Opinion AUSTRALIAN Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 5

[Cap]

I was going to take Kirky’s advice (I swear), but it really has to be pointed out how cheap and lazy this shitty argument is.

What if someone came into the footy threads and told you, Matthew Nicks played 175 games of AFL football, who the f*ck are you to criticize him?

Ben Keays is an AFL professional…how many AFL games have you played? How many AFL clubs have you been involved with?

See how positively s**t that argument is?

“Experts“ and people in professional fields get it wrong all the time. In fact, the “expert class” has never been more discredited and compromised than it is now.

You seem to understand this on the football board, when talking about corrupt organizations like the AFL, but have a total blindspot when it comes to your precious lockdowns and heart attack jabs.

Which brings me to my next point: ALL experts don’t agree. Plenty of them have issues with this stuff.

As for following medical advice…none of the relevant advisory bodies.. not ATAGI, not the Immunisation Coalition, not the nation’s chief medical officer.. nobody… recommended widespread vaccine mandates.

They were a political decision, made by state premiers and their lackey state-level bureaucrats. Link: Immunisation expert panel didn't recommend Covid vaccine mandates

For a guy who doesn’t trust politicians, you sure fell hook, line and sinker for that one.

To pretend all of the above doesn’t exist, and run the shitty, ridiculous arguments that lockdowns, mask and vaccine mandates were just fantastic and not enormously damaging, requires you to pretend that anyone who questions it is insane.

But everyone knows that’s just a last-ditch act of desperation for a failing narrative.

My family and I go to doctors, we go to hospitals, we have private healthcare, I trust and respect (some) medical professionals and listen to their advice.

I take it under advisement and then weigh it against other medical opinions (which btw are frequently not the same), my own medical history (which I know best) and, importantly, any competing interests from the people administering the advice.

It might shock you to know, and I’m terribly sorry to break this news to you, but pharmaceutical megacorporations don’t give one single flying f*ck about your health, and neither do some of the medical professionals incentivised to prescribe their products. In fact, they profit from your ill-health.

Who knew, right!?

Prediction: you will never take an mRNA shot ever again.

If I’m wrong about that, be my guest, and come and post your vaccine passport the next time you take one. Do that and I’ll never mention this topic again.

You shouldn’t have an issue with that, given you wanted people to show it to participate in society.

Okay Kirky, now I’ll shut up.

I'll also shut up about covid after this.

But I want you to promise the board you will never ever take an Mrna vaccine ever again.

No matter the circumstances.

What’s next for mRNA vaccines

mRNA vaccines helped us through the covid-19 pandemic—but they could also help defend against many other infectious diseases, offer universal protection against flu, and even treat cancer.

www.google.com

But while the first approved mRNA vaccines are for covid-19, similar vaccines are now being explored for a whole host of other diseases. Malaria, HIV, tuberculosis, and Zika are just some of the potential targets. mRNA vaccines might also be used in cancer treatments tailored to individual people. Here, the idea is to trigger a specific response by the immune system—one that is designed to attack tumor cells in the body.

You don't even need to respond, just like it.

Any response or covid posts are just going to get an emoji response.

 

[MrKK]

A covid thread is the appropriate place.

Should the Voice referendum have had its own thread? How about separate for State and Federal politics? How many political threads do you want on this board?

So... instead of engaging in a meaningless discussion on masks that has nothing to do with 2024 Australia.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/simple-anthony-albaneses-stern-message-to-supermarkets-amid-costofliving-crisis/news-story/de90b7d517687cc5ffa7216b5a48ecdf

The cost of living crises without a doubt is the bigger killer than mask mandates!

A big driver of the cost of living crisis is Covid lockdowns. Pumping hundreds of billions into the economy whilst shutting down supply was always going to cause inflation down the line.

You use TDS wrong. TDS is a dislike for Trump that ignores facts to run an anti Trump narrative. Ignoring facts to ran a pro trump narrative could also be called TDS can it not? lol

Now here's something that definitely belongs in another thread.

 

[Cap]

Stage 3 back on the agenda.

 

[Cap]

CEOs and staff disagree on how much to work from home in 2024. But there's a simple solution

As 2024 kicks into gear there's disagreement about how working from home should look. But there's a happy middle ground that means everyone wins, these experts argue.

www.abc.net.au

Work from home also likely to come under attack.

Views differ, from personal experience I've found you can tell the quality of a people leader by their care factor about where you work.

The bad ones always want full time office.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Stage 3 back on the agenda.

Can you imagine the hysterical nonsense from Dutton and the newscorpse/sky news media if Albo and labor clawed back the stage 3 tax cuts..

They would carry on like whole world would be on the verge of collapse.. it would endless “albo’s a liar, Albo’s a promise breaker, Albo’s doesnt care about working families.. Albo’s for higher taxes” just repeated over and over and over again from now until the next election..

