Australia will grow to like Tony Abbott as PM

[Paradigm]

Yes...but it is a very minor issue, that is pumped up to ridiculous levels due peoples irrational fear of a tiny number of boat borne refugees. It is an insight into the mindset of average Joe voter....and it's disturbing. The fact that the coalition based their election campaign on this issue is laughable.

I wouldn't say it's a minor issue at all.
Labors flip flop Malaysia Timor Non Nauru on shore off shore debacle and the amount of time and effort involved is what has made it a major issue.

Gay marriage - now THAT'S a minor issue.
This govt has a record of "fixing' things that aren't broken!

 

[sherb]

That's fine however if you hate or dislike and cannot articulate a reason why, then why on earth would anyone respect your opinion on the subject.

Perhaps some people don't care if others respect their opinion or not?

Just a thought.

 

[mick ryan]

You can tell that the Abbott haters are the real intellectual types......

It's reassuring to know that an unintellectual follower of Abbott such as yourself recognizes that fact. Your blind faith in him won't change the fact that he is a DUD and the sooner the party ditches him the better chance they'll have at the next election. However, finding a replacement from the extremely talentless pool that makes up the Liberal parliamentary party will not be an easy task.

 

[Mcveigh]

I dislike Abbot so much that i would consider temporarily leaving the country if he became PM.

Nothing that comes out of his mouth is positive, constructive or open minded.

 

[dockshark]

I wouldn't say it's a minor issue at all.
Labors flip flop Malaysia Timor Non Nauru on shore off shore debacle and the amount of time and effort involved is what has made it a major issue.

Gay marriage - now THAT'S a minor issue.
This govt has a record of "fixing' things that aren't broken!

No...you are missing the point. Labor is doing all that stuff because it's a big issue in the minds of voters. The reality is that the number of refugees we take is tiny by global standards. Check out how many people come here on tourist visas and stay illegally...it far exceeds the numbers that arrive by boat, why don't people care about this? Because it is not on the news....that's why.

Health reform, education standards and the national curriculum, national infrastructure spending, social welfare, suicide rates, the massive wealth divide, social impact of the two speed economy, GST allocations, foreign ownership of national assets.........these are big issues that a real party with integrity would base an election campaign on.

 

[pjcrows]

So this thread is basically an "Agree with me or you're wrong" love-in for Abbott fans?

 

[King Elvis]

Yes...but it is a very minor issue, that is pumped up to ridiculous levels due peoples irrational fear of a tiny number of boat borne refugees. It is an insight into the mindset of average Joe voter....and it's disturbing. The fact that the coalition based their election campaign on this issue is laughable.

It wasn't an issue until Labor dismantled the Pacific Solution; they're responsible for re-igniting the issue for political gain.

 

[dockshark]

It wasn't an issue until Labor dismantled the Pacific Solution; they're responsible for re-igniting the issue for political gain.

The pacific 'solution' was shameful, and something we should all be embarrassed about. Off shore processing of refugees is unnecessary, uneconomical, and only serves to perpetuate these irrational demonising of boat borne refugees.

 

[Pie eyed]

So this thread is basically an "Agree with me or you're wrong" love-in for Abbott fans?

NO it's supposed to get people to associate Tony with "people".

So you look past his lack of substance.

A bit like "Stockholm syndrome".

 

[Daytripper]

It's reassuring to know that an unintellectual follower of Abbott such as yourself recognizes that fact. Your blind faith in him won't change the fact that he is a DUD and the sooner the party ditches him the better chance they'll have at the next election. However, finding a replacement from the extremely talentless pool that makes up the Liberal parliamentary party will not be an easy task.

Can you explain why he is a dud?

I've read a few of your posts now and you seem to have this illogical hate for him which has never been explained.

I'll give you a few reasons why he isn't a dud based on his achievements as Opposition leader to date.

* has taken the Liberal Party from the brink of disaster in 2007 to an almost guaranteed election victory.
* His team is tight, committed and disciplined.
* There are rarely any negative leaks coming from his camp indicating very strong leadership.
* he has reigned in his outbursts over the past 3 or so years. This is someone who listens to the right advice and most importantly acts on it.
* has risen above what in my opinion is the disgusting smear campaign by some of the more pathetic Labor campaigners.
* has got business on side.

See, not rocket science is it?

 

[Daytripper]

I dislike Abbot so much that i would consider temporarily leaving the country if he became PM.

Nothing that comes out of his mouth is positive, constructive or open minded.

LOL - I guess you don't see the irony in those two sentences.

Anyway, I'd start giving some thought to a passport and some suitcases if I were you.

 

[noddy]

Can you explain why he is a dud?

I've read a few of your posts now and you seem to have this illogical hate for him which has never been explained.

I'll give you a few reasons why he isn't a dud based on his achievements as Opposition leader to date.

