Australian cheating at Newlands, where to from here?

[Substance]

Well there was where they went wrong. Having David Warner as the 'mastermind' of anything will lead to disaster.

 

[deltablues]

like your average wino.

I certainly value your comment on "winos", experienced as you must be in that area of endeavor.

 

[frankrizzo]

Vaughan Is a pretty transparent troll, he like most in English cricket are also delighting in this because it's taking some of the sting out of their 11th loss in their last 12 away games.

They are another side that seem to have toxic culture that protects and rewards people like stokes but I can't see them changing anytime soon.

 

[The Passenger]

Nah.

There's no way the Indian board would ban Kohli for 12 months over a similar incident.

No chance, but that's also because there would be a genuine chance of someone in the BCCI being assassinated if Kohli was suspended for that length of time (for anything).

 

[frankrizzo]

Nah.

There's no way the Indian board would ban Kohli for 12 months over a similar incident.

Kohli would never be dumb enough to admit to being part of it. like sa he would just deny it and call in the lawyers.

 

[Feerits Elf]

Steve Smith and Cameron Bancroft will not be considered for team leadership positions until a minimum of 12 months after the conclusion of their suspension from international and domestic cricket. Any consideration of future leadership would be conditional on acceptance by the public

**** yeah, another $100m postal survey

 

[Coasters7]

Sutherland apparently just said that Lehmann wasn’t involved/informed when sending Handscomb out. Rather, he deployed the Twelfth Man once seeing the initial TV shots to ask “what the hell is going on?”

Would explain Handscombs reaction if Lehmann said it anything like I imagine him saying it.

 

[frankrizzo]

Wish Warner got a 2-year ban. Can't stand the prick.

Happy to see Smith and Bancroft return when they've served their suspensions, but I hope I never see Warner representing Australia at test level ever again.

WArner likely got a life ban, it's one thing getting the public offside as you can belt a few tons and they will forgive but he has pissed off his teammates so he is finished he won't play another game for australia.

 

[Admiral Byng]

I have no doubt the plan was fueled by resentment and anger towards the lack of punishment for Sth Africa's poor behaviour

Would Smith agree to this lunatic plan if he wasn't still seething over the ICC's limp wristed actions against Rabada ?

Would Warner suggest such a plan if his wife was not basically called a **** and whore by players, the crowd and SA officials ?
I doubt it

Anger makes people do stupid things

I have the feeling this was not the first time; that Warner was already under suspicion so he had to recruit Bancroft to do it; but he was too inexperienced and clumsy.

 

[DaRick]

Sorry, just saw this...

Why? You think we should of gone light on these guys just because you perceive others have in the past?

That's hardly a perception; that's reality. Nobody's ever been banned for ball-tampering.

Any sort of ban for ball-tampering in that scenario is not 'light' IMO (and BTW I do support a ban for all three players).

I do actually see now that they lied about the whole tape/sandpaper thing, so I suppose I could support a slightly extended ban for Smith/Bancroft for showing a lack of integrity. Not 9 and 12 months though.

You have to take into account the priors this side has as well, not cheating previously but this side obviously had culture issues and a stand had to be taken.

Why the hell Lehmann survives I can only attribute to him lawyering up

You would resolve many of those culture issues by simply not selecting Warner again IMO, plus removing Lehmann. I think that Smith is a bit too bland to cause many cultural issues.

I would have canned Lehmann as well, but I reckon his (hopefully temporary) survival is because CA don't want a repeat of the Arthur saga, where they quickly removed Arthur after the Warner-Root incident and he wound up dragging them into legal action as a result. Perhaps CA want to get all their ducks lined up in a row this time.

 

[ZEV]

I have no doubt the plan was fueled by resentment and anger towards the lack of punishment for Sth Africa's poor behaviour

Would Smith agree to this lunatic plan if he wasn't still seething over the ICC's limp wristed actions against Rabada ?

Would Warner suggest such a plan if his wife was not basically called a **** and whore by players, the crowd and SA officials ?
I doubt it

Anger makes people do stupid things

CA always have our players backs, just ask Andrew Symonds...

 

[Belnakor]

wow. just wow. this decision... i cannot believe it.

