AUKUS

[Baltimore Jack]

It has been reported in the Guardian that several Labor branches are passing motions to oppose this deal.
There is not one Labor MP with the guts to oppose this historically disasterous deal.

Makes no difference.
In the ALP, branches are almost never listened to

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Well Hugh White’s no hothead and he makes a convincing case the whole thing’s going to fall in a big heap.

Meanwhile in the same paper Paul Bongiorno argues it’s ALL about nothing more than Albanese neutralising one of the Coalition’s greatest electoral strengths.

The AUKUS submarines will never happen

Multiple points of failure are built into this program, coupled with the deep flaws in its strategic logic. AUKUS will become an embarrassing memory, if it is remembered at all.

www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Well Hugh White’s no hothead and he makes a convincing case the whole thing’s going to fall in a big heap.

Meanwhile in the same paper Paul Bongiorno argues it’s ALL about nothing more than Albanese neutralising one of the Coalition’s greatest electoral strengths.

The AUKUS submarines will never happen

Multiple points of failure are built into this program, coupled with the deep flaws in its strategic logic. AUKUS will become an embarrassing memory, if it is remembered at all.

www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au

He's right about Albanese trying to neutralise Dutton

 

[Kwality]

How else would they take the resources without taking the land? That said, I don't think China is a huge threat. But I still think we need to have the capacity to defend our country if have to.

Blockade the required ports. Allow us to keep producing.

 

[#23 Hill]

Well Hugh White’s no hothead and he makes a convincing case the whole thing’s going to fall in a big heap.

Meanwhile in the same paper Paul Bongiorno argues it’s ALL about nothing more than Albanese neutralising one of the Coalition’s greatest electoral strengths.

The AUKUS submarines will never happen

Multiple points of failure are built into this program, coupled with the deep flaws in its strategic logic. AUKUS will become an embarrassing memory, if it is remembered at all.

www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au

Another way he could neutralise the opposition would be to deliver for ordinary Australians.

 

[Kwality]

Well Hugh White’s no hothead and he makes a convincing case the whole thing’s going to fall in a big heap.

Meanwhile in the same paper Paul Bongiorno argues it’s ALL about nothing more than Albanese neutralising one of the Coalition’s greatest electoral strengths.

The AUKUS submarines will never happen

Multiple points of failure are built into this program, coupled with the deep flaws in its strategic logic. AUKUS will become an embarrassing memory, if it is remembered at all.

www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au

Hugh has Australia's history on his side. Projections post 2040 says it all.

That the US wont allow us to build the Virginia class here suggests they dont believe we can do it either. Then there are suggestions that the AUKUS subs will have bits from both the US & UK, i.e an unproven bitsa.

 

[#23 Hill]

We face an imminent threat from China, so we're buying some subs that we'll get in about twenty years.

But seriously when are the stop gap ones suppossed to arrive?

 

[Festerz]

We face an imminent threat from China, so we're buying some subs that we'll get in about twenty years.

But seriously when are the stop gap ones suppossed to arrive?

As posted by CD Xbow several days ago.

And remember that the French Australian built Attack Class subs were not going to enter service until the mid 2030s - a date that was highly unlikely given the major delays and disputes that were more than evident in the design phase.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

The problem with Labor is a lot of the decent smart people left for the Greens, now it's full of yes men.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

The problem with Labor is a lor of the decent smart people left for the Greens, now it's full of yes men.

True that

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

You might be getting confused with vietnam here bud.

No, I'm not.

The US depopulated whole regions of Korea.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

We face an imminent threat from China, so we're buying some subs that we'll get in about twenty years.

But seriously when are the stop gap ones suppossed to arrive?

We are not facing an imminent threat from China .

 

[#23 Hill]

We are not facing an imminent threat from China .

I know.

 

[Kwality]

We are not facing an imminent threat from China .

The threat is Taiwan.
We could ignore China taking over a democracy by force in the same way Europe has pulled its punches over Ukraine, i.e leave it to the Yanks.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

The threat is Taiwan.
We could ignore China taking over a democracy by force in the same way Europe has pulled its punches over Ukraine, i.e leave it to the Yanks.

Taiwan will become China eventually ,there's no oil there so no one will give a shit.
It's theirs historically anyway, more claim than England had to Hong Kong ,the Faukkand Islands or India.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

No chance of misunderstanding The Saturday Paper's opinion in their editorial today.



"There is something perverse about the prime minister announcing he will spend $368 billion to make Australia less safe – and for the press to record this as an act of political genius. It’s like a child announcing he has fouled himself at the dinner table only for his parents to tell him how clever he is.