There is no chance Albo will go there.

And Dutton and his merry band of flogs will be praying that he does. Because all Dutton has is an agenda of winning gotcha moments over Albo and the labor party..

 

[Bearded Clam]

Is this supposed to be come kind of gotcha question? Who deliberately coughs into someone’s face from point blank range in public?

That’s never happened to me, ever, in my entire life.

Even if you believe they work (or you feel psychologically better about someone coughing into one, which I actually get, I probably would too) mandating them on the entire healthy population, including children (which we know now compromised their ability to learn) in case of an errant cough from a random sick person, is deranged nonsense.

We should also mandate condoms in public in case somebody ejaculates on you.

Wow.. what a load of hysterical nonsense..

Its a very simple hypothetical.
Do you know what a hypothetical is or do we have to dumb that down further for you too?..

Its quite easy really..

Random bloke with a gun and a bad case of covid walks up to you in the street and gives you three options. Which are;

1) I shoot you in the face with this gun I’m holding or
2) I cough in your face or
3) I cough in your face but I’ll be wearing a mask when I do it..

He only gives you the option of picking one out of the three..

Which one are you gonna chose?. Think quick.. he’s got an itchy trigger finger..

You could simply respond with an answer of “1”, “2”or “3”.. its really is that easy.

But you morons cant.. because you know the only reasonable option to pick is option 3.. but in chosing that option you know, once again, it results in one of your ignorant cooker arguements (the one against masks) being left in complete and utter tatters.. and you looking a like a fool.

So like you always do when cornered.. you rant about a whole heap of nonsense to desperately deflect.

Go on.. tell us all you’d consider picking option 2 because “its pretty much just the same as 3”…
We all need yet another good laugh at your expense..

 

[Slippery Pete]

Go on.. tell us all you’d consider picking option 2 because “its pretty much just the same as 3”…
We all need yet another good laugh at your expense..

Nice try. You’re refuting an argument I’m not making.

If you’re asking if someone coughs in my face, would I prefer they had something covering their cough? Of course! I’d prefer they coughed into their sleeve, hand, or in the opposite direction tbh like most normal people did for every year of civilization up until you all turned into paranoid hysterical freaks in 2020.

But if they want to cough into a face muzzle and look ridiculous for the other 99.99% of the day, that’s also fine by me.

My issue has only ever been with mandating these ridiculous things for the entire healthy population. That was always a hysterical nonsense.

For a bloke who claims to be all about people minding their own business, and not worrying about what others are doing, why would you support a government mandating what others can and can’t wear on their face?

If you’re sick and want to wear a stupid face muzzle, just do it. Why are you fussed about what other people do?

And I’ll bet my Big Footy account you’re not wearing them anymore, sick or not sick.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Alright, which one of you blokes was this

Penny Wong is heckled during a trip to the grocery shop

Foreign Minister Penny Wong has received some harsh feedback from a heckler while doing her shopping.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Alright, which one of you blokes was this

Penny Wong is heckled during a trip to the grocery shop

Foreign Minister Penny Wong has received some harsh feedback from a heckler while doing her shopping.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I'd guess to say it's one of our infirmed posters from the PC thread. I swear can I definitely hear him saying g"OUT".

 

[George Kramer]

Can you imagine the hysterical nonsense from Dutton and the newscorpse/sky news media if Albo and labor clawed back the stage 3 tax cuts..

They would carry on like whole world would be on the verge of collapse.. it would endless “albo’s a liar, Albo’s a promise breaker, Albo’s doesnt care about working families.. Albo’s for higher taxes” just repeated over and over and over again from now until the next election..

There is no chance Albo will go there.

And Dutton and his merry band of flogs will be praying that he does. Because all Dutton has is an agenda of winning gotcha moments over Albo and the labor party..

Are you in favour of the stage 3 tax cuts?

 

[kirky]

Are you in favour of the stage 3 tax cuts?

Think what was proposed was far too generous but Albanese won’t change them tho. The media would have a field day.

Plus they are already legislated.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Are you in favour of the stage 3 tax cuts?

This isnt really a question I should be answering as I am set to benefit from them significantly!.

My wife and I both have very well paying jobs.. and, whilst it is still mortgaged, we nearly own our home outright. We have no car loans. Have a very good solar power system that sees us pay very small quarterly bills even though we run two fridges, a chest freezer, 4 aircons, a pool, 4 tv’s and have two young kids under 10 that refuse to turn lights off after them!

I have absolutely no idea how people are living (paying for rent/mortgages, food, rates and electricity and other essentials etc) on the amount of money even the average wage earns you these days..

I dont need the tax cut the stage 3 cuts will provide.. and wouldnt be fazed if they scrapped them or redirected them to those in more need.