 

[SSwans2011]

A couple of examples that come to mind are insider trading or accepting stolen/illegal goods. You could say it’s just a share trade or transaction, everyone else does it and gets away with it, it was a brain fart and so on. I know an otherwise good person who did one of these things and ended up behind bars.

Putting analogies aside though, part of leadership is judgment in these situations. These guys stuffed up and brought a lot of shame and reputational damage to the team they were entrusted to lead. I think the punishments are fair.

Yeah, but one is punishable by law, and one isn't (cricketing law aside). I still think there's a key moral and ethical distinction between the two that simply can't be ignored there.

 

[Topkent]

I still don't really understand this.

Faf du Plessis uses his zip to scratch the ball and gets a slap on the wrist meanwhile we burn our team to the ground.

 

[Blue1980]

Sorry, just saw this...



That's hardly a perception; that's reality. Nobody's ever been banned for ball-tampering.

Any sort of ban for ball-tampering in that scenario is not 'light' IMO (and BTW I do support a ban for all three players).

I do actually see now that they lied about the whole tape/sandpaper thing, so I suppose I could support a slightly extended ban for Smith/Bancroft for showing a lack of integrity. Not 9 and 12 months though.



You would resolve many of those culture issues by simply not selecting Warner again IMO, plus removing Lehmann. I think that Smith is a bit too bland to cause many cultural issues.

I would have canned Lehmann as well, but I reckon his (hopefully temporary) survival is because CA don't want a repeat of the Arthur saga, where they quickly removed Arthur after the Warner-Root incident and he wound up dragging them into legal action as a result. Perhaps CA want to get all their ducks lined up in a row this time.

I agree with much of that, Smith and Bancroft has to be punished for being part of it and lying about it being tape etc

Everyone involved in Australian cricket knows Warner won’t play for the country in any form again. He won’t change his ways and is more likely to double down and throw everyone under the bus than he is to change his behavior.

 

[big bootaaaaah]

Who exactly is this ban for? Who are we trying to appease?

The Chinese Olympic swimming team.

 

[DT_fanatic]

Kohli would never be dumb enough to admit to being part of it. like sa he would just deny it and call in the lawyers.

More like Kohli would never be a walkover in the Indian dressing room, in the first place.


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[archereleven]

I agree with much of that, Smith and Bancroft has to be punished for being part of it and lying about it being tape etc

Everyone involved in Australian cricket knows Warner won’t play for the country in any form again. He won’t change his ways and is more likely to double down and throw everyone under the bus than he is to change his behavior.

I hope Warner does throw everyone under the bus now.

The penalties Sutherland has imposed here are nonsensical in regards to precedent and how the ICC views ball tampering. You know, the governing body of the sport of cricket lol

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[big bootaaaaah]

If only those SA cameramen had stuck to filming the girls in red, how happy life would still be.

 

[TheMightyEagles]

Yeah, but one is punishable by law, and one isn't. I still think there's a key moral and ethical distinction between the two that simply can't be ignored there.

My point is that leaders have more accountability than others in all areas of life, and a higher position of leadership means more responsibility. Not saying that they should go to jail. You can substitute a breach of law with a breach of internal company rules that embarrasses an organisation (or dispense with the analogy altogether) and the point still stands.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

After my big win! I am available to coach.

Supercoach

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

If only those SA cameramen had stuck to filming the girls in red, how happy life would still be.

Never forget.......... the way you looked tonight!

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

CA always have our players backs, just ask Andrew Symonds...

Ricky Ponting endorses this!

 

[Blue1980]

I hope Warner does throw everyone under the bus now.

The penalties Sutherland has imposed here are nonsensical in regards to precedent and how the ICC views ball tampering. You know, the governing body of the sport of cricket lol

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Why? You won’t get the truth from Warner, just random attempts to save himself.

I’m surprised people are surprised at the punishments.

Cheating and half confessing but still lying about it, and sandpaper is a fair bit worse than mints. I’m not sure who could claim otherwise.

 

[IKnowtheDog]

It's amazing how disliked Warner is. Also love the perception these guys will walk back into the test side once ban is served, that ain't happening. Sutherland didn't issue the penalties the board did