Australian cheating at Newlands, where to from here?

[Bumpswithagrin]

The everybody's doing it argument also makes it even less plausible that it was only Warner, Smith and Bancroft who were in on this.

In on what exactly though? I think it's plausible that the rest of the team didn't know about the sandpaper as such but they would have known that the usual methods were being used.

It's interesting, I have heard ex-Australian test players saying it's quite possible that only two or three people could have concocted this plan in the lunch break and others and the coach would not have known about it as they don't all sit around a table as a group at lunch or anything. AND I've heard other ex-Australian test players saying the dressing rooms are not that big and they would have all known about it!

 

[nobbyiscool]

Tough to believe anything that Warner said about accepting responsibility for his role in what happened when he repeatedly flat out refused to discuss his role.

 

[parsons nose]

I agree with your view of what cricket should like. I just don't agree that Australia are the only ones doing it. According to many that have played at the highest level it is commonplace. There have certainly been enough players from many different countries caught to support that.

The argument regarding other nations is an important one. And I’m not defending contraventions of the laws of the game by other nations. But the argument that condones cheating on the basis of that other teams are doing it, simply doesn’t wash. And it’s because of this mentality that we find ourselves where we are now. It’s retaliatory, and retaliation is not conducive to leadership. If Langer is the type of leader, those who know say he is, I look forward to some good hard cricket from the Australian cricket team, without the sideshow. And I will be getting behind them.

 

[Numtums]

SJW talk nonsense about White Male Privilege, but Dave Warner is as close to it as you'll get for definition.

Spoon fed since 16, never worked hard for an opportunity and the frat house jock that thinks he can do whatever he likes as a consequence of years of getting away with grubbiness because he's the school house Captain.

Well F U Dave Warner, enjoy your ban and hopefully we'll be able to enjoy cricket without you even coming back!

Sponsors, jump off this train wreck!

 

[Numtums]

Tough to believe anything that Warner said about accepting responsibility for his role in what happened when he repeatedly flat out refused to discuss his role.

Always the victim, never his fault.

Just like when SA decided to sledge his wife for absolutely no reason at all.

 

[DJMac]

The argument regarding other nations is an important one. And I’m not defending contraventions of the laws of the game by other nations. But the argument that condones cheating on the basis of that other teams are doing it, simply doesn’t wash. And it’s because of this mentality that we find ourselves where we are now. It’s retaliatory, and retaliation is not conducive to leadership. If Langer is the type of leader, those who know say he is, I look forward to some good hard cricket from the Australian cricket team, without the sideshow. And I will be getting behind them.

Once again I think we agree on what we want cricket to be. I also agree that we don't need to follow the lead of the others. In fact overall we probably have bahaved worse than most.

However the other countries should not take the moral high ground here. The only difference is that their people and their cricket boards are prepared to leave these matters to the ICC.

 

[Numtums]

David Warner‏Verified account @davidwarner31 11m11 minutes ago
1/3 I know there are unanswered questions and lots of them. I completely understand. In time i will do my best to answer them all. But there is a formal CA process to follow.

2/3 I am taking advice to make sure I properly comply with that process and answer all questions in the proper place and at the proper time.

3/3 I should have mentioned that in my press conference I’m sorry for not making it clearer. With so much at stake for my family and cricket I have to follow this process properly. I think that’s fair.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Tough to believe anything that Warner said about accepting responsibility for his role in what happened when he repeatedly flat out refused to discuss his role.

Well you know what I would refuse too. The media have got their pound of flesh as has CA and past and present players all waiting in line for their chance.

I wouldn't be polite either.

 

[Plugger35]

Warner’s deflections were better than his recent batting defence in Sth Africa.

Not a good look for mine, very robotic I thought.

Even his tears looked forced, he didn't seem as genuinely upset as Smith was about it.

 

[King Elvis]

Warner is screwed either way - if he put others in, he’d be even more hated.

 

[parsons nose]

Once again I think we agree on what we want cricket to be. I also agree that we don't need to follow the lead of the others. In fact overall we probably have bahaved worse than most.

However the other countries should not take the moral high ground here. The only difference is that their people and their cricket boards are prepared to leave these matters to the ICC.

Yes, and I think there is a general consensus the ICC have been found to be a bit of toothless tiger concerning such matters.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Warner is screwed either way - if he put others in, he’d be even more hated.

Penalty to be reduced in exchange for staying quiet maybe

 

[Run n Spread]

Sutherland has to go.

Enough of the scapegoating/bullshit cover ups and convenient white washes.

If CA really want to fix the culture and not just protect their brand then they need to be honest with the public about what is happening and let everyone make up their mind as to their support of cricket.

Otherwise nothing will change. Sure no one will ball temper or overtly chastise someone in corridors but another scandal will fester and eventually blow up because rather than deal with issues properly these last 20 years+ there is a whitewashed "Officially Sanctioned Story."

CA has allowed this type of thing to fester in the ranks and be handed down. Which eventually filters to the players. It even goes above Lehman.

CA may think they are too clever by half in banishing their nemesis Warner but they are creating a far worse problem down the track.

Maybe Cricket in this country is totally stuffed. CA had one chance thou to fix it up and remodel it but instead they went the BS corporate approach with prepared statements and an accepted narrative.