And I’m not exactly gonna have a choice on whether I accept the cut!

But this isnt the point..

The point is the stage 3 cuts were passed by the Morrison LNP government and Labor and Albo promised at the last election they wouldnt scrap them..

Albo would be skewered if he did now..

I mean..

Can you imagine how much hyperventilating Mutineer would do if Albo did!… he’d carry on endlessly for years about it!

If they are bad policy then the finger needs to be pointed at the party that came up with the policy and pushed it through parliament in the first place.

Why should it be up to labor to “lose skin” for a shit LNP policy?.. its frankly laughable that the LNP are playing both sides in this and yet its all labors fault.

 

[George Kramer]

This isnt really a question I should be answering as I am set to benefit from them significantly!.

My wife and I both have very well paying jobs.. and, whilst it is still mortgaged, we nearly own our home outright. We have no car loans. Have a very good solar power system that sees us pay very small quarterly bills even though we run two fridges, a chest freezer, 4 aircons, a pool, 4 tv’s and have two young kids under 10 that refuse to turn lights off after them!

I have absolutely no idea how people are living (paying for rent/mortgages, food, rates and electricity and other essentials etc) on the amount of money even the average wage earns you these days..

I dont need the tax cut the stage 3 cuts will provide.. and wouldnt be phased if they scrapped them or redirected them to those in more need.

And I’m not exactly gonna have a choice on whether I accept the cut!

But this isnt the point..

The point is the stage 3 cuts were passed by the Morrison LNP government and Labor and Albo promised at the last election they wouldnt scrap them..

Albo would be skewered if he did now..

I mean..

Can you imagine how much hyperventilating Mutineer would do if Albo did!… he’d carry on endlessly for years about it!

If they are bad policy then the finger needs to be pointed at the party that came up with the policy and pushed it through parliament in the first place.

Why should it be up to labor to “lose skin” for a s**t LNP policy?.. its frankly laughable that the LNP are playing both sides in this and yet its all labors fault.

Glad you’re doing well, what if you’re a single income family with debt, should you not get tax relief? Haven’t lower income earners already benefited from income tax cuts?

You know Labor helped pass the legislation right? Bit rich to then absolve them from all responsibility and if it’s bad policy it’s up to governments to create good legislation or fix bad one even if there is political risk, but we both know that’s not how it works. Each party will say and do what it takes to stay in power because they crave power, both sides are as bad as each other in that regard no matter how virtuous the Left try to make themselves out to be.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Glad you’re doing well, what if you’re a single income family with debt, should you not get tax relief? Haven’t lower income earners already benefited from income tax cuts?

You know Labor helped pass the legislation right? Bit rich to then absolve them from all responsibility and if it’s bad policy it’s up to governments to create good legislation or fix bad one even if there is political risk, but we both know that’s not how it works. Each party will say and do what it takes to stay in power because they crave power, both sides are as bad as each other in that regard no matter how virtuous the Left try to make themselves out to be.

Re-read my comment.

I’m pretty sure I said I dont need the tax cut and wouldnt be phased if it was removed and think it could instead be re-directed to those less fortunate..

I’m also pretty sure if you go back and look at it.. that Labor agreed with stages 1 and 2 of the cuts which helped those less fortunate but didnt agree with stage 3 and wanted the Coalition to split each stage up to be voted on and passed through parliament seperately..

The Coalition refused to do so because they knew that that would mean labor, the independents and the greens wouldnt support stage 3 if it was on its own and stage 1 and 2 had already been passed..

That sly Coalition strikes again..

This, of course, basically forced labors hand they had to agree to the whole package to ensure the stages 1 and 2 were passed to benefit the struggling lower working class aussies.

 

[kirky]

Glad you’re doing well, what if you’re a single income family with debt, should you not get tax relief? Haven’t lower income earners already benefited from income tax cuts?

You know Labor helped pass the legislation right? Bit rich to then absolve them from all responsibility and if it’s bad policy it’s up to governments to create good legislation or fix bad one even if there is political risk, but we both know that’s not how it works. Each party will say and do what it takes to stay in power because they crave power, both sides are as bad as each other in that regard no matter how virtuous the Left try to make themselves out to be.

Yes, both sides are as bad as each other.

I mean we only need to see the investment property holdings by all politicians to see why they have no real interest in changing negative gearing.

If I had my way, I allow anyone to have one perhaps two investment properties to be negatively geared but after that you get no allowance for additional interest deductions and no you can’t structure your loans to gain a benefit. I mean how can one possibly justify having 13 investment properties as an example (State politician) or 7 (Federal politician).

Understand if would have buckleys chance of ever getting up however until this issue is addressed, those under 40 will look for alternative parties from the two majors to vote for.

 

[kirky]

Re-read my comment.

