Australian cheating at Newlands, where to from here?

[Admiral Byng]

Email from CA, received just now, shit to hit the fan on Wednesday.:

To our Australian Cricket Fans,

I would like to provide you with an update on the situation with the Australian Men’s Cricket Team and the investigation currently underway into what transpired at Cape Town.

Our Head of Integrity will arrive in South Africa shortly to continue his inquiries around the specifics of the ball tampering incident.

I am travelling to South Africa this evening, arriving on Tuesday morning local time, at which point I will meet with our Head of Integrity to understand the findings of the investigation to that point, and to consider the outcomes.

We are aiming to be in a position to fully update the Australian public on the investigation and outcomes on Wednesday morning AEDT.

We understand the strong interest everyone has in this situation and we are following due process to properly address all of the relevant issues involved.

We recognise how important the fans are to our game, and this process is the beginning of restoring your faith in Australian Cricket.



James Sutherland
Chief Executive Officer - Cricket Australia

 

[Doss]

Credit where credit is due, has any nation in the history of world cricket ever trolled Australia quite as effectively as the South Africa have this past month? They've flogged us to pieces on the scoreboard, sledged us to the point of incoherent rage on and off the field, and somehow managed to get the captain to completely trash his and the coaches reputation beyond the point of no return.

Well played saffers, well played.

It would be more perversely impressive if they also didn't behave pretty poorly themselves.

Make no mistake - while Australia have gone way above and beyond in the bad stakes here, there's very little to recommend the spirit South Africa have played the game in, in general over the past 18 or so months, either. There was an edge to them when they were in Australia at the end of 2016, they ran into trouble when they toured England last year, their series with India was at least a bit fractious and of course this series has been a farce. Rabada seeming to get into trouble every five minutes, De Kock, Faf ball tampering...

South Africa can rightfully say they haven't done what Australia have done, but nor can they claim they've been any sort of bastion of the good spirit of cricket either.

 

[Catters 070911]

Warner and Smith will lose millions from this. Who would pay big bucks to have these as ambassadors.

Smith keeps saying ‘it’s not what we’re about’, yet they consciously planned it over lunch time; it’s not as if he rubbed the ball against his zipper in a moment of mindlessness.

Here's a question:- Will sponsors pull out on the Australian cricket team, and will their endorsement deals dry up.

Hey, an AFL club just has to have a player sneeze and not use a hankie and a sponsor threatens to pull out. Surely, there will be many sponsors considering their options, as well as those who have Smith and other Aussie cricketers promote and endorse products. So Smith and co could lose millions there as well.

 

[Richard Pryor]

It would be more perversely impressive if they also didn't behave pretty poorly behave themselves.

Make no mistake - while Australia have gone way above and beyond in the bad stakes here, there's very little to recommend the spirit South Africa have played the game in, in general over the past 18 or so months, either. There was an edge to them when they were in Australia at the end of 2016, they ran into trouble when they toured England last year, their series with India was at least a bit fractious and of course this series has been a farce. Rabada seeming to get into trouble every five minutes, Faf ball tampering...

South Africa can rightfully say they haven't done what Australia have done, but nor can they claim they've been any sort of bastion of the good spirit of cricket either.

Yep. It's a bit of run ribbing Stuart Broad, but I think Faf genuinely seems to be a bit of a shit bloke with the way he goes about it.

 

[JackOutback]

The thing is, too, that he brought something out of the dressing room to use on the ball.

This isn't a momentarily thing of using a bit of sand, or stones on the ground to rough up the ball. It wasn't a case of Bancroft seeing something at his disposal on the field and, in a moment of weakness, doing it. To bring up the tape meant that it was planned, and that, I think in the eyes of most, has made it worse.

One thing it does. It means no more moral high ground and finger-waving at the behaviour of other countries. It is like the saying "Point the finger at someone, and there could be ten pointing back at you".

I hope what emerges from this is a more respectful, and humble Australian cricket team who don't send stupid tweets or sledge on the field, but shut up and restrict their "hate" to wanting to beat their opposition on the cricket field.