Never mind the tears Smith, Warner and Bancroft should appeal the shit out of this and save their careers rather than take the fall for Sutherland and the board.

 

[Caj]

SJW talk nonsense about White Male Privilege, but Dave Warner is as close to it as you'll get for definition.

Spoon fed since 16, never worked hard for an opportunity and the frat house jock that thinks he can do whatever he likes as a consequence of years of getting away with grubbiness because he's the school house Captain.

Well F U Dave Warner, enjoy your ban and hopefully we'll be able to enjoy cricket without you even coming back!

Sponsors, jump off this train wreck!

WTF are u on about?

Warner grew up in a commission flat in western Sydney, his background is the polar opposite from what you are suggesting

This whole saga would be a lot less painful if there weren’t so many ignorant journalists and people on social media putting their opinions forward about something they clearly have no idea

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Tough to believe anything that Warner said about accepting responsibility for his role in what happened when he repeatedly flat out refused to discuss his role.

None of them discussed their role or how it came about. And neither they should have. Wait for the enquiry. I can't believe people expect them to answer every question the media feel entitled to dish up.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Even his tears looked forced, he didn't seem as genuinely upset as Smith was about it.

Rubbish

 

[Numtums]

WTF are u on about?

Warner grew up in a commission flat in western Sydney, his background is the polar opposite from what you are suggesting

This whole saga would be a lot less painful if there weren’t so many ignorant journalists and people on social media putting their opinions forward about something they clearly have no idea

I'm talking about his cricketing career and how he's been groomed for a position he didn't earn because of identified talent at 16 and no matter how piss poor his behaviour since, because he's good at cricket we'll just let him do whatever he likes.

How many bad PA stories over the last 5 years have involved Warner? Yet he was still given the vice captaincy.

CA created this monster! Again, why have a Shield competition if a select few never have to go through it. That's the privilege im taking about.

 

[ROOTA#6]

Not a good look for him that his wife was being comforted by a PR spin doctor either. He is being poorly advised the lad

 

[Chief]

From an outside perspective, these "front the media and break down crying" things are, IMO, a sham.

Would any player have gone through the rest of his life breaking down crying in private, guilty and ashamed over his part in the cheating? Not likely. Probably he would have been smug about beating the system and look for other ways to do it.

The tears are for their lost reputation and income, not their decision to cheat.

 

[BRWB]

From an outside perspective, these "front the media and break down crying" things are, IMO, a sham.

Would any player have gone through the rest of his life breaking down crying in private, guilty and ashamed over his part in the cheating? Not likely. Probably he would have been smug about beating the system and look for other ways to do it.

The tears are for their lost reputation and income, not their decision to cheat.

Crying like little boys caught with their grubby little hands in the cookie jar.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

The further this thing goes the more disgusted I am by officialdom (CA and ICC) for historical apathy, media scum and past players settling old scores and the less disgruntled I am by Warner, Smith and Bancroft who've each had their hearts ripped out by poor choices but ones that are prevalent and accepted on the international stage. Wrong but let's get right balance because we are destroying peoples lives here. Sacrificial lambs

 

[SportsCentre]

I haven't said much at all about the entire saga.
I think for me, there have been degrees of "ball tampering" all over the world.
Deliberately scuffing the ball with bounce throws, rubbing it into the boundary fence / guttering, using sunscreen etc, etc.
For mine, the line in this instance is that they brought a foreign object onto the field to change the ball.

 

[Taylor]

Tough to believe anything that Warner said about accepting responsibility for his role in what happened when he repeatedly flat out refused to discuss his role.

He just watched his captain get a 12 month ban, allegedly without being involved at all, after taking responsibility for it in a press conference immediately after the fact - he needs to be careful what he says in an environment like that.

 

[JackOutback]

Tough to believe anything that Warner said about accepting responsibility for his role in what happened when he repeatedly flat out refused to discuss his role.

So, just like Smith and Bancroft?

They have all dodged questions about who was involved and how long it was going on, which means they are still lying and are only really sorry for being caught and the humiliation that has ensued. I understand why, given the context of ball tampering in international cricket, but if the cheating is the problem then they need to be honest. If it's only the embarrassment of the ridiculous plan and being caught, then we need to accept the lies and cheating will continue and three people are serving ridiculous bans.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

From an outside perspective, these "front the media and break down crying" things are, IMO, a sham.

Would any player have gone through the rest of his life breaking down crying in private, guilty and ashamed over his part in the cheating? Not likely. Probably he would have been smug about beating the system and look for other ways to do it.

The tears are for their lost reputation and income, not their decision to cheat.

With respect that is an incredibly naive attitude. The emotions are clearly genuine. These players have dedicated their lives to achieve a certain level and the honour that goes with it........that honour being the chance to wear the baggy green and walk the path that Australian greats have in history if only for a brief time. But it is a double edged sword not just an honour but a burden and responsibility too......to respect and preserve what has been built and passed down through generations of players who have preceded them a standard and ethos about the game and how Australians play it. Time and again they have spilt blood for that honour/ responsibility. Make no mistake the central theme of their uniform heartache is that they now view themselves as failing that responsibility. The whole nation for whom they have made those sacrifices have forsaken them and it tears at their hearts- the immense pain is tangible. You can see it.

This whole thing is very wrong because it is the administrators who through apathy have failed to drive change to acceptable moral standards