Atmosphere at the soccer better?

[realfootball]

No one can that soccer has had a huge headstart,.

Are you sure? I would have thought most of these codes all started around the same time, but soccer, from a global point of view, has just consistently lept ahead over the past 100 years or so.

The game is generic, just like Coca Cola is a generic cola flavoured soft drink and McDonalds is to fast food. So obviously it is tailored for mass consumption.

Isn't 'mass consumption' what all football codes strive to achieve? Here in australia, I would have thought the over-the-top bombardment of AFL TV advertising and marketing is exactly done with that aim in mind, to get the masses on board, to influence their perception of the sport.

Let me ask you, if soccer was so good, and despite the challenge of soccer's domination then how is it that other codes can continue to grow in the face of it ? And why do you guys have the insecurity to constantly beat your chests about it.

There probably are many reasons for this. Possibly.....
1. mere exposure. People are exposed to more sports on TV from around the world as news outlets buy and sell stories via contractual agreements.
2. More affluence. People can afford to go to sporting events more often, as they have more money and spare time to do so.
3. In domestic 'niche' environments, clever administrations can market their sport on a local level to 'niche' markets. For example, aussie rules knows it has to crawl before it can walk.ie markets like sydney are easier to target first than say 'new zealand'. Eg It has done well to attract female viewers from more affluent areas, and it's not surprise when you go to a swans game here to see half the crowd female.

I don't think their is much insecurity here from soccer fans here generally. There seem to be a large contingency of sports fans here who here like both codes, primarily AFL first.I think much of the negative comments actually come from die hard afl fans.

Some guys just want to play sports with a bit of physicality, where players don't get rewarded for playing dead and more than a couple of goals are scored in a match. Live with it.

That maybe so, but very simply, more people play soccer. It is more popular to play soccer at a junior and senior level in Australia.

 

[SWANNIES RULE]

Excuses.

Facts.

 

[realfootball]

That's because...

1)The Swans game is sold out.

2)The socceroos play in Australia about once a year.

1. Well not exactly. My ticket won't be used, because i'm going to the socceroos game instead. And of course you could just go and but a ticket, as they are still tix on sale.

2. There were 4 games last year.

 

[SWANNIES RULE]

1. Well not exactly. My ticket won't be used, because i'm going to the socceroos game instead. And of course you could just go and but a ticket, as they are still tix on sale.

2. There were 4 games last year.

Exactly my point. If the socceroos played 22 games per season in Australia like an AFL team does then they would not get the same crowd numbers.

 

[RUNVS]

2. There were 4 games last year.

Thats the exception rather than the rule though.

 

[dipper86]

Facts.

NO NO.

The FACT remains that soccer will get a bigger crowd than the AFL in sydney

The EXCUSES and insecurity you have for this is.......

1)The Swans game is sold out.

2)The socceroos play in Australia about once a year.

 

[realfootball]

Exactly my point. If the socceroos played 22 games per season in Australia like an AFL team does then they would not get the same crowd numbers.

Actually, I reckon they probably would. I mean, this is a 'firendly' and still is attracting a massive crowd, despite competing sports on the same night.

 

[realfootball]

Thats the exception rather than the rule though.

Historically true, but not now though. The FFA have a policy of regular fixtures each year at home now

 

[RUNVS]

Historically true, but not now though. The FFA have a policy of regular fixtures each year at home now

As far as i know the FFA have signed a agreement saying that they will have atleast 2 socceroos matches in Australia each year until 2010.

 

[vinnie]

The other fact is soccer occurs at 3 different levels:

A-League
Asian Champions League
Socceroos - National games

Soccer eclipes and engulfs Aust Rules, which only has one professional level of competition - AFL.

Many AFL pundits make excuses using only one level of soccer, like saying AFL gets bigger crowds than A-league.

 

[mustapha]

You can't really compare the crowds for Saturday night unless they are played at stadiums of equal capacity. The AFL game is played in a smaller stadium so it will get the smaller crowd. You rarely get a capacity crowd at AFL games for some reason (maybe the way tickets are sold). For example the recent Collingwood game at Telstra Dome (vs the bulldogs I think) was a sellout but less than 50,000 people turned up.

