Australian cheating at Newlands, where to from here?

[Blue1980]

Hopefully this turns into a case of short term pain for long term gain. If the culture of team can be turned around, I'm prepared to cop this hit.

But why will we suddenly become easy beats? Still close to the best bowling attack going around and lost one batsmen of any consequence

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I'd said in a previous post that ball should be thrown back to the umpire at the end of each over for quick visual inspection before he hands to the bowler.

You'd soon pick up if any adverse 'damage' to the ball.

Oh for god's sake, keep your sensible suggestions to yourself...

 

[DIG]

Many of you need to get your blinkers off, this is a chance for a new start (need Boof to piss off too)

It's a chance to completely reinvent their image and be a team loved by their country again.

It's like our best Socceroos being pinged for drugs, we'd all be devastated and furious.

The "crime" in this case is a thousand times less severe than that but it ultimately doesn't matter now. Trying to cheat, even in such a tiny way has lost the Australian Public.

Calls for lifetime bans were presposterous. The bans they got were ludicrous for what they did, but there's a bigger problem now that has to be addressed and I think the bans were about right to start that. Boof must be on borrowed time too.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

"Stay tuned to Fox Sports News for rolling coverage of Smith, Warner and Bancroft's return to Australia."

 

[JackOutback]

Really ???

I thought you guys were calling things virtue signaling nowadays.

I knew it was political correctness; even when I thought it was Smith, Warner and Bancroft, it was political correctness.

 

[Sinjin Smith]

No it won't. The other countries will not follow australias lead at all because their media won't attack their own like we have. South Africans couldn't give a shit about ball tampering they care about winning the series and they have. **** they probably tampered during the game as well

I take from that you have never been to the UK. Our media savages cricket, football, athletes (i.e Olympics) etc whenever they can. Australia's media outlets have got nothing on the "quality" of The Sun, Daily Mail, Sky etc.

Du Plussis' famous label of the Aussies as Junkyard dogs can be equally applied to the English press.

 

[Run n Spread]

So we have a whitewash with Warner getting the KP treatment.

While I stand by my initial pov about the hysteria (although maybe not so massive now) given the blatant deception, lying, whispers and half truths I doubt this was the first time and I doubt only 3 people knew. Come on. What Smith and Bancroft did with hindsight was damage control at the initial presser to try get on top of the narrative. CA have come in harder through their investigator but the real story is hush hush.

IM new O CA knew they had an issue with culture, player behaviour and could no longer afford not to act so have fed Warner to the wolves. Smith is collateral damage as you can't give the Captain a lesser penalty than the deputy.

Still the rules need clarification. Assuming the ICC investigated properly (very doubtful) or basically went at the official hearings (half arsed) it shows just how seriously they took it when given the facts or their lack of want to find them Smith only got a test.

Yes sandpaper makes it very very bad. Premeditation worse. But 1 test? This must be so widespread. Clarify the rules. Either tamper or no working on the ball minus natural play. (What is shining after all but the opposite of roughing up hence tampering the natural condition of the ball to gain advantage).

 

[nineteen eighty]

I don’t think the genuine cricket fans are the ones kicking up this massive stink about it. Look what they did was wrong but most cricket fans would’ve been happy with a few games ban and loss of captaincy. Social media has blown this up so much it’s not funny.

You’ve got hypocritical ex players desperate to get their word in. Think it was Warne yesterday saying that they don’t really have a right to be taking the moral high ground considering most of the guys having a go have done similar things in the past.

Politians getting involved just because they want to be seen as though they give a shit. It’s just a circus. The way Smith is being carried around you’d think he’d just murdered someone. Everyone’s just jumping on the political bandwagon because it’s what Australia has become when there’s something to be pissed about. Political correctness gone mad again, because we “have to set an example” “what am I going to tell my kids about what’s happened” etc.

People forget that these guys have lives and families too. I’m sure everyone’s done something in the heat of the moment that they regret. The current Australia just loves to get on someone’s back and grind them into the dirt so there’s no possible way back. They sandpapered a ball for **** sake, not done for matchfixing. It’ll blow over in a few weeks and the people who were so vocal now won’t give two shits, half of them don’t support cricket, would’ve found something else to jump all over.

