Australian cheating at Newlands, where to from here?

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LordLucifer said:
Totally agree.

If the other countries want to be soft then be it on their head.

We have lost all moral high ground in this sport over the past few years, at least with these sanctions, the next time someone else gets caught we can point the finger and say "well we took strong action, what are you going to do ??".
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Totally agree. After this dies down other cricketing nations, including England, will know that Australia have now set the benchmark in how we view and sanction these types of offences. At least Australia can be proud of that (if nothing else).
 
IHurley said:
It is so terrifying that people who support these suspensions are allowed to vote.

Every time you transgress the rules you have "cheated". And most of the time you have done it with some level of pre-meditation.

Every sport in the world has different levels of how bad a form of cheating a particular action is.

Drug cheats are - rightly or wrongly - considered the worst along with match fixers.

Divers tend to be considered much lesser cheats. And there are a whole pile of transgressions in every sport that are - rightly or wrongly - considered better or worse than each other. Head high tacklers, trippers, head duckers, time wasters, players who run over the mark in AFL , etc etc.

In cricket, ball tampering is considered moderately serious. It might get you a ban for a game but it certainly doesn't get you 4 years like drug cheating. If you don't think that is a fair punishment then you should lobby to have the rule/punishment changed for *all* people not just Australians in this instance.

People who say "but they deliberately did it" are of course completely ignorant. If you change the condition of the ball by pure accident then you won't get punished for it *at all*. If you did it deliberately then you will. The 4 demerit points doesn't magically become 100 demerit points because you did it deliberately. If it was accidental then it would be zero demerit points not the other way around. The fact that more than one person is at fault means that it is right that more than one person gets the 4 demerit points but it doesn't for a second mean that everybody should get 100 demerit points. And I have no idea why the sandpaper has anything to do with anything. The players were trying to get the ball changed rather than to make it swing, so what they were trying to use to wreck the ball enough to do that is irrelevant. If they had taken a jackhammer to it, nothing would change.

This situation has set a precedent that the CA can, at a whim, slap a 12 month penalty on any player if a bunch of social media misfits get hysterical about them transgressing any law at all.

All intelligent people will know that the next time one of our players doesn't walk when the other team has run out of reviews, then the media will be asking why he didn't get slapped with a one year ban for cheating the way Smith and Warner have.

All intelligent people will know that this sets a horrible precedent for players to never front any press conference without a team of lawyers on standby.

And all intelligent people will know that no captain will *ever* support their players ever again - they will just throw them under the bus knowing that if they take any sort of responsibility they will get everything the other player gets and more - much more in fact because social media misfits will say there was collusion stemming from the Pope on down.
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If this was a piss take or troll well played.

If it wasn't....o_Oo_O:huh::oops::eek:

Thanks for the laugh, either way.

Signed
A Terrifying Voter
 
IHurley said:
How is it a reach? All the people here are saying that "they are cheaters, ergo they deserve a one year penalty".

Therefore, any form of cheating deserves a one year penalty. I am merely applying their logic here. And I will no doubt expect the same when we watch the footy tonight. If a single player does anything at all that costs a free kick (or even if it doesn't) and could be described as deliberate then the precedent has been set and every single poster on this forum who supports these penalties will, I am sure, call for a 12 month ban.

It's perfectly simple. If you think "cheating is cheating" then you have to accept the logical consequences of this position. If you believe that there are different levels of cheating then you will find this ruling a disgrace as it applies a completely different set of criteria to this particular form than had ever previously taken place.

As for captains supporting their players you do realise that according to the CA his complicity was minimal don't you?

How can people not be concerned about the precedent set here?

But I guess that was my point about them being allowed to vote.
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It's a reach because you compared not walking to ball tampering in that they would ensue the same outrage
 

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Plugger35 said:
You can't seriously compare giving away a free kick in footy to ball tampering in cricket, giving away free kicks is part of the game, ball tampering is not.
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I am not comparing it. Other people are. That's my point.

I am not somebody who says "cheating is cheating is cheating" because I know that not every transgression of a rule is worth the same punishment.

However, all the people who are justifying these extreme punishments are using the above, and only the above, as their argument.
 
archibald said:
It's a reach because you compared not walking to ball tampering in that they would ensue the same outrage
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Right. So there you go.