* has taken the Liberal Party from the brink of disaster in 2007 to an almost guaranteed election victory.
* His team is tight, committed and disciplined.
* There are rarely any negative leaks coming from his camp indicating very strong leadership.
* he has reigned in his outbursts over the past 3 or so years. This is someone who listens to the right advice and most importantly acts on it.
* has risen above what in my opinion is the disgusting smear campaign by some of the more pathetic Labor campaigners.
* has got business on side.

See, not rocket science is it?

Like i said a couple of pages back break out mate & let the flock go forth without you.

Can you tell me what are these outbursts of Tones that you go on about?

 

[King Elvis]

* has got business on side.

At this stage, it's because he's the lesser of two shitnesses.

 

[sherb]

I'll give you a few reasons why he isn't a dud based on his achievements as Opposition leader to date.

* has taken the Liberal Party from the brink of disaster in 2007 to an almost guaranteed election victory.
* His team is tight, committed and disciplined.
* There are rarely any negative leaks coming from his camp indicating very strong leadership.
* he has reigned in his outbursts over the past 3 or so years. This is someone who listens to the right advice and most importantly acts on it.
* has risen above what in my opinion is the disgusting smear campaign by some of the more pathetic Labor campaigners.
* has got business on side.

See, not rocket science is it?

They are not real reasons, that's all wishy-washy.

It just means you have an illogical love for the man.

 

[Admiral Byng]

This chroncally underestimated politician is on the verge of being our next Prime Minister. And one of the more frustrating things out there in voting-land is hearing comments such as "Oh I can't stand Abbott." It's so ignorant, and shows litle understanding of the man. He was laughed at when he became oppositon leader because Labor though they would trounce him. He always proves people wrong. And for those doubting his effectivness as PM, he will prove them wrong too. And the public will eventually see him for what he is: A deeply principled, highly intelligent, man of convicton.

What sort of arrogance is this??

I don't like him because he is a devout catholic, and his faith dictates his position on important matters of public policy. I'm an atheist and I see religious devotion as a form of mental defect. Don't want him anywhere near the levers of power.

 

[Dry Rot]

Health reform, education standards and the national curriculum, national infrastructure spending, social welfare, suicide rates, the massive wealth divide, social impact of the two speed economy, GST allocations, foreign ownership of national assets.........these are big issues that a real party with integrity would base an election campaign on.

The Greens? It's neither Labor nor Liberal.

 

[Qsaint]

What sort of arrogance is this??

I don't like him because he is a devout catholic, and his faith dictates his position on important matters of public policy. I'm an atheist and I see religious devotion as a form of mental defect. Don't want him anywhere near the levers of power.

So your a bigot. But krudds different

 

[Daytripper]

What sort of arrogance is this??

I don't like him because he is a devout catholic, and his faith dictates his position on important matters of public policy. I'm an atheist and I see religious devotion as a form of mental defect. Don't want him anywhere near the levers of power.

WTF !!!!!!

There wouldn't be a current world leader left if everyone thought like that.....

And this idea that his faith dictates important matters of public policy is pure twaddle. He is not a dictator. We live in a democracy. One person does not make all the decisions.

 

[Admiral Byng]

So your a bigot. But krudds different

Call it what you want, but my opinion is not based on ignorance - that's what I'm objecting to. There's enough evidence when Tony was a minister that he acts in accordance with his Church's views. I happen to disagree strongly with the Church on many matters.

I happen to hate Rudd with a passion too, but I'm sure the fanbois can't handle that level of complexity.

 

[Paradigm]

No...you are missing the point. Labor is doing all that stuff because it's a big issue in the minds of voters. The reality is that the number of refugees we take is tiny by global standards. Check out how many people come here on tourist visas and stay illegally...it far exceeds the numbers that arrive by boat, why don't people care about this? Because it is not on the news....that's why.

Health reform, education standards and the national curriculum, national infrastructure spending, social welfare, suicide rates, the massive wealth divide, social impact of the two speed economy, GST allocations, foreign ownership of national assets.........these are big issues that a real party with integrity would base an election campaign on.

So it's not for a "clean energy future " or the "good of the Nation" - it's coz that's what the voters want ?

What about govt debt that pays for all this "big picture visionary stuff"? How's that travelling?

And asylum seekers is and always will be an emotive issue - it's a vote changer. Rightly or wrongly. And had they dealt with it properly, it would not have been an issue.

 

[Dry Rot]

"clean energy future "

Here's a glimpse into our clean energy future

Solar panel manufacturing on shaky grounds after Silex closure

16 November, 2011 Annie Dang

Australia is down one solar panel manufacturer following the closure of Silex Solar’s Homebush Bay manufacturing facility yesterday which resulted in 30 jobs being cut.

The shut down comes after only months after the company ceased production of its in-house manufactured solar cells.

