Australia will grow to like Tony Abbott as PM

[ralphmalph]

Pathetic isn't it, to have some grownups on the front bench with long experience of cabinet government.

Whereas our team of demonstrated 1st raters wisely gives the raspberry to Bob Carr.

Carr is an interesting issue that warrants/has its own thread.

But I'll disagree with you on the lib front bench. An old idiot with experience may be better than a young idiot but they remain idiots. The names have all been given previously but I really can't see how you can defend Mirabella, Bishop (Snr), Andrews and Brandis just for starters. Who are these 'grown ups' that are worth having?

 

[Old Skool]

Australia has been manipulated in to believing bigger absurdities than Abbott.

 

[Windhover]

So, if you agree with me, tell me why you like Tony Abbott, and why you think the country will grow to like and respect him.

If I were an ALP fanboi I would like Tone because he is the best chance the ALP have of winning the next election. As I am not I guess I should not have responded. Sorry to interrupt your public love-in Dan.

 

[Pessimistic]

I have a question of those 'in the know'

Often when hes doorstopprd and asked a question he clearly has a probelm with. he immediately looks at someone off camera - for an answer

Who is this and if they supply the answers, why arent they the candidate for PM ?

He is obviously not as good at other leaders at covering up who pulls his strings

 

[Dry Rot]

If I were an ALP fanboi I would like Tone because he is the best chance the ALP have of winning the next election. As I am not I guess I should not have responded. Sorry to interrupt your public love-in Dan.

Given the short length and content of this post, someone has hacked Windover's account.

 

[Blessed]

 

[mick ryan]

I have a question of those 'in the know'

Often when hes doorstopprd and asked a question he clearly has a probelm with. he immediately looks at someone off camera - for an answer

Who is this and if they supply the answers, why arent they the candidate for PM ?

He is obviously not as good at other leaders at covering up who pulls his strings

That when he inserts the 'er um', which supports what you are saying. Actually, he's flat out making any sort of comment of ten words or less without at least one 'er um'.

 

[ralphmalph]

That when he inserts the 'er um', which supports what you are saying. Actually, he's flat out making any sort of comment of ten words or less without at least one 'er um'.

He has lost that in the last 12 months. I have no problem with the er um. If a politician wants to think about their answer and give a considered response, so much the better.

 

[tandino]

It will be interesting to see what happens if/when Abbott becomes PM and all the doomsday scenarios put forward by those backing the other horse don't come to pass.

 

[ralphmalph]

It will be interesting to see what happens if/when Abbott becomes PM and all the doomsday scenarios put forward by those backing the other horse don't come to pass.

What are your thoughts on the doomsday scenarios put forward by Abbott supporters re the next 18 months?

 

[dockshark]

It will be interesting to see what happens if/when Abbott becomes PM and all the doomsday scenarios put forward by those backing the other horse don't come to pass.

I don't know about 'doomsday', but I have no doubt that an Abott led Coalition government will drive us backwards through poor policy, and pandering to the traditional liberal voters who think little problems are massive issues worth voting over.

I also have no doubt that an Abott led Coalition government will throttle infrastructure spending, forsake public education, and completely lack any vision for the future beynd their interpretation of a strong economy.

They do say that people get the geovernments they deserve....maybe some truth in that.

 

[ralphmalph]

I also have no doubt that an Abott led Coalition government will throttle infrastructure spending, forsake public education, and completely lack any vision for the future beynd their interpretation of a strong economy.

Which policies in particular lead you to believe this?

 

[captainMyCaptain]

The problem with Abbott is not that there's a lot to like but that there's also a lot to dislike

Thats the thing with a person like Abbott as he has such a strong personality you will either really like or dislike the guy

 

[BORK]

The pacific 'solution' was shameful, and something we should all be embarrassed about. Off shore processing of refugees is unnecessary, uneconomical, and only serves to perpetuate these irrational demonising of boat borne refugees.

LOL no account of the successful deterrent effect?

 

[dockshark]

Which policies in particular lead you to believe this?

Well....it's not just the policies. I'm an avid political spectator, and have met Tony himself, as well as held long discussions with Donna Gordin.

Check this out for a start re infrastructure. Plans to throttle one of the greatest infrastructure projects in Australian history, for a half measures solution that will play further into Telstra's hand.

http://www.liberal.org.au/~/media/F.../Broadband and Telecommunications Policy.ashx

Have a read of this one, the policies are just like the man and the party, overwhelmingly negative. If they believed in the substance to their policy it wouldn't need to constantly make reference to the Labor party. Not to mention the references to 'choice' which is a clever way of saying we'll return the funding to private schools that labor has rightly reduced.

http://www.liberal.org.au/~/media/Files/Policies and Media/Education/Quality Education Policy.ashx

Or how about this, shows that the Liberal party intend to reverse the Carbon Tax, which is agreed by almost all experts to be the logical choice for forcing emission reductions, and I've yet to see anyone put up a persuasive arguement for this coalition policy.

http://www.liberal.org.au/~/media/F...Coalitions Direct Action Plan Policy Web.ashx


Now how about a challenge for you....go and find even one Liberal policy statement that shows a geniune aspiration for the future. When I met Tony I asked him what his vision for Australia in 20 years was.....he was speechless, and had no answer.

