able to find but there are a lot more out there. I've honestly been interested in this subject for the past few years because the lack of Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi players in England blows my mind and is very similar to the lack of Chinese/Vietnamese players in the AFL in my opinion but whereas I think you can genuinely point to culture for here, it's definitely a different story over there in the UK regarding their Asian population trying to break into the sport.
China and surrounding nations could compete with epl instead of trying to buy in there. If Australian soccer was smart it would get in there too
Viv Anderson was the first black player to get called up to England and that didn't happen until 1978 when they already had a sizable black population for decades. It's a common sight to see English players who are black now but racism against black players in England (and all over Europe really) was commonplace for years. British Asian footballers haven't had the luxury of a star player of their background break out in the game which is pretty much the only way stuff like this gets dealt with to some extent and it's absolutely stupid.
No one is competing with the EPL it's the biggest and most financially lucrative league in the world and no one bar possibly La Liga and Ligue 1 could get near it hence why people buy into it instead of trying to compete with it.
Why are there so few British Asian footballers at professional clubs? | Sean Ingle
You can count the number of British Asians in Premier League history on one hand and it is not much different lower down the pyramidSouth Asians in Football: Michael Chopra calls for more action from FA and Premier League
Michael Chopra says FA and Premier League must do more for South Asians in football; FA says it is passionate about addressing the under-representation; FA writes to Sporting Bengal United after SSN exclusive; Sky Sports continues campaign for greater South Asian visibility across gameNew report highlights lack of British Asian representation in professional football
A new report released today has found that half of UK football fans believe more must be done to increase the amount of players from a British Asian background playing professionally.Football must stop blaming British South Asian communities for under-representation
British football should utilise 30 years of academic research to focus on what it needs to do to solve the game’s exclusion problem.
They're all very recent links and all worth a read. Kick It Out is the national anti-racism body for the FA over in the UK and Michael Chopra is one of the greatest British South Asian players ever so you'd think their opinions on this matter somewhat. They all have things pulled from actual reports that are linked in their stories too so feel free to dive down that rabbit hole. There's also a video about it from COPA90 on youtube which goes into a lot of detail with studies linked IIRC if you'd be interested.
That is an actual study and so far the only one I've been able to find but there are a lot more out there. I've honestly been interested in this subject for the past few years because the lack of Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi players in England blows my mind and is very similar to the lack of Chinese/Vietnamese players in the AFL in my opinion but whereas I think you can genuinely point to culture for here, it's definitely a different story over there in the UK regarding their Asian population trying to break into the sport.
Cricket is huge on the sub continent & these guys are starting to be seen at the highest levels in Aus. Reality check.
Awesome. You win.
Really? It’s more money than tradition these days. They’d have to outspend it for a couple of decades though
And participation rates are rising in Queensland along with population growth. Stop pretending your conversation with Roylion was about immigration in particular. Their claim was that participation in Queensland would be higher in 30 years time and this is supported by the large year-on-year growth in participation in Queensland. You're trying to change the subject to be about immigration more so than rising participation.
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I make an assumption on population projection and the fact that participation in AFL in both NSW and Queensland continues to rise particularly at a junior level.
And you are? Come on.
Please. I teach demographics. I understand how and why populations grow.
I haven't read anything particularly persuasive from you. I've already stated it is very clear why the AFL has invested heavily in the Queensland and NSW markets. And will continue to do so.
Thirty years down the track with more young people playing AFL in NSW and Queensland (and that is already happening) that will translate into greater adult interest, greater crowds and greater membership.
For young elite athletes, there are clear pathways to play at the highest level in Queensland, instead of adopting alternative sports.
We're already starting to see returns in Queensland and NSW. More young people playing. Membership rising.
But very likely not a greater long term return.
Talk about Tasmania then. People keep bringing up the Gold Coast.
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I think you only look at one side of the argument does growth in participation automatically equal growth in support for the clubs ? it could do but it’s no guarantee . A lot of the points you make about in 30 years time are assumptions there’s no certainty with growth that’s foreshore if the suns were still struggling in 10 years time on field you don’t think that would impact on there growth potential when you consider the amount of money the afl have put in with no guarantees it was actually a very risky business decision
And you are? Come on.