The news pulls into question the strength of Australia’s solar industry, and more broadly, the country’s green energy industry, which is considered to be a steady manufacturing performer.

http://www.myfen.com.au/news/solar-panel-manufacturing-on-shaky-grounds-after-s

Dumb policy pulls plug on solar panel factory

BY: CRITERION: TIM BOREHAM From: The Australian November 16, 2011 12:00AM

CLEVER country? Our nation now lacks a local solar panel manufacturer after Silex mothballed its Homebush facility yesterday, at the expense of 30 jobs.

The move resulted from a potent combo of dumb policy at federal and state level, a flood of Chinese imports and the Aussie dollar that meant Silex's panels were 20 per cent dearer than those of its importer rivals.

Silex retrenched a similar number of workers in August, when it closed the cell line in favour of Chinese components, but volumes continued to fall because of a "massive oversupply across the global photovoltaic market".

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...ar-panel-factory/story-e6frg9lo-1226196100501

MADE IN CHINA

 

[Footy Smarts]

So it's not for a "clean energy future " or the "good of the Nation" - it's coz that's what the voters want ?

Unfortunately Labor's been seriously caught up in the boat people issue. Once it becomes an issue with the voters it's almost impossible to ignore and if Labor ignored it they would've copped a roasting. Their attempted dealing with it has been a farce though.

Interestingly the policy that they've chosen since the Malaysia non-solution fell over has been exactly what they should be doing. Since then a significant number of detainees have been transferred to the community where they can become worthy members of society as new Australians. This is how the most desperate people should be treated, not being locked up and treated as political tools. Unfortunately Labor don't have the compassion and courage to simply implement this as their policy on what should be a minor issue.

What about govt debt that pays for all this "big picture visionary stuff"? How's that travelling?

Considering you bolded this I assume you think it's an important point. Well here's an important point:

Our government debt is predicted to peak at 6.4% of GDP.
That's right, 6.4% which is the lowest for any advanced economy and more than 10 times lower than most.

I guess nobody should ever buy a house for more than 6% of their yearly income because they can't afford that "big picture visionary stuff".

This debt is tiny compared to our GDP and targeted intelligent spending which will make a long-term economic difference is the correct thing to do. Don't buy the blatant lie that our debt is spiralling and out of control because that's simply bullshit.

And asylum seekers is and always will be an emotive issue - it's a vote changer. Rightly or wrongly. And had they dealt with it properly, it would not have been an issue.

Agreed although it's still disgusting that the coalition use the most vulnerable as a political tool. It's almost as disgusting that Labor won't stand on its moral values and caved into this fear peddling. I guess we've still got the Greens?

Perhaps worse is that members of the public actually believe the fear that's being peddled, as though terrorists are going to infiltrate Australia that way.I'm sure terrorists couldn't find a better way into Australia than via long times in refugee camps followed by a journey on an un-seaworthy vessel. It's not like they could come via plane or anything...

 

[Scotland]

IMO most Australians do not personally really relate to or identify with Tony Abbott.

Should be become PM I doubt that this will change, but I could easily see him being popular in the position.

Colin Barnett was a joke in WA state opposition, and while he hasn't really done anything as such as premier his popularity has soared. All he's really done is play a bit of state vs federal politics to appeal to the masses, plus he's benefited from an inept opposition. It's not beyond Tony Abbott to do similar.

 

[dockshark]

So it's not for a "clean energy future " or the "good of the Nation" - it's coz that's what the voters want ?

What about govt debt that pays for all this "big picture visionary stuff"? How's that travelling?

And asylum seekers is and always will be an emotive issue - it's a vote changer. Rightly or wrongly. And had they dealt with it properly, it would not have been an issue.

How would reducing our tiny refugee intake make a tangible difference to a clean energy future?

As for govt debt, ours is tiny.....and way inside the limits of what's manageable.....again this is a non issue, that's been blown way out of proportion by politicians. Most constituents who think a budget surplus is a significant factor for voting wouldn't have even a rudimentary understanding of macroeconomics.

No offence, but your post only really serves to illustrate my point....

 

[GuruJane]

Seeing as this thread is meant to be an Abbott love fest i shall in respect to the op refrain from listing all the points that i believe makes him a right wing nutter who freezes at the first curly question when put under the spotlight (i shall not mention his jet lag episode or his psycho dumbstruck get-me-outa-here interview with a C7 reporter) so besides his three tier mantra of "stop the boats from the north & turn them back, stop the carbon tax & stop the anything else that Labor puts up what the heck does this guy really have to offer if he became PM?

Oh & by the by have a look at his front bench at least half of them are older than me & i'm in the ancient bracket.

Pathetic isn't it, to have some grownups on the front bench with long experience of cabinet government.

Whereas our team of demonstrated 1st raters wisely gives the raspberry to Bob Carr.