You can still point out cheating when it occurs, even when f you were once guilty of the same. Look at South Africa and the Poms.

 

[Catters 070911]

I feel sorry for Bancroft, clearly wasnt his idea and probably volunteered as he was in the room at the time because he wants to be a part of the team

That's probably how Trevor Chappell felt as well.

 

[Underdog]

Isn’t Bancroft our leading run scorer this series?

Correct. 223 runs at 37.17, ahead of Warner (217) and Mitch Marsh (172). Paine with the best average due to red ink.

 

[PhatBoy]

It would be more perversely impressive if they also didn't behave pretty poorly themselves.

Make no mistake - while Australia have gone way above and beyond in the bad stakes here, there's very little to recommend the spirit South Africa have played the game in, in general over the past 18 or so months, either. There was an edge to them when they were in Australia at the end of 2016, they ran into trouble when they toured England last year, their series with India was at least a bit fractious and of course this series has been a farce. Rabada seeming to get into trouble every five minutes, De Kock, Faf ball tampering...

South Africa can rightfully say they haven't done what Australia have done, but nor can they claim they've been any sort of bastion of the good spirit of cricket either.

I think their claim on the upper hand revolves around a man for man advantage. Realistically in the period you’ve mentioned, Faf and Rabada have been their bad guys, De Kock during one brief exchange, while Philander’s perennial celebrappeal is incredibly annoying it’s not illegal or anything (that I know of anyway) so that probably makes them look better than perhaps their behaviour deserves to look.

 

[PhatBoy]

Any truth to the rumour that Rabada will lend Warner his lawyer so he can keep getting him out?

 

[Catters 070911]

I love how Pup is using this to garner the Aussie public. Firstly we don't know what happens, and secondly really?

Call me a cynic but Pup has done some ball tampering or knew about it as captain, wasn't a fan of Smith (they butted heads if I can recall), and he's trying to garner support. God, I'm suh a cynic

How do you know Clarke ball tampered? You just base that on the fact that you don't like him.

Smith has ADMITTED to knowing about it, allowing it. I wouldn't blame Clarke for secretly feeling justified when his critics bagged him at every opportunity for things not nearly as bad as ball-tampering.

While golden boy Smith has been exposed and shown his true colors, and many Australians, by their support of Smith and criticism of Clarke, have shown how poor they are at judging character.

 

[Woody15]

It makes sense Blue. Warner gets abused by a supporter. Lehmann comes out and criticises the behaviour of the crowds, sounding like a moron. Lehmann and Warner get together and say **** it, had enough of being here, lets get one back on these Saffers. Warner and Smith talk, Smith has not got it in him to tell Warner it is not on, he will do anything Warner wants because Smith he has not got the assertiveness and skills needed to be a leader of men. Bancroft is roped into it because he is just starting his test career and wants to fit in with the so called leaders. I reckon Lehmann should be the first person to be given the arse, and It would not surprise me if Saker had something to do with it as well. Lewis was caught ball tampering under Saker's coaching in a Sheffield Shield Final.

Interesting read and along the same line (apologies if you were referring to this article)

Warner did not receive any sanction from the ICC over his part in the scheme but according to senior figures will not be allowed to play in the fourth Test.

Those in the hierarchy at CA have been made aware of suggestions that the vice-captain was the chief conspirator and that Smith foolishly agreed.

Others close to the Australian dressing room, however, are adamant that the blame should not rest with one or two individuals and that the whole team and set-up around it should take the fall

Warner has been the team's primary ball manager on the ground in recent times but Bancroft, playing in only his eighth Test, took on those duties at Newlands.

 

[Blue1980]

Interesting read and along the same line (apologies if you were referring to this article)

This article existed after the original theory here. Seems their using big footy as their source or we are bang on the money.

 

[Woody15]

This article existed after the original theory here. Seems their using big footy as their source or we are bang on the money.

I just saw ur other post with this article..