It would be very interesting to compare the crowds if there were two 80,000 capacity stadiums.

 

[realfootball]

As far as i know the FFA have signed a agreement saying that they will have atleast 2 socceroos matches in Australia each year until 2010.

you might be right.

 

[SOTW 73]

The other fact is soccer occurs at 3 different levels:

A-League
Asian Champions League
Socceroos - National games

Soccer eclipes and engulfs Aust Rules, which only has one professional level of competition - AFL.

Many AFL pundits make excuses using only one level of soccer, like saying AFL gets bigger crowds than A-league.

You cannot compare a one off socceroos game against a round 10 (1 of 8 games) AFL game...a more suitable comparison is the A League where Sydney FC is lucky to draw 18,000 in a city with over 5 MIL - patheic numbers really

To say soccer enguls AFL is ridiculous when you think that 400,000 people regularly attend AFL games EACH WEEK

Anyway get off this board and go talk wwith all your soccer mates

 

[general mac]

How sad,

A few years ago the bitter league fans started comming here to our Australian Football site, to relieve themselves of the vitriol and hatred that they carry around on a daily basis.

They thought that if they abuse AFL fans long and hard enough, maybe just maybe they could breath life back into their dying sport..... Well no, actually.

Now after having just got rid of the meat heads from the league forums, suddenly we are inundated by soccer hopefuls who are desperatly shouting their superiority on an AFL board to the tune of about 80 pages.

Well guess what ???

Aussie rules is obviously still winning other wise you would not all be comming here.

Personaly I don't give a crap about soccer, but the more you morons hang out on AFL boards, talking up your crap code, the more crap you make that code look!!

Get a life !!!

 

[mustapha]

You cannot compare a one off socceroos game against a round 10 (1 of 8 games) AFL game...a more suitable comparison is the A League where Sydney FC is lucky to draw 18,000 in a city with over 5 MIL - patheic numbers really

To say soccer enguls AFL is ridiculous when you think that 400,000 people regularly attend AFL games EACH WEEK

Anyway get off this board and go talk wwith all your soccer mates

The numbers are not pathetic considering that the league has only been going for two years. Sydney also had a very poor year so their crowds dropped off a bit. This will happen with the Swans as well if they have a few poor years. Remember the early nineties before Barassi?

 

[realfootball]

You cannot compare a one off socceroos game against a round 10 (1 of 8 games) AFL game...a more suitable comparison is the A League where Sydney FC is lucky to draw 18,000 in a city with over 5 MIL - patheic numbers really

Hang on, it took 15 years for the swans to get half decent crowds in sydney. for 8 of the first 13 years crowds ranged betwenn 9k and 13K. In two years, Sydney FC are doing quite well, relative to the sydney market. This is in the face of FTA football media blackout and constant AFL FTA TV sposorship bombardment. Currently trying to get a soccer report out of certain TV stations in sydney is like trying getting blood out of a stone.

 

[mustapha]

How sad,

A few years ago the bitter league fans started comming here to our Australian Football site, to relieve themselves of the vitriol and hatred that they carry around on a daily basis.

They thought that if they abuse AFL fans long and hard enough, maybe just maybe they could breath life back into their dying sport..... Well no, actually.

Now after having just got rid of the meat heads from the league forums, suddenly we are inundated by soccer hopefuls who are desperatly shouting their superiority on an AFL board to the tune of about 80 pages.

Well guess what ???

Aussie rules is obviously still winning other wise you would not all be comming here.

Personaly I don't give a crap about soccer, but the more you morons hang out on AFL boards, talking up your crap code, the more crap you make that code look!!

Get a life !!!

It is more likely that people who follow both codes correct idiotic and false statements. Lots of people actually like both codes.

 

[The Mongrel Punt]

How sad,

A few years ago the bitter league fans started comming here to our Australian Football site, to relieve themselves of the vitriol and hatred that they carry around on a daily basis.