If people want hohum, safe, conservative government that doesn't have the courage to be bold, aspirational, and inspired then go for it.

 

[dockshark]

LOL no account of the successful deterrent effect?

got some data to support this?

 

[captainMyCaptain]

The irony is that Gillard can intellectually buy and sell him three times over - I cannot for the life of me understand why she is such a bad performer in the top job

That's a major over reach especially given Abbott graduated from Sydney Uni with a double degree in Law and Economics, and also received a Rhodes scholarship to Oxford University where he obtained masters in Politics and Philosophy. The truth of the matter is they are equally bright people who are both flawed in some ways when it comes to the world of politics.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

got some data to support this?

To be fair he is just applying a small target strategy, the same strategy that both Howard and Rudd use to get in. And when ever the current prime minister is on the nose as much as Gillard is most opposition leaders will always use this strategy, that is unless your John Hewson and we all know how that worked out.

 

[Cap]

I don't know about 'doomsday', but I have no doubt that an Abott led Coalition government will drive us backwards through poor policy, and pandering to the traditional liberal voters who think little problems are massive issues worth voting over.

I also have no doubt that an Abott led Coalition government will throttle infrastructure spending, forsake public education, and completely lack any vision for the future beynd their interpretation of a strong economy.

They do say that people get the geovernments they deserve....maybe some truth in that.

and they call liberal fans doomsayers !

honestly, an Abbott led coalition will be no different from any other neutral government we have had over the last 30 odd years

sure some minor tinkering around the edges but we simply don't have the extremes to make over the top comments like that.

 

[dockshark]

and they call liberal fans doomsayers !

honestly, an Abbott led coalition will be no different from any other neutral government we have had over the last 30 odd years

sure some minor tinkering around the edges but we simply don't have the extremes to make over the top comments like that.

Disagree. Perhaps have a read of some policy statements that I linked before making predictions....

I do not want top return to another Howard type government, who's certainly in the mix for worst PM in history imo.

The problem really is moderate Australians like yourself believe what you've posted. I'm trying to encourage people to look a little deeper.....

Out of interest, how many policy statements have you read to form your opinions? Which ones in particular have lead you to your conclusions?

 

[ralphmalph]

Now how about a challenge for you....go and find even one Liberal policy statement that shows a geniune aspiration for the future. When I met Tony I asked him what his vision for Australia in 20 years was.....he was speechless, and had no answer.

If people want hohum, safe, conservative government that doesn't have the courage to be bold, aspirational, and inspired then go for it.

For better or worse, some people do want that sort of government.

Maybe someone who works for the party can help me with that challenge? Paradigm?

 

[Cap]

ideologies are great, so are political policies.

neither of these things generally turn into actions and that is what a government is a judged on.

your assessment of Howard, whilst he made his mistakes, is a little remiss given the current PM (and her predecessor).

 

[King Elvis]

I don't know about 'doomsday', but I have no doubt that an Abott led Coalition government will drive us backwards through poor policy, and pandering to the traditional liberal voters who think little problems are massive issues worth voting over.

I sincerely think this Government is already driving us backwards.

Look at Swan's tirade today, it's pure smoke and mirrors to try and regain the initiative, but to do that, he's attempting to re-ignite class welfare.

I also have no doubt that an Abott led Coalition government will throttle infrastructure spending, forsake public education, and completely lack any vision for the future beynd their interpretation of a strong economy.

The Stimulus expenditure is long gone, yet our Govt Expenditure is up around 25%-30% from the Coalitions last year in Government.

Why?

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Are you able to give actual reasons why you feel so strongly about Abbott?

He is a slime ball who sounds like a cockroach. He is stuck in the 1950's. I can see through all of his bullshit... He fell into the job by tha smallest of margins and the only reason he still has the leadership is because of the poor performance of Gillard. Not becuase of his great performance and certainly not because of policy. He has none. Even still he is struggling with most preffered PM.

He is a climate sceptic, a sexist pig, a religious twirp, a redneck. He is not progressive and will drag our country back. All of which scares the shit out of me. He doesn't stand for what he believes in, unlike Turnbull who did and got rolled for it. Do not question me about why I dont like someone. All that dick wants is to get the top job,, even if it means ruining the country. IF, he wasnt such a prick and the independents gave him minority government, how do you think he would of gone? It was a poision chalice...

Turnbull would be a popular, progressive leader. Abbott is going to divide the country.

 

[pjcrows]

A lot of people see through Abbott's rubbish just like Libs could see through Rudd's bulls*t in 2006/7.

I've posted numerous times my rant about Abbott so I won't do it again.

The fact that according to Libs we have the single worst PM in history and the single worst Government in history - but Abbott is equally as unpopular and the Opposition is a point or two away from polling pressure - is a fair indication of where they're at.