 

[Catters 070911]

Reckon Clarkes approach to cricket was similar to an entrepreneurs approach to business. Success, excellence and career advancement at ANY cost.

Made him a great batsmen and onfield captain, and a terrible off-field one.

But he never was captain when a ball-tampering saga happened.

 

[Blue1980]

How do you know Clarke ball tampered? You just base that on the fact that you don't like him.

Smith has ADMITTED to knowing about it, allowing it. I wouldn't blame Clarke for secretly feeling justified when his critics bagged him at every opportunity for things not nearly as bad as ball-tampering.

While golden boy Smith has been exposed and shown his true colors, and many Australians, by their support of Smith and criticism of Clarke, have shown how poor they are at judging character.

Agree with a lot of this. I mentioned in another thread I think Boof and Warner didn’t like Clarke as they couldn’t manipulate him and set their own agendas, which they can do with Smith.

For better or worse Clarkey is his own man and wouldn’t of allowed such a plan to happen, regardless of the cheating aspect he would of realized it was just stupid.

 

[itchee40]

Interesting read and along the same line (apologies if you were referring to this article)

Where was that from?


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[Woody15]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...f-ball-tampering-scandal-20180326-p4z6d3.html

 

[Blue1980]

But he never was captain when a ball-tampering saga happened.

On what proof did Clarkey cheat? He was more inclined for wacky field placements or mixing up bowling changes, rather than just bowl the same 4 guys and if that doesn’t work get Davey to concoct a plan to get the ball to reverse.

 

[itchee40]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...f-ball-tampering-scandal-20180326-p4z6d3.html

This article existed after the original theory here. Seems their using big footy as their source or we are bang on the money.

We must be close


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[Catters 070911]

You can still point out cheating when it occurs, even when f you were once guilty of the same. Look at South Africa and the Poms.

But Australian cricket's high horse isn't as high anymore, in fact currently it is a pony.

Anytime Australia point the finger from now on, the captain of the other country will just bring this up, every time, and they will be right.

 

[Catters 070911]

Agree with a lot of this. I mentioned in another thread I think Boof and Warner didn’t like Clarke as they couldn’t manipulate him and set their own agendas, which they can do with Smith.

For better or worse Clarkey is his own man and wouldn’t of allowed such a plan to happen, regardless of the cheating aspect he would of realized it was just stupid.

That's what happens when you have a man of integrity as captain, like Clarke was.

It is more important to have integrity than be everyone's mate, like people expected Michael Clarke to be to his teammates.

 

[Blue1980]

But Australian cricket's high horse isn't as high anymore, in fact currently it is a pony.

Anytime Australia point the finger from now on, the captain of the other country will just bring this up, every time, and they will be right.

We need to follow the unofficial code of ball tampering, only sugary saliva can go into the ball, the way God intended it to be.

 

[JackOutback]

But Australian cricket's high horse isn't as high anymore, in fact currently it is a pony.

Anytime Australia point the finger from now on, the captain of the other country will just bring this up, every time, and they will be right.

If Lance Armstrong points out a drug cheat and is correct, the fact it's Lance Armstrong doesn't suddenly make it incorrect. Just as Faf is correct when he calls Smith a cheat. Doesn't mean he didn't cheat as well.

 

[Blue1980]

That's what happens when you have a man of integrity as captain, like Clarke was.

It is more important to have integrity than be everyone's mate, like people expected Michael Clarke to be to his teammates.

100% true and why Clarkey was a better captain than smith.

Prior to this I rated Clarke higher tactically but thought smith had the backing of the team but seemed a bit of a pasty for Boof.

Now I know he’s basically a lame duck figurehead for Boof and Davey.

So basically there is no aspect of the captaincy in which Smith is better than Clarke, unless you are Boof or Davey

 

[Catters 070911]

If Lance Armstrong points out a drug cheat and is correct, the fact it's Lance Armstrong doesn't suddenly make it incorrect. Just as Faf is correct when he calls Smith a cheat. Doesn't mean he didn't cheat as well.

I think if Lance Armstrong pointed out a drug cheat, no one would believe him.