Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

[Chief]

Continued in Part Two:

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ask-a-christian-part-2.1295001/unread

 

[Vdubs]

I have pinned you down where you were eventually forced to admit those who don't believe in Jesus despite having led a righteous life are going to hell.

Can you look at yourself in the mirror and then tell us this 'loving, kind, merciful' god, gave us free will, but not freedom of 'thought'.

You tried to deny by saying you don't think Musliims are going to hell, but in the end you didn't reply when i quoted your post where you clearly stated "those who know about Jesus and reject him as the Son of God, will not be going to heaven". How can you rationally justify such a dumb and terrible belief system? i literally know no christitan that believes only they have the exclusive privilege of going to heaven. NONE! you are the first one.

And before you say "i don't lose anything if this turns out to be false after my death", well you actually do. You lose the chance to live your one and only life chasing after false beliefs, repenting and believing in falsehoods, living in fear of hell incase you don't repent Your situation is comparable to a criminal who has committed a crime and goes into hiding, constantly living in fear everytime he sees a police, although they are not coming for him.

In the end, i do think i should feel sorry for you. This is not about Christianity, this is about you. I quoted Jesus directly where he stated (contradiciting John) that you can only follow me, after you have sold your possessions, helped the poor, feed the hungry etc.

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Matt 19:21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

this is also confirmed here:

"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven" - Mt 7:21

No heaven for you bro! (atleast based on your belief)

I have also quoted Luke and Mark where Jesus only even if you don't follow me, you will get eternal life cause you have helped the poor.

Yet contradicted all by John! You cherry pick what suits you, you refuse to believe what doesn't suit you. I quoted 4 verses in the earlier pages where a follower of Jesus asks him directly "What will lead to eternal life". And Jesus answers (his direct quotes)..and none were like "go baptize people and make friends in every country" like the Great Commission suggested. The GC is nothing but a Catholic fraud, it contradicts everything Jesus said in all the other Gospels.

You believe what suits you, that's understandable, but do realise that your 'interpretation' is not the only interpretation which you seem to preach here, based on John and GC.

Either way, if having led a righteous life a Muslim or a Hindu or an atheist lands in hell, it will speak loudly about the character of your God than anything else.

As usual, these are your words, not mine. You want me to comment on the fate of Muslims, or Hindus, or anyone who does not know Jesus, and I will not, and never have. Again, I say to you, the Bible tells us that Jesus is the way to God. That is up to you to deal with. I already have. I NEVER talk of Hell, Or Muslims going to hell- that is YOUR slant.

 

[Total Power]

As usual, these are your words, not mine. You want me to comment on the fate of Muslims, or Hindus, or anyone who does not know Jesus, and I will not, and never have. Again, I say to you, the Bible tells us that Jesus is the way to God. That is up to you to deal with. I already have. I NEVER talk of Hell, Or Muslims going to hell- that is YOUR slant.

So let's go over this one more time,

A Muslim who rejects Jesus , having led a righteous life, going to heaven?

If yes, then why is it important to believe in Jesus? This invalidates everything you have said so far in this thread.

If no, then i am right about your faith being toxic.

 

[Vdubs]

Which god? oh yours, right?

The fact that you believe that on your mob is going to heaven and the rest of humanity are hellbound sums up your faith.

As i said, it's not anti-Christian, as most Christians i know don't believe in such nonsense but your version (born again?) seems tot be right up there with fundnamentalist Islam.

You believe what you like. I am not confused by my faith but being human, there are always questions. If you care about eternal life, or heaven and hell as you keep posting about, why not Jesus for yourself? Experience Him yourself.

 

[Vdubs]

So let's go over this one more time,

A Muslim who rejects Jesus , having led a righteous life, going to heaven?

If yes, then why is it important to believe in Jesus? This invalidates everything you have said so far in this thread.

If no, then i am right about your faith being toxic.

Are you a Muslim?
This is a thread about Christianity.
I am not God, and according to HIS Word, the Bible, we believe what we believe about Jesus. Nothing more, nothing less. I am not here to get into your diversions.

 

[Total Power]

You believe what you like. I am not confused by my faith but being human, there are always questions. If you care about eternal life, or heaven and hell as you keep posting about, why not Jesus for yourself? Experience Him yourself.

