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Apple Isle Showdown: Tas Govt threatens to end Hawks, North deals if no plan for 19th side
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Big call, might increase attendances not broadcast revenue that will rely on more eyes watching.
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What was north’s net profit in 2020? 300k? How are they going to make that up if tas govt payments dry up? AFL distribution?
Tassie’s shock ultimatum to AFL - and it could cost Hawthorn and North Melbourne millions
Tassie’s shock ultimatum to AFL - and it could cost clubs millionswww.foxsports.com.au
Hawthorn’s current five-year deal in Tasmania, which sees the club play games at Launceston’s UTAS Stadium, is worth approximately $20 million. The amount North Melbourne gets paid per game at Hobart’s Blundstone Arena is unclear, but it’s understood the contract is slightly less than Hawthorn’s deal with the State Government.
Slightly less than $4 million a year. Which would be over 50% of their 2020 sponsor revenue ($7.55mil).
The amount of people comfortable here with destroying memories and childhoods and forgetting the heartbreak of Fitzroy is appalling and you should be ashamed if you're happy to let any club get moved because "it's not my club why should I care"
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thats far too rugby league for any afl fans to get onboardHow about the St. Northern Hawthorn Kangaroo-Saints
I bet the general public would fall in love with that merger idea of mine
Another myth.
Hawthorn’s home games at Marvel since 2007 -
Hawthorn v West Coast 32,567 (2013)
Hawthorn v Port Adelaide 28,657 (215)
Hawthorn v W Bulldogs 48,090 (2017)
Hawthorn v West Coast 28,077 (2018)
Hawthorn v Gold Coast 31,331 (2019)
Hawthorn v Port Adelaide 18,251 (2021 - Covid impacted)
It’s a myth that Hawthorn supporters despise Docklands.
Those games (restricted capacity in 2021 aside) all would have made the club money...
In fact Hawthorn’s Docklands home and away average (35,214) is larger than Waverley Park (33,188 - post 1997) and only bettered by the MCG (46,880 pre Covid)
Hawthorn should be no different to Rich, Carl and Coll, we should be playing home games at Marvel.
You can't claim to be a big club if you're not willing to do the heavy lifting.
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Firstly we weren’t paid to play in tassie last year.
Secondly, our distribution from the afl would just increase anyway, up to the level of the saints, dogs and dees that have all received more than North from the afl over the last 5 years.
Fair play, you backed it up with figures, which I respect.
Sir_Loin
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assuming there’s more in the pot to distribute to make up the shortfall with a 19th team coming in.
666? Number of the Devils
He needs to be reasonable though, the competition is struggling with Covid and will for a few more years to come. The last thing it needs is another financial millstone around its neck which all new clubs initially are.
As per your point, AFL needs to commit to a timeline for a Tassie club if they expect a JV approach. Tassie shouldn’t accept an indefinite JV as the only and final approach.
Net assets for a football club aren't particularly relevant because the majority of those assets are leasehold improvements (ie the buildings that makes up the clubrooms, etc) which you actually can't sell if you need to pay off debt. Because you don't own the land that the buildings are sitting on.
The most relevant part of a balance sheet for a football club is the debt, which also sees St Kilda well above North - is it $12 million compared to North's $400,000?
By the way, I think Tassie should be the 19th team, and no club, not even struggling ones like St Kilda - should move, fold or merge.
Very surprised the afl is publicly going so hard at the relocation/merger option. Either a smart ploy to get the tas gov to up their offer or a moronic statement that will anger fans and have zero chance of actually happening.
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I guess we will see in a few years, your crapness has only been a couple of years. If the Hawks had to endure lean a lean patch like us or Carlton they would have 10,000 members.
Well history doesn’t bare witness to that at all...
Hawthorn was consistently in the top 4 clubs for membership (including the first Victorian club to crack 30,000) for the decade leading up to 2008.
Im sure they have a bit of wriggle room with $58m in NTA (about $30m ahead of Carlton and $20m ahead of Essendon)
Hawthorn also receives the lowest distribution of any club in the league (equal with West Coast)
Again, cool story but no...
Thats how it works now.
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Lol, you tried to merge the last time you were garbage. Biggest front running fans in the comp
Carter is clear that we cant afford more teams.
Yep pretty much, except Hawthorn wasn’t rubbish in the 1994 to 1996 period (they made the finals in 92-94 and 96, the season they discussed the merger)
We were pretty rubbish in 1997-98, 2004-05 and have been rubbish in 2019-20-21 when the clubs membership actually surged.
You probably don’t remember but Carlton tried to merge with Nth Melbourne too.
Mergers and acquisitions were quite the fashionable things to do in the hard and fast 80s and 90s.
But cool story, I’ll try and stick to the report
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Fine, how about then the St. North/Western Melbourne Blue-Magpie-Tiger-Hawk-Bomber-Cats instead
Would help form a MEGA-club in the whole of Melbourne/Victoria, for the AFL
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Carlton tried a takeover, hardly a merger
Hawthorn has been an amazing club and has gone several decades without sustained periods of garbage so of course the fan base has grown. Try being rubbish for 20 years and see how the membership base holds up
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the economics stack up if the tas government backs a tas team. AFL wants the Tas money because it means $8-9m they don’t have to shell out in distribution.
Who knows, Tas govt might underwrite a Tas team to cover any distribution shortfall. It all depends on how much they can and want to pay.
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Carlton tried a takeover, hardly a merger
Hawthorn has been an amazing club and has gone several decades without sustained periods of garbage so of course the fan base has grown. Try being rubbish for 20 years and see how the membership base holds up
Okay
I do know that Hawthorn right now has 77,000 members (despite b2b bottom 4 finishes and being touted to have the worst list in the league), has the 3rd largest revenue in the league and the second best NTA.
That said we do have an absolute campaigner as president, a dead weight CEO and are in the midst of a civil war so anything is possible.
I wouldn’t put it past Kennett to push Hawthorn to relocate to Tasmania given his public comments in the past.
It would be illogical and stupid but so was paying a 4 x premiership coach $1m to sit on a beach and renewing a CEO to a 5 year contract despite bombing on every metric.
Kennett is probably the worst person to have as president given the environment
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