Like I said, transgression of a rule *plus* outraged twitter posters = one year bans. Your argument rests entirely on the (not at all ridiculous belief) that public outrage is always a wise guide to what is right and wrong.
 
Plugger35 said:
You can't seriously compare giving away a free kick in footy to ball tampering in cricket, giving away free kicks is part of the game, ball tampering is not.
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Old m8, you've met your match here. But unlike you, i think he's serious :eek:
 
Demosthenes said:
Your second paragraph does not follow from the first.
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Sure it does. They are - according to the CA - getting such severe punishments because a) they transgressed the rules; and b) there has been public outrage.

In every other case we expect the punishment to fit the crime, in line with how it has historically been treated and with how the rules, as stated, say it should be treated.

But in this case we are throwing such principles out the window because public outrage trumps all.
 
Total_Juddshanks said:
Credit where credit is due, has any nation in the history of world cricket ever trolled Australia quite as effectively as the South Africa have this past month? They've flogged us to pieces on the scoreboard, sledged us to the point of incoherent rage on and off the field, and somehow managed to get the captain to completely trash his and the coaches reputation beyond the point of no return.

With carefully directed effort and some judicious application to mental pressure points delivered under cover of those idiotic sounding accents, they have somehow presided over the total obliteration of Australian cricket.

Well played saffers, well played.
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:p :D :D
 
Not sure it's been mentioned this is a hot topic and I ain't scrolling through pages. How about a rule where the players get the ball back as quick as possible to the bowler. If there is tampering it's on the bowler. Also would help with over rates.
 
A lot of posters are bemoaning the heavy sanctions applied to these players but what they fail to acknowledge is the overall damage & cost to the game here in Australia they have inflicted :

Wealth-management company Magellan has terminated its three-year sponsorship agreement with Cricket Australia in response to the ball-tampering scandal.

The naming rights sponsorship of the men's national cricket team's domestic series, estimated to be worth as much as $20 million, only started ahead of last summer's Ashes Test series and was supposed to run for two more seasons.
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This is not 'pie & tea money', this is big bucks and a lot of it trickles down to the many lower levels of the game for development etc. If this money is removed permanently (albeit in the short-term) then everyone in the game suffers because certain players at the top have thought they were above reproach.

These sanctions should hit them hard financially as it appears sponsors are severing their ties with them for individual sponsorships & endorsements. The players have lived the high life recently so I doubt they will be on Struggle Street anytime soon though.

Athletic shoe company ASICS has also torn up its contracts with disgraced players David Warner and Cameron Bancroft.

The company, which supplies uniforms to the Australian team, announced on Twitter it had severed ties with the pair, "effective immediately".

Electronics company LG had already turned its back on Warner, announcing it would not renew its sponsorship deal, which is set to expire in weeks.
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https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/com...ver-ball-tampering/ar-AAvdTYa?ocid=spartandhp
 

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sponsors are going to bail only to take advantage of CA, in say 18 months down the track they'll come back, whereby they'll bend CA over a barrell and there'll be nothing CA can do about it. Funds are going to be thin for a while.
 
The forgotten men - the umpires. How come they can't exert a bit more authority over how the games are played? They only seem to get involved in matters of dissent, or running on the pitch. They must hear all sorts of stuff that is likely to escalate tensions between teams. Can't they stop it, or at least report it after the day's play? Maybe we should have microphones as well as cameras, every player miked up :drunk:.
 
LordLucifer said:
A lot of posters are bemoaning the heavy sanctions applied to these players but what they fail to acknowledge is the overall damage & cost to the game here in Australia they have inflicted :



This is not 'pie & tea money', this is big bucks and a lot of it trickles down to the many lower levels of the game for development etc. If this money is removed permanently (albeit in the short-term) then everyone in the game suffers because certain players at the top have thought they were above reproach.

These sanctions should hit them hard financially as it appears sponsors are severing their ties with them for individual sponsorships & endorsements. The players have lived the high life recently so I doubt they will be on Struggle Street anytime soon though.



https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/com...ver-ball-tampering/ar-AAvdTYa?ocid=spartandhp
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You can always spend more than you make, but wow i really hope rubbing some paper on a ball was worth all of this what absolute baffons i cant fathom even in the slightest why Smith did not put a end to it once he knew.
 

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