Did you read my big post above? i quoted 4 verses in the previous pages where Jesus was asked 'what will lead to eternal life' and NONE said, be my follower. Based on the GC and aa couple of verses added by the Catholic church your faith is on extremely shaky grounds. Jesus never said you need to be my disciple first, he said FIRST go do the good deed (will of the father) then come follow me. Without the first, there is no second.

 

[Total Power]

Are you a Muslim?
This is a thread about Christianity.
I am not God, and according to HIS Word, the Bible, we believe what we believe about Jesus. Nothing more, nothing less. I am not here to get into your diversions.

Yet again you refuse to answer my question.

Can you answer my question, a person who rejects Jesus but led a righteous life...is he going to heaven? yes or no?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Yet again you refuse to answer my question.

Can you answer my question, a person who rejects Jesus but led a righteous life...is he going to heaven? yes or no?

I can answer that for you: "God moves in mysterious ways"

 

[Evolved1]

Islam will surpass Christianity in the next 20 years. What then? This is American Idol or what?

For every believer in Christ there are 3 non-believers in Christ, so i am playing your game.

If billions of people aren't Christians and their experience as non-Christians is positive, the number game shows that non-Christians are right.

It's rock solid logic that will surely convince VW.

 

[Total Power]

If billions of people aren't Christians and their experience as non-Christians is positive, the number game shows that non-Christians are right.

It's rock solid logic that will surely convince VW.

I am confused about what he believes in, first he tells us to go to heaven you must have faith in Christ, cause the bible tells us so.

NEK MINIT

"I didn't say Muslims and Jews or other people are going to hell!"

So what the actual **** are you trying to say? Believe in Jesus = heaven? Believe in Allah is also heaven?

LOL!

He has continuously refused to answer my question, are 5.5 billion people going to hell, according to him? cause 5.5 billion people don't think Jesus is the son of god.

 

[Cooldude]

Stillborn babies are going to hell because they never heard the gospels but they are technically people since life begins at conception

That's what Christians believe

 

[Evolved1]

I am confused about what he believes in, first he tells us to go to heaven you must have faith in Christ, cause the bible tells us so.

NEK MINIT

"I didn't say Muslims and Jews or other people are going to hell!"

So what the actual fu** are you trying to say? Believe in Jesus = heaven? Believe in Allah is also heaven?

LOL!

He has continuously refused to answer my question, are 5.5 billion people going to hell, according to him? cause 5.5 billion people don't think Jesus is the son of god.

He's a used saviour salesperson who gets a cut from every sale.

"See the holes in Jesus' hands and legs...they're designed for aerodynamic efficiency."

Watching religious nutters try the hard sell on truth while using every evasive tactic known to man bring me a lot of laughs. The good thing about being an atheist is that I sell nothing. Do you want an eternity being ****ing dead? Well, that I can offer.

 

[Total Power]

He's a used saviour salesperson who gets a cut from every sale.

"See the holes in Jesus' hands and legs...they're designed for aerodynamic efficiency."

Watching religious nutters try the hard sell on truth while using every evasive tactic known to man bring me a lot of laughs. The good thing about being an atheist is that I sell nothing. Do you want an eternity being ******* dead? Well, that I can offer.

I really don't wish to live an eternity, i have no idea why these religious nutters want to live with a Kim Jun Un style dictator, that even an eternity? What a waste of life on earth.

 

[Evolved1]

I really don't wish to live an eternity, i have no idea why these religious nutters want to live with a Kim Jun Un style dictator, that even an eternity? What a waste of life on earth.

If god lets me into Heaven, I'll either be part of an insurgency or plotting one of my own. The old campaigner is clearly off his rocker and I'll lock the gates once he's booted out.

The holy ghost can stay because I haven't come up with any successful means of dealing with ghosts just yet, but I'll be looking to convert him into an unholy lifestyle. How do you tempt ghosts?

 

[Total Power]

How do you tempt ghosts?

Virgins, always works. Islam is full of it, OT is also full of it. God/Moses love em too.

 

[western royboy]

If god lets me into Heaven, I'll either be part of an insurgency or plotting one of my own. The old campaigner is clearly off his rocker and I'll lock the gates once he's booted out.

