Australia will grow to like Tony Abbott as PM

[sherb]

Was a loaded question but if you are satisfied in the reply Abbott gave for that length of time so be it.

I gave Daytripper my reasons for not liking Abbott in another thread and he replied with "those are not real reasons" or similar condescending bullshit.

He's not going to accept any reason for disliking Abbott. You're wasting your time.

 

[noddy]

I gave Daytripper my reasons for not liking Abbott in another thread and he replied with "those are not real reasons" or similar condescending bullshit.

He's not going to accept any reason for disliking Abbott. You're wasting your time.

I know.

 

[Daytripper]

I gave Daytripper my reasons for not liking Abbott in another thread and he replied with "those are not real reasons" or similar condescending bullshit.

He's not going to accept any reason for disliking Abbott. You're wasting your time.

But your statements for disliking Abbott were just as wishy-washy if I recall.

Look, I don't mind if someone hates somebody else - at least put some effort into actually having a reason for it.

Otherwise, you may as well be one of those New Idea voters who vote based on how someone looks or talks.

And frankly that's exactly how both of you come across at the moment.

 

[mick ryan]

Equates to 'Australia will grow to like being inflicted with an outbreak of Bubonic Plague'!

 

[sherb]

But your statements for disliking Abbott were just as wishy-washy if I recall.

Look, I don't mind if someone hates somebody else - at least put some effort into actually having a reason for it.

Otherwise, you may as well be one of those New Idea voters who vote based on how someone looks or talks.

And frankly that's exactly how both of you come across at the moment.

You ask for reasons from people full well knowing you aren't going to accept the possible validity of any of them.

It's a waste of time responding to your question in those circumstances.

 

[Paradigm]

As I said on the Genuine Swinging Voters thread, people need to stop voting for the personality and vote for the policy.

I preferred Turnbull at one stage , prefer Abbott now. His question time performances , standing order suspensions notwithstanding, has been remarkably effective.




To coin a phrase - a drover's dog could lead the Libs to victory in the next election.

 

[JimDocker]

Credlin makes jokes about poor people - all the time. She is a shocking snob and a non talent. She hates Labor and unionist with a fetishistic passion - I can understand a little bit of contempt but visceral hatred...this is not the stuff that makes the "vision thing". So she is exactly the same as Gillard's advisers only with a nasty patina

The lack of restraint she shows in Parliament is indicative of her personality. Albo called her up on it because he was sick of her totally unjustifiable interjections

Peter slipper has warned that if he hears personally hears her interject, she will be banned from parliament for the term of his speakership. To be fair to Abbott, he did pull her into line.

 

[Daytripper]

You ask for reasons from people full well knowing you aren't going to accept the possible validity of any of them.

It's a waste of time responding to your question in those circumstances.

Rubbish.

I think its the fact that some of you are realising how illogical this hate is. Most of you don't even know why you hate him.....Its sad in a way.

I'm no fan of Labor in its present incarnation but I don't hate anyone in particular from that organisation. And if I did, I'm pretty sure I would be able to articulate an answer upon request.

 

[mick ryan]

As I said on the Genuine Swinging Voters thread, people need to stop voting for the personality and vote for the policy.

I preferred Turnbull at one stage , prefer Abbott now. His question time performances , standing order suspensions notwithstanding, has been remarkably effective.




To coin a phrase - a drover's dog could lead the Libs to victory in the next election.

He continually gets beaten around his already beaten around head at question time. As for the drovers dog, you're probably right but not Tony despite your vote for him.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

I am not sure I can think of a more revolting man than Abbott...

The saddest thing for this country is the fact Malcolm Turnbull is not the leader of the Liberal Party and that rodent Abbott is.

 

[RICHOLEGEND12]

It doesn't really matter what you think about Abbott. He is the only option... Gillard? Abbott? i know who i would prefer. But im a liberal voter so it doesn't really matter what i have to say. haha

 

[Daytripper]

I am not sure I can think of a more revolting man than Abbott...

The saddest thing for this country is the fact Malcolm Turnbull is not the leader of the Liberal Party and that rodent Abbott is.

Are you able to give actual reasons why you feel so strongly about Abbott?

 

[Daytripper]

He continually gets beaten around his already beaten around head at question time. As for the drovers dog, you're probably right but not Tony despite your vote for him.

You can tell that the Abbott haters are the real intellectual types......

 

[sherb]

Rubbish.

I think its the fact that some of you are realising how illogical this hate is. Most of you don't even know why you hate him.....Its sad in a way.

I'm no fan of Labor in its present incarnation but I don't hate anyone in particular from that organisation. And if I did, I'm pretty sure I would be able to articulate an answer upon request.

I don't hate him, I simply don't like him. As I am sure is the case with you and people within the Labor party. Hate is far too strong a word, certainly for me at least.

Anyway, I gave you my reasons why. But you won't accept them, because it appears that in your world there is no reason to dislike Abbott.

As I said, what's the point asking if you are going to treat the responses with disdain?

 

[Mofra]

His personal, intellectual and moral calibre, combined with his ministerial experience, has the makings of a great prime minister IMO.

That opinion is wildly at odds with mine, to put it in polite terms.

Personal calibre - we've seen the "real" Abbott many times - the 07 election interview with Kerry O'Brien where he spat out a "so what!!!!" after being caught out blatantly lying about meeting with George Pell, the silent "oh shit" to channel 7 reporters, his years as designated head kicker for the Libs, his small target political game as opposition leader.
I doubt anyone seriously beleives his desire to avoid workplace "reform" alone either, despite his protestations ot the contrary.