Worth a re-quote. The only item I take issue with is the highlighted part...IMO it would be greater than half. Unbelievable over-reaction to something that is common place within the game.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Oh for god's sake, keep your sensible suggestions to yourself...

... and it would give the umpires something to do. At the moment,with DRS, they are glorified coat-racks !!

 

[HBF]

At least there's a game of footy tonight to distract us from the cricket.

 

[blackcat]

Do you ever write like a ******* normal person?

how boring life would be bomberboy

 

[thejockey]

I think Sachin is too used to an environment that does not criticise or question him.

What a laugh.

One of the sports great batsman and arguably even greater hypocrite

Looking forward to hearing Sunil Gavaskars fair and reasonable take on the situation

 

[blackcat]

I pressed <like>

however, I wish to make a caveat. And actually, will give credit to Brad Scott, or was it Chris Scott, with the boiling frogs metaphor.

Basically, this behaviour was expected of the insufferable Australian cricket team, there is no way that Smith oughta pay for the rot that starting to set in under Waugh's captaincy, and his BS mythos about baggy green. No way Smith deserves to pay for this long-tail, and aggregation of (inverted) values.

It was just a little step out on that plank. But he should not pay the price for the two decades long consistent insufferability of the national cricket team.

how does them apples of Chris Gayle hitting on Mel McLaughlin on air, how them apples look now Malcolm Knox?

context is everything. No one is/are criminal, they play sport, we enable them, we bring the groupies and live vicariously...

Should it be the penalty that Du Plessis was given for the same offence?

Not defending Smith at all but consistency should be applied.

wasnt that his second offense? what would a second offense tell you? GeorgeWBush?

#foolmeonce?

 

[archibald]

For all those who question the precedent, i think Geoff Lemon sums it up well.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-...nd-warner-deserve-lemon/9599928?section=sport

 

[STK2020]

Smith will be playing next year.

We will see, cost so far to ACB is 20 million and climbing......i have my doubts.

 

[blackcat]

I pressed <like>

however, I wish to make a caveat. And actually, will give credit to Brad Scott, or was it Chris Scott, with the boiling frogs metaphor.

Basically, this behaviour was expected of the insufferable Australian cricket team, there is no way that Smith oughta pay for the rot that starting to set in under Waugh's captaincy, and his BS mythos about baggy green. No way Smith deserves to pay for this long-tail, and aggregation of (inverted) values.

It was just a little step out on that plank. But he should not pay the price for the two decades long consistent insufferability of the national cricket team.

how does them apples of Chris Gayle hitting on Mel McLaughlin on air, how them apples look now Malcolm Knox?

context is everything. No one is/are criminal, they play sport, we enable them, we bring the groupies and live vicariously...

Brett Geeves, certainly cant be the first time this link dropped in
https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricke...s/news-story/b116bf65a4a6420fba0e8d4dfb857a7e

Opinion: Steve Smith could become the scapegoat for a generation of Australian cheats, writes Brett Geeves

basically what I have said... thanks Geeves (ex Tassie rep, and played some matches for Australia)

...
Malcolm Turnbull did not make public comment. Leigh Sales did not tweet about it. The majority of journalists in the land did not sit on their high horses condemning the act. James Sutherland did not hold an emotional presser.

​

This is the nation’s brand. It defines us. It’s Leigh Sales’ team. Malcolm’s. Your team.

It is a brand that has always defined the nation’s hardworking, honest and affable culture. It has always been aligned to the traits of the people who feel immense ownership over the management, performance and integrity from which it draws its decisions.

It has always been at the forefront of the nation’s pride. It is a team that brings us all together in the type of harmonious way that no other national sport has with such sustained long-term regularity.
...

 

[skipper kelly]

So CA, being aware of the lenient punishments given out for ball tampering by the ICC, have never once spoken to the players and stated that they will come over the top of the ICC penalties if any players are ever caught ball tampering. It kind of feels like there was an attitude from the top down that we don't want to know what you are doing but don't get caught.