Standing on a dock in San Diego, squinting into the sunlight, Anthony Albanese removed from Australia’s defence policy its last hint of free will. In announcing that we will buy old American submarines, he confirmed that Australia will join the United States in any future conflict. There is no way the boats would be offered if their use was not guaranteed.


The new submarines, which will follow these American boats, will cost so much that they will distort the priorities of the entire military. Worse than that, our own defence force won’t really know how to use them. In all, their impact will be too meagre to act as a deterrence anyway.


News reports described Anthony Albanese as standing “shoulder to shoulder” with Joe Biden. This is an old fetish of Australian journalism: the excitement at seeing our politicians next to real ones from overseas. It’s a kind of Geppetto logic and is the reason Scott Morrison conceived of the scheme in the first place.


In reality Albanese looked like a middle manager at an out-of-town trade show, checking for cut sandwiches because he’d spent his per diem sending drinks to someone else’s table the night before. This is more or less the structure of the AUKUS deal.


The media coverage of this week’s announcement has been foamy and uncritical. Essentially it is: defence spending is good, so more must be better. The groupthink is absolute. Both major parties see the arrangement as self-evidently right. China can only be a threat. Peter Dutton suggests we could harass the disabled to pay for it.


Even more galling is the fact that if the same spending were announced for climate action, the outlets celebrating Albanese’s panache would be campaigning for his ouster. Over a similar period as the subs deal, we need to end our reliance on fossil fuels. We need to radically reform the economy and spend hugely to achieve transition. The project has all the elements of AUKUS, except it is actually necessary.


This is the real crisis for which Albanese should be preparing. This is the threat that will most impact our lives. Instead, the press and our politics are cheering a few old boats and some unlikely new ones and the chance to say America told us a secret."

 

[Kwality]

Taiwan will become China eventually ,there's no oil there so no one will give a s**t.
It's theirs historically anyway, more claim than England had to Hong Kong ,the Faukkand Islands or India.

The Taiwanese people will fight unlike Hong Kong.

As for the Poms, its no different to any of the colonising Euros. The Poms might point to the marauding Vikings, who might point to the Roman Empire & thats ignoring Ghengis Khan &/or Joan of Arc.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

The Taiwanese people will fight unlike Hong Kong.

As for the Poms, its no different to any of the colonising Euros. The Poms might point to the marauding Vikings, who might point to the Roman Empire & thats ignoring Ghengis Khan &/or Joan of Arc.

Yeah nah, Russia is much worse than China. Taiwan and th Uigars are just an excuse for the war mongers and arms manufacturers.
Provoking China for doing nothing is disrepectful to them as a sovereign nation.

 

[Rob R]

Taiwan will become China eventually ,there's no oil there so no one will give a s**t.
It's theirs historically anyway, more claim than England had to Hong Kong ,the Faukkand Islands or India.

They do have more claim than the Brits for sure but Taiwan was never fully occupied by China with most of the island being independent until the Japanese invaded. Even in the bits various Chinese leaders occupied, the indigenous people revolted frequently and the Han had to result to lot of ethnic cleansing and mass migration to quell.

Sent from my SM-A125F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Sqotty from office works]

Bought this up days ago.
Now everyone has started asking questions about the nuclear dump.

We've signed an agreement to be an English/American nuclear dumping ground.
Hope your grandkids enjoy it.

Protecting sealanes Hahahahaha.
And the press fell for it Hahahahaha

 

[Kwality]

Bought this up days ago.
Now everyone has started asking questions about the nuclear dump.

We've signed an agreement to be an English/American nuclear dumping ground.
Hope your grandkids enjoy it.

Protecting sealanes Hahahahaha.
And the press fell for it Hahahahaha

We've been good at exporting rubbish by calling it recyclables.
IF gas can be renewable in the EU but a fossil fuel in Australia, all we need is a paper shuffler good enough.

 

[QuietB]

Bought this up days ago.
Now everyone has started asking questions about the nuclear dump.

We've signed an agreement to be an English/American nuclear dumping ground.
Hope your grandkids enjoy it.

Protecting sealanes Hahahahaha.
And the press fell for it Hahahahaha

The whole thing is doomed to fail

 

[Kwality]

The whole thing is doomed to fail

Building anything in Australia is fraught with danger.

 

[peetoo]

We've been good at exporting rubbish by calling it recyclables.
IF gas can be renewable in the EU but a fossil fuel in Australia, all we need is a paper shuffler good enough.

If lithium is renewable, uranium is.

 

[peetoo]

So is China building belts and roads to trade with the world or conquer it?

There’s your answer. They will use soft power

Our current mistake is to characterise them as crafty copy cats. They are the most intelligent bunch on the planet