Intellectual calibre - most politicians are intelligent (believe it or not), however the application of intellect is important. Does Abbott really think "stopping the boats" is one of the 4 most pressing issues this country faces? How can there be such an election black hole from someone who was Rhodes scholar (dispite his admissions as being "not a numbers man")?
Does really really believe our current telecommunications infrastructure and regulatory environment is adequate? A very important question considering he served under Howard who employed a chronic underspend in national infrastructure during his tenure as PM.

Moral calibre - one would argue small target politics and playing to the lowest common denominator is bad enough, but his "uncontrollable lust" (his words) forcing him to leave the seminary adds insight. Also worthy is the old refrain that "anyone willing to do what it takes to get elected is not fit to govern in the first place"

Ministerial experience - he doesn't stand out from the pack in this regard. Is this meant to be a point of difference from Turnbull?

His question time performance also worries me - he is great at putting together a sound bite, but very poor at responding to questions or putting together a coherent argument that would last longer than your average news sound bite.

 

[noddy]

Rubbish.

I think its the fact that some of you are realising how illogical this hate is. Most of you don't even know why you hate him.....Its sad in a way.

I'm no fan of Labor in its present incarnation but I don't hate anyone in particular from that organisation. And if I did, I'm pretty sure I would be able to articulate an answer upon request.

Where did this "hate' thing come from? certainly not i as i might detest/dislike the man & what he stands for but i leave the word "hate" for something that is worthy of that description.

What is it with the right of politics in this country that you use the word "hate" so loosely?

 

[sherb]

Are you able to give actual reasons why you feel so strongly about Abbott?

He doesn't have to. The perception of politicians isn't always going to come from deep analysis.

And I'd point out that is a two-way principle. There would be plenty out there who like particular politicians and couldn't articulate why or whose reasons would be considered spurious.

 

[Daytripper]

Where did this "hate' thing come from? certainly not i as i might detest/dislike the man & what he stands for but i leave the word "hate" for something that is worthy of that description.

What is it with the right of politics in this country that you use the word "hate" so loosely?

You called him a 'right wing nutter'.
With no explanation as to why whatsoever.

And detesting something is close to hating something unless you would like to point out the difference.

 

[noddy]

You called him a 'right wing nutter'.
With no explanation as to why whatsoever.

And detesting something is close to hating something unless you would like to point out the difference.

Oh ok whatever helps you out trip.

 

[dockshark]

Rubbish.

I think its the fact that some of you are realising how illogical this hate is. Most of you don't even know why you hate him.....Its sad in a way.

I'm no fan of Labor in its present incarnation but I don't hate anyone in particular from that organisation. And if I did, I'm pretty sure I would be able to articulate an answer upon request.

Fair point, however I doubt that many people actually hate him...

I do agree that far to many people vote based on their perceptions of party leaders.

In this circumstance though people need too judge both Tony's suitability as prime minister, as well as the coalitions suitability for government. I personally question both!

The politicising of refugees is quite simply shameful, and the opportunistic manner in which the coalition jumped to form their "we'll stop the boats"slogan is imo indicative of the type of governance we can expect from an Abott led government.

The problem is really how many people are prepared to accept this carp. I tend to agree with the study that found less intelligent people are likely to be conservative voters.

People need to think about what we need as a nation into the future......the coalitions lack of vision, and lack of aspiration is alarming, and I for one wish people would drop all this party allegiance, left vs. right carp and actually think about what we collectively require front a government.

Forget budget surpluses and our miniscule number of refugees and think about the real big issues that will shape our future.

 

[Paradigm]

Ministerial experience - he doesn't stand out from the pack in this regard. Is this meant to be a point of difference from Turnbull?

His question time performance also worries me - he is great at putting together a sound bite, but very poor at responding to questions or putting together a coherent argument that would last longer than your average news sound bite.

He is in Opposition - what questions does he have to answer at this point in time?

I am sure he will be scrutinised when it is time for him to announce policy etc - but it is not that time yet. Onus is on the govt to answer HIS.

And quite frankly, as long as he doesn't respond with a lie we will all be in front.

 

[dockshark]

It doesn't really matter what you think about Abbott. He is the only option... Gillard? Abbott? i know who i would prefer. But im a liberal voter so it doesn't really matter what i have to say. haha

Why don't you apply some rigour to how you vote, and vote based on policy rather than allegiances?

 

[Paradigm]

The politicising of refugees is quite simply shameful, and the opportunistic manner in which the coalition jumped to form their "we'll stop the boats"slogan is imo indicative of the type of governance we can expect from an Abott led government.

It is a political issue...who do you want to deal with Border Control? The Navy?

 

[Daytripper]

He doesn't have to. The perception of politicians isn't always going to come from deep analysis.

And I'd point out that is a two-way principle. There would be plenty out there who like particular politicians and couldn't articulate why or whose reasons would be considered spurious.

That's fine however if you hate or dislike and cannot articulate a reason why, then why on earth would anyone respect your opinion on the subject.

 

[dockshark]

It is a political issue...who do you want to deal with Border Control? The Navy?

Yes...but it is a very minor issue, that is pumped up to ridiculous levels due peoples irrational fear of a tiny number of boat borne refugees. It is an insight into the mindset of average Joe voter....and it's disturbing. The fact that the coalition based their election campaign on this issue is laughable.