Please. I teach demographics. I understand how and why populations grow.
I haven't read anything particularly persuasive from you. I've already stated it is very clear why the AFL has invested heavily in the Queensland and NSW markets. And will continue to do so.
Thirty years down the track with more young people playing AFL in NSW and Queensland (and that is already happening) that will translate into greater adult interest, greater crowds and greater membership.
For young elite athletes, there are clear pathways to play at the highest level in Queensland, instead of adopting alternative sports.
We're already starting to see returns in Queensland and NSW. More young people playing. Membership rising.
But very likely not a greater long term return.
Talk about Tasmania then. People keep bringing up the Gold Coast.
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I think you only look at one side of the argument does growth in participation automatically equal growth in support for the clubs ? it could do but it’s no guarantee . A lot of the points you make about in 30 years time are assumptions there’s no certainty with growth that’s foreshore if the suns were still struggling in 10 years time on field you don’t think that would impact on there growth potential when you consider the amount of money the afl have put in with no guarantees it was actually a very risky business decision
I think you only look at one side of the argument does growth in participation automatically equal growth in support for the clubs ? it could do but it’s no guarantee . A lot of the points you make about in 30 years time are assumptions there’s no certainty with growth that’s foreshore if the suns were still struggling in 10 years time on field you don’t think that would impact on there growth potential when you consider the amount of money the afl have put in with no guarantees it was actually a very risky business decision
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GC is there to stay.
The question was/is the size of the AFL investment as against gutting what meagre support for the games survival, let alone any sort of development in Tasmania. Thats the disgrace in all this.
They've gutted their local office of staff & facilities. They've slashed 50% off the TSL clubs. Destroyed their own womens TSL, which cost SFA to run.
Obviously planned destruction of a sport thats been under fed for years. All that in the face of AFL media dominance, FIFO money seekers etc.
Why?
The sooner this is finished the better.
The sooner the premier get the AFL to face up to their behaviour & answer us, the better.
So its some equity in the 'national game', or just Fcough Gil.
Why are there so few British Asian footballers at professional clubs? | Sean Ingle
You can count the number of British Asians in Premier League history on one hand and it is not much different lower down the pyramidSouth Asians in Football: Michael Chopra calls for more action from FA and Premier League
Michael Chopra says FA and Premier League must do more for South Asians in football; FA says it is passionate about addressing the under-representation; FA writes to Sporting Bengal United after SSN exclusive; Sky Sports continues campaign for greater South Asian visibility across gameNew report highlights lack of British Asian representation in professional football
A new report released today has found that half of UK football fans believe more must be done to increase the amount of players from a British Asian background playing professionally.Football must stop blaming British South Asian communities for under-representation
British football should utilise 30 years of academic research to focus on what it needs to do to solve the game’s exclusion problem.
They're all very recent links and all worth a read. Kick It Out is the national anti-racism body for the FA over in the UK and Michael Chopra is one of the greatest British South Asian players ever so you'd think their opinions on this matter somewhat. They all have things pulled from actual reports that are linked in their stories too so feel free to dive down that rabbit hole. There's also a video about it from COPA90 on youtube which goes into a lot of detail with studies linked IIRC if you'd be interested.
That is an actual study and so far the only one I've been able to find but there are a lot more out there. I've honestly been interested in this subject for the past few years because the lack of Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi players in England blows my mind and is very similar to the lack of Chinese/Vietnamese players in the AFL in my opinion but whereas I think you can genuinely point to culture for here, it's definitely a different story over there in the UK regarding their Asian population trying to break into the sport.
That’s great, thank you.
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He's there now?
Yes as of the Storm news dated yesterday 1/3/21.
Great news for the lad.
Wonderful news for the concept of 'generational change'.
One player in a squad of 30 seniors in a city of 5mil & a state of 6.2 mil, after 22 years of having an NRL tea, plus having some SOO games.
WOW, game over!!!
I’m in favour of a tassie side in the AFL but I will say GC is here to stay and you can see why. Participation growth in tv viewer, membership, elite playing numbers, local playing numbers.
