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I had an interesting discussion with a Catholic Priest the other day (one of the few I have any respect for). The context was that I wanted to know what the little guy priests got told by their big bosses and if any of the legal shafting made its way down the chain. I’d just spent an hour or so talking a fellow survivor out of doing something stupid after the Church’s latest round of legal bullshit landed.
Rather than talk in platitudes and mystical bullshit this was a straight man to man chat. I told him a large part of what I know of the Cult, the homosexuality amongst the Priesthood, the secrets, the blackmail and ultimately the ingrained corruption.
At the end of it I felt sorry for him, he’s a good man who has done a lot of good, but ultimately he did it under the veil of a belief in something that is complete and utter nonsense and he when he did finally discover it, it was too late.
I wish I could get back some of the wasted time I spent inside that Cult.
I am relieved that although my kids go to a Catholic School (their choice not mine) - they know that it’s all bullshit.
Sure buddy, sure
I do wonder if you're just LARPing for the lols or you are genuinely this delusional, whatever, not my problem.
Because you don’t feel like such a dumb campaigner when other dumb campaigners share the same dumb campaigner ideas as your dumb campaigner ideas.
America has to work this out, Morrison would love to take us for this walk as well, it’s insane, I’m totally over it!
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not preaching at all, never have preached, just my poor style of explaining or rationalising
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since when is it kids' choice as to what primary school they go to?
your gripe is with the Catholic church- not God, not Jesus.
Bad experiences occurred there when I was at school, and nearly enough to turn me off, but somehow, I have come back to God in a completely liberating way, and this is not a sermon.
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either of what?You haven’t provided either of those in any form!
so you're suggesting I just pack up and leave this thread?
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Why is the Catholic church so evil?
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As the rational posters here continually point out, you frequently veer off onto evangelistic tangents.
I'll save you some time.
If god isn't real, I detest Christianity.
If god is real, I detest Christianity even more.
Any questions?
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His gripe, not mine, necessarily. You read his post?
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Of course I did. The Catholic church is a pedo protecting cult, is it not?
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Unintentional. Nice analogy though.
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Question or comment?
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Question. A simple one too. Yea or nay.
Secondary School - my gripe is that it’s all bullshit - every religion - it’s all lies - made up in a similar way that L Ron Hubbard and the clowns of today invent religions - but yes I reserve a special type of hatred for the Catholic Church and the weak pathetic amoeba that run it both clerical and lay.
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Simply. No.
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Wrong as usual, which is typical of theists.
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And as is typical of you ani-theists are generalisations and tarring all Christians with the same brush. Despite the widely reported and known atrocious things that a minority of the Catholic Church has been guilty of, there is so much more benefit to society that they have been responsible for that you choose to ignore or dilute.
And I am one who left the Catholic Church.
This is called 'ask a christian', so people are here to "Ask" a Christian. You surely aren't a rocket scientist.
There are literally hundreds and thousands of different interpretations of Christianity. You can pretty believe anything you want and you can still be Christian. (despite your non-approval, this is true)
Maybe there are so many different interpretations because different people need to learn different lessons. One size fits all usually doesn't work I'm the real world, so if you've got a book that is supposed to have "the answer", it's going to need to say different things to different people in different circumstances.
That there is as much commonality in the interpretations as there is, speaks of the universality of the human experience.
You mean plagiarism? how many times do i need to show you the similarity between what Jesus said and what Buddha said? who came earlier? It's just a coincidence then?
Islam will surpass Christianity in the next 20 years. What then? This is American Idol or what?
For every believer in Christ there are 3 non-believers in Christ, so i am playing your game.
Which god? oh yours, right?
The fact that you believe that on your mob is going to heaven and the rest of humanity are hellbound sums up your faith.
As i said, it's not anti-Christian, as most Christians i know don't believe in such nonsense but your version (born again?) seems tot be right up there with fundnamentalist Islam.
I have pinned you down where you were eventually forced to admit those who don't believe in Jesus despite having led a righteous life are going to hell.
Can you look at yourself in the mirror and then tell us this 'loving, kind, merciful' god, gave us free will, but not freedom of 'thought'.
You tried to deny by saying you don't think Musliims are going to hell, but in the end you didn't reply when i quoted your post where you clearly stated "those who know about Jesus and reject him as the Son of God, will not be going to heaven". How can you rationally justify such a dumb and terrible belief system? i literally know no christitan that believes only they have the exclusive privilege of going to heaven. NONE! you are the first one.
And before you say "i don't lose anything if this turns out to be false after my death", well you actually do. You lose the chance to live your one and only life chasing after false beliefs, repenting and believing in falsehoods, living in fear of hell incase you don't repent Your situation is comparable to a criminal who has committed a crime and goes into hiding, constantly living in fear everytime he sees a police, although they are not coming for him.
In the end, i do think i should feel sorry for you. This is not about Christianity, this is about you. I quoted Jesus directly where he stated (contradiciting John) that you can only follow me, after you have sold your possessions, helped the poor, feed the hungry etc.
| Matt 19:21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." |
this is also confirmed here:
"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven" - Mt 7:21
No heaven for you bro! (atleast based on your belief)
I have also quoted Luke and Mark where Jesus only even if you don't follow me, you will get eternal life cause you have helped the poor.
Yet contradicted all by John! You cherry pick what suits you, you refuse to believe what doesn't suit you. I quoted 4 verses in the earlier pages where a follower of Jesus asks him directly "What will lead to eternal life". And Jesus answers (his direct quotes)..and none were like "go baptize people and make friends in every country" like the Great Commission suggested. The GC is nothing but a Catholic fraud, it contradicts everything Jesus said in all the other Gospels.
You believe what suits you, that's understandable, but do realise that your 'interpretation' is not the only interpretation which you seem to preach here, based on John and GC.
Either way, if having led a righteous life a Muslim or a Hindu or an atheist lands in hell, it will speak loudly about the character of your God than anything else.
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