The holy ghost can stay because I haven't come up with any successful means of dealing with ghosts just yet, but I'll be looking to convert him into an unholy lifestyle. How do you tempt ghosts?

Personally I’m looking forward to chatting with the talking snake...

 

[Vdubs]

I am confused about what he believes in, first he tells us to go to heaven you must have faith in Christ, cause the bible tells us so.

NEK MINIT

"I didn't say Muslims and Jews or other people are going to hell!"

So what the actual fu** are you trying to say? Believe in Jesus = heaven? Believe in Allah is also heaven?

LOL!

He has continuously refused to answer my question, are 5.5 billion people going to hell, according to him? cause 5.5 billion people don't think Jesus is the son of god.

You refuse to accept my CONSISTENT reply. The Bible tells us that Jesus is the way to God. I read the Bible, believe in God, and am a Born Again Christian- purely by accepting Jesus as my Lord and Saviour 38 years ago. I have no knowledge on how God will deal with non believers, Muslims, Jews etc. other than what you also can read in the Bible. Being a Christian does not make us perfect. Far from it. But we have confidence in our fate as long as our lives are dedicated to God via Jesus. Good works result from a life like that. End of story. Your ongoing peripheral questions are NOT applicable. Go ask a Muslim.

 

[Vdubs]

If billions of people aren't Christians and their experience as non-Christians is positive, the number game shows that non-Christians are right.

It's rock solid logic that will surely convince VW.

What experience is that? This is a fallen depraved increasingly Godless world. How do you conclude that is the path to correctness?

 

[Evolved1]

What experience is that? This is a fallen depraved increasingly Godless world. How do you conclude that is the path to correctness?

Let's break things down.
1) There's no evidence we're fallen.
2) There's no evidence we're depraved. In fact, my optimal level of depravity hasn't been reached yet. I'm a seeker.
3) It's a good thing that we're increasingly godless. Do we really want imaginary beings controlling us? I mean, obviously you do while many others don't. Live and let live.
4) There is no single path to correctness. I won the lottery just through being born and plan to make the most of it. If you guys could keep your god confined to church and away from those who detest it, we'll be good.

 

[kranky al]

So colonialism would have gone ahead with or without Christianity.

Cheers

Killing people when god says its ok....

 

[Vdubs]

Yet again you refuse to answer my question.

Can you answer my question, a person who rejects Jesus but led a righteous life...is he going to heaven? yes or no?

Anybody who knowingly and deliberately REJECTS Jesus, according to the Bible, will be answerable to God. We are saved by faith in Jesus.

 

[kranky al]

What experience is that? This is a fallen depraved increasingly Godless world. How do you conclude that is the path to correctness?

Being that i associate a world years ago as having much more influence from religion and that included utter silence about trns of thousands of kids being molested by god fearing folk....

 

[Vdubs]

Being that i associate a world years ago as having much more influence from religion and that included utter silence about trns of thousands of kids being molested by god fearing folk....

God- fearing but not God-obedient. What do you think God would think of those perpetrators?

 

[Evolved1]

Anybody who knowingly and deliberately REJECTS Jesus, according to the Bible, will be answerable to God. We are saved by faith in Jesus.

If your children reject Jesus, do you accept that they deserve eternal punishment? Will you step aside in agreement with Jesus when they're sentenced to the lake of fire?

It seems to me that god and Jesus are terrorists that deserve to be rejected. Throw Allah in with the other Abrahamic gods and you form an axis of evil.

 

[Vdubs]

Let's break things down.
1) There's no evidence we're fallen.
2) There's no evidence we're depraved. In fact, my optimal level of depravity hasn't been reached yet. I'm a seeker.
3) It's a good thing that we're increasingly godless. Do we really want imaginary beings controlling us? I mean, obviously you do while many others don't. Live and let live.
4) There is no single path to correctness. I won the lottery just through being born and plan to make the most of it. If you guys could keep your god confined to church and away from those who detest it, we'll be good.

You are the ultimate piss-take on this thread. I realise you're here for entertainment...

 

[Vdubs]

If your children reject Jesus, do you accept that they deserve eternal punishment? Will you step aside in agreement with Jesus when they're sentenced to the lake of fire?

It seems to me that god and Jesus are terrorists that deserve to be rejected. Throw Allah in with the other Abrahamic gods and you form an axis of evil.

Good question.