But this also applies to tas apart from an increase in tv viewers. You’d expect a bigger revenue stream from membership as most would increase from their 3 game Vic membership to at least a 5/6 north/south membership, an increase in draftable elite players, an increase in local players and an increase in junior participation.
Now as has been pointed out the big sticking point is do the AFL value an increase in membership dollars to tassie or do they prefer a smaller margin going to the vicco clubs membership?
it’s easy money for vic clubs and vic tourism. Gold Coast is not the stumbling block here.
But this also applies to tas apart from an increase in tv viewers. You’d expect a bigger revenue stream from membership as most would increase from their 3 game Vic membership to at least a 5/6 north/south membership, an increase in draftable elite players, an increase in local players and an increase in junior participation.
Now as has been pointed out the big sticking point is do the AFL value an increase in membership dollars to tassie or do they prefer a smaller margin going to the vicco clubs membership?
it’s easy money for vic clubs and vic tourism. Gold Coast is not the stumbling block here.
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In Queensland and NSW? Why wouldn't it have an influence? More people inolved and interested in Australian Rules Football as opposed to other sports leads to more eyeballs watching TV broadcasts of the games, investments in merchandise and/or memberships and/or attendance at games.
I havent seen anything but assumptions made by those that declare the Suns will never be successful or that AFL will never match the support that rugby league enoys in the northern states.
The Suns will experience success. Player retention is improving and the socialist system of the AFL gives opportunity for lowly teams to improve.
The AFL don't see it that way. Home to over 600,000 people, the Gold Coast’s population is significantly less than major Australian cities but has been the fastest growing Australian city since 2001. Five years from now, the Gold Coast’s population is set to eclipse the 750,000 mark and with the city’s population growing at historic pace alongside record participation numbers for AFL in Queensland, the Gold Coast has excellent potential to become a sustainable football city in a rugby league-mad state.
Obviously, it won’t be an overnight success. Patience is often something that fans don’t have, but the AFL have it in spades. The objective of a team on the Gold Coast was to grow the game in the untapped Queensland market and, with patience, it will work.
Yes the AFL are into the GC up to eyeballs now, & they are never wrong. One hopes they are at least reasonably successful. Failure is too costly to contemplate.
The thing about the memberships from Tasmania is that, like the slow strangulation of the game here, I see the memberships to Vic clubs slowly diminishing. Maybe that'll be 'generational change' too?
Yes the AFL are into the GC up to eyeballs now, & they are never wrong. One hopes they are at least reasonably successful. Failure is too costly to contemplate.
The thing about the memberships from Tasmania is that, like the slow strangulation of the game here, I see the memberships to Vic clubs slowly diminishing. Maybe that'll be 'generational change' too?
Like I’ve said previously I’ve spent a decent amount of time on the GC. Imo it’s the right decision long term.
people said exactly the same type of things about Sydney. “It’ll never work” “Bum sniffers will never like the game” “there’s no players in Sydney, they’re only In the Riverina” “it’ll be a cost drain on the league” and long term the people that said these things have been proven wrong.
like I’ve said tassies issue is with Victorian centric league. It’s used as an atm plain and simple.
as for the generational thing people say the same about a tassie side coming in “Give it time & the older ones will have tassie as a second side & pay their membership but the younger children being born will follow the tassie side & it’s true, For tassie and the Gold Coast.
But one thing I’ll definitely say. Like what happened with the Gold Coast do not allow the AFL to have any day to day setup of the club. As has been shown with the bears & suns they’ll definitely screw it up.
I’d like to see the hawks funded to set up a tassie standalone team. They would do a much better job
I already have a president in mind
"Tassie, you can have your own team, but you have to take Jeff"
I already have a president in mind
"Tassie, you can have your own team, but you have to take Jeff"
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Comparing Sydney to GC is an 'interesting' proposition. Even GC to GWS are completely different animals.
Just on size alone they are different propositions. Firstly & most obviously, you need far more support pro rata in the smaller place.
Anyway, it still gets back to why have the AFL so destructive of football here?
Even as recently as the mid 1990's we had a decent league. Wins over SANFL & WAFL showed that. We had decent numbers being drafted.
What have the AFL gained by killing it off?
No relocated teams thanks, & definitely NO relocated Presidents either!!!
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