They thought that if they abuse AFL fans long and hard enough, maybe just maybe they could breath life back into their dying sport..... Well no, actually.

Now after having just got rid of the meat heads from the league forums, suddenly we are inundated by soccer hopefuls who are desperatly shouting their superiority on an AFL board to the tune of about 80 pages.

Well guess what ???

Aussie rules is obviously still winning other wise you would not all be comming here.

Personaly I don't give a crap about soccer, but the more you morons hang out on AFL boards, talking up your crap code, the more crap you make that code look!!

Get a life !!!

 

[realfootball]

How sad,

A few years ago the bitter league fans started comming here to our Australian Football site, to relieve themselves of the vitriol and hatred that they carry around on a daily basis.

They thought that if they abuse AFL fans long and hard enough, maybe just maybe they could breath life back into their dying sport..... Well no, actually.

Now after having just got rid of the meat heads from the league forums, suddenly we are inundated by soccer hopefuls who are desperatly shouting their superiority on an AFL board to the tune of about 80 pages.

Well guess what ???

Aussie rules is obviously still winning other wise you would not all be comming here.

Personaly I don't give a crap about soccer, but the more you morons hang out on AFL boards, talking up your crap code, the more crap you make that code look!!

Get a life !!!

A dying sport??!!

 

[The Mongrel Punt]

At the end of the day, no matter how much soccer is talked up in Australia, our best league will only ever be a third-rate competition. All the players who are good enough to go overseas will go. I don't see the point of following a team of also-rans.

If I did, I'd barrack for Richmond.

 

[dipper86]

How sad,

A few years ago the bitter league fans started comming here to our Australian Football site, to relieve themselves of the vitriol and hatred that they carry around on a daily basis.

They thought that if they abuse AFL fans long and hard enough, maybe just maybe they could breath life back into their dying sport..... Well no, actually.

Now after having just got rid of the meat heads from the league forums, suddenly we are inundated by soccer hopefuls who are desperatly shouting their superiority on an AFL board to the tune of about 80 pages.

Well guess what ???

Aussie rules is obviously still winning other wise you would not all be comming here.

Personaly I don't give a crap about soccer, but the more you morons hang out on AFL boards, talking up your crap code, the more crap you make that code look!!

Get a life !!!

Wow that post was 50% based on bitterness, 24% on paranoia, 25% on stupidity and 1% on envy.

You have all the insecure bases covered. Good job

 

[realfootball]

I don't see the point of following a team of also-rans.

If I did, I'd barrack for Richmond.

I think alot of people are prepared to accept this though. Certainly a-league crowds, while not AFL crowds, are respectable.

 

[The Mongrel Punt]

I think alot of people are prepared to accept this though. Certainly a-league crowds, while not AFL crowds, are respectable.

No question, but after you have a couple of kids come through the ranks, look really promising, only to then piss off to another country where the grass is greener and the opportunities better, I know I would find it hard to stay interested knowing all you've got is the best of the rest.

 

[Ronin]

You cannot compare a one off socceroos game against a round 10 (1 of 8 games) AFL game...a more suitable comparison is the A League where Sydney FC is lucky to draw 18,000 in a city with over 5 MIL - patheic numbers really

To say soccer enguls AFL is ridiculous when you think that 400,000 people regularly attend AFL games EACH WEEK

Anyway get off this board and go talk wwith all your soccer mates

So the Swans get 24,000 a game, where there are only 11 games played each year. Big deal.

 

[fishmonger]

NO NO.

The FACT remains that soccer will get a bigger crowd than the AFL in sydney

The EXCUSES and insecurity you have for this is.......

1)The Swans game is sold out.

2)The socceroos play in Australia about once a year.

How much are the socceroos tickets ?

I know that last time I went to the SCG a few weeks ago I was charged $75 for decent seats (not to mention the expensive food), and even still my view was partially obscured by the top of the stand. That is pretty steep, yet they still pack it in week-in week-out.

Put into perspective I only paid $120 for my ticket to the AFL Grand Final.