Where were all these overpaid marketing/media gurus that allowed Smith and Bancroft to front a media conference and answer questions about a current investigation? Where was the coach? Where was Pat Howard?

 

[STK2020]

It is so terrifying that people who support these suspensions are allowed to vote.

Every time you transgress the rules you have "cheated". And most of the time you have done it with some level of pre-meditation.

Every sport in the world has different levels of how bad a form of cheating a particular action is.

Drug cheats are - rightly or wrongly - considered the worst along with match fixers.

Divers tend to be considered much lesser cheats. And there are a whole pile of transgressions in every sport that are - rightly or wrongly - considered better or worse than each other. Head high tacklers, trippers, head duckers, time wasters, players who run over the mark in AFL , etc etc.

In cricket, ball tampering is considered moderately serious. It might get you a ban for a game but it certainly doesn't get you 4 years like drug cheating. If you don't think that is a fair punishment then you should lobby to have the rule/punishment changed for *all* people not just Australians in this instance.

People who say "but they deliberately did it" are of course completely ignorant. If you change the condition of the ball by pure accident then you won't get punished for it *at all*. If you did it deliberately then you will. The 4 demerit points doesn't magically become 100 demerit points because you did it deliberately. If it was accidental then it would be zero demerit points not the other way around. The fact that more than one person is at fault means that it is right that more than one person gets the 4 demerit points but it doesn't for a second mean that everybody should get 100 demerit points. And I have no idea why the sandpaper has anything to do with anything. The players were trying to get the ball changed rather than to make it swing, so what they were trying to use to wreck the ball enough to do that is irrelevant. If they had taken a jackhammer to it, nothing would change.

This situation has set a precedent that the CA can, at a whim, slap a 12 month penalty on any player if a bunch of social media misfits get hysterical about them transgressing any law at all.

All intelligent people will know that the next time one of our players doesn't walk when the other team has run out of reviews, then the media will be asking why he didn't get slapped with a one year ban for cheating the way Smith and Warner have.

All intelligent people will know that this sets a horrible precedent for players to never front any press conference without a team of lawyers on standby.

And all intelligent people will know that no captain will *ever* support their players ever again - they will just throw them under the bus knowing that if they take any sort of responsibility they will get everything the other player gets and more - much more in fact because social media misfits will say there was collusion stemming from the Pope on down.

Shouldve guessed an Essendon fan would condone cheating.

 

[blackcat]

For all those who question the precedent, i think Geoff Lemon sums it up well.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-...nd-warner-deserve-lemon/9599928?section=sport

insider-outsider lens.

the journos are fans employed as stenographers

 

[peppy la pew]

Faf Du Zipp

 

[hoianbulldog]

De **** obviously shot way below the belt with his comments, and I know Warner is no angel on the field, and he no doubt would go ok with the banter. But I'm curious to know what the abuse is that you say Warner started?...

I dont know specifically. . The ozzies had the mikes turned off. That pretty much says it all really. Just join the dots.

 

[JimDocker]

For all those who question the precedent, i think Geoff Lemon sums it up well.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-...nd-warner-deserve-lemon/9599928?section=sport

Geoff Lemon is a terrific writer. Apart from being a great wordsmith, he gets to the essence of a story better than anybody in Australia. He has nailed it here.

 

[Gough]

I dont know specifically. . The ozzies had the mikes turned off. That pretty much says it all really. Just join the dots.

I can't imagine the Warner wit producing particularly brilliant sledges, variations of you're f***ing shit strike me as being more his style.

 

[archibald]

insider-outsider lens.

the journos are fans employed as stenographers

Sure. Don't think that invalidates are very reasonable analysis of the facts though.

 

[blackcat]

Geoff Lemon is a terrific writer. Apart from being a great wordsmith, he gets to the essence of a story better than anybody in Australia. He has nailed it here.

one year the perfect ban?

what a SJW muppet, demonstrates the ignorance scapegoating them.

I reckon this entire d'affaire is amusing, but the justice for the players manifestly lacking. I don't like Warner, but I like few sportsmen, what the regular Joe Bloggs could know would shock them... like gough said, winning covers alot of crimes, and blissful ignorance