I’m pretty sure I said I dont need the tax cut and wouldnt be phased if it was removed and think it could instead be re-directed to those less fortunate..

I’m also pretty sure if you go back and look at it.. that Labor agreed with stages 1 and 2 of the cuts which helped those less fortunate but didnt agree with stage 3 and wanted the Coalition to split each stage up to be voted on and passed through parliament seperately..

The Coalition refused to do so because they knew that that would mean labor, the independents and the greens wouldnt support stage 3 if it was on its own and stage 1 and 2 had already been passed..

That sly Coalition strikes again..

This, of course, basically forced labors hand they had to agree to the whole package to ensure the stages 1 and 2 were passed to benefit the struggling lower working class aussies.

Yes, the Coalition on this issue were playing wedge politics.

 

[George Kramer]

Re-read my comment.

I’m pretty sure I said I dont need the tax cut and wouldnt be phased if it was removed and think it could instead be re-directed to those less fortunate..

I’m also pretty sure if you go back and look at it.. that Labor agreed with stages 1 and 2 of the cuts which helped those less fortunate but didnt agree with stage 3 and wanted the Coalition to split each stage up to be voted on and passed through parliament seperately..

The Coalition refused to do so because they knew that that would mean labor, the independents and the greens wouldnt support stage 3 if it was on its own and stage 1 and 2 had already been passed..

That sly Coalition strikes again..

This, of course, basically forced labors hand they had to agree to the whole package to ensure the stages 1 and 2 were passed to benefit the struggling lower working class aussies.

So Labor helped pass the legislation, is now the government who can block the tax cuts and yet it’s all the Libs fault. Is this what you’re seriously trying to argue?

 

[George Kramer]

Yes, both sides are as bad as each other.

I mean we only need to see the investment property holdings by all politicians to see why they have no real interest in changing negative gearing.

If I had my way, I allow anyone to have one perhaps two investment properties to be negatively geared but after that you get no allowance for additional interest deductions and no you can’t structure your loans to gain a benefit. I mean how can one possibly justify having 13 investment properties as an example (State politician) or 7 (Federal politician).

Understand if would have buckleys chance of ever getting up however until this issue is addressed, those under 40 will look for alternative parties from the two majors to vote for.

How would our rental market look at the moment with less investment properties?

 

[Slippery Pete]

I’m pretty sure I said I dont need the tax cut and wouldnt be phased if it was removed and think it could instead be re-directed to those less fortunate..

You don’t need to wait for it to be removed, you could work out the amount and donate it to the Greta Thunberg Foundation.

 

[Bearded Clam]

So Labor helped pass the legislation, is now the government who can block the tax cuts and yet it’s all the Libs fault. Is this what you’re seriously trying to argue?

Labor was forced to pass stage 1, stage 2 and stage 3 all in the one package.

The Coalition used wedge politics to force everyone in Parliament to vote on one package not seperate out the three stages into 3 packages that could be voted and passed seperately.

The labor clearly took the stance that whilst they didnt agree with stage 3.. if the only way labor could ensure stages 1 and 2 were implemented asap was to accept stage 3 then that was the trade off they’d have to accept.

To now turn around and try and cut stage 3 would be electorial suicide.

Do you agree with the stage 3 cuts?..

Do you think it would be wise for labor to roll them back now?..

Do you agree the feral hard right media would have a cow if labor did roll back stage 3?..

The stage 3 cuts are LNP policy.. it was the LNP that introduces them to parliament.

You want to blame anyone for them.. blame scomo.

 

[kirky]

How would our rental market look at the moment with less investment properties?

This is a problem that has been growing since Howard and Costello changed the rules in the early 2000’s.

There are a number of issues which have reduced supply in the market. Generous tax deductibility, planning laws, etc.

It isn’t a simple problem to solve but the one thing we all know is our property market is way overinflated which has been driven by the investors rather than first home buyers.

We have the most expensive property market in the world.

 

[Crow till I die]

So Labor helped pass the legislation, is now the government who can block the tax cuts and yet it’s all the Libs fault. Is this what you’re seriously trying to argue?

Remember Kirky's words of wisdom (he aimed them at the Coalition and now they boomerang back at labor)

If you are good negotiator and what you propose is fair and just then it will get thru. It is that simple.

Its up to Labor to come up with a suitable alternative and negotiate it through if they don't like the current tax concessions under stage 3

 

[George Kramer]

Labor was forced to pass stage 1, stage 2 and stage 3 all in the one package.

The Coalition used wedge politics to force everyone in Parliament to vote on one package not seperate out the three stages into 3 packages that could be voted and passed seperately.

The labor clearly took the stance that whilst they didnt agree with stage 3.. if the only way labor could ensure stages 1 and 2 were implemented asap was to accept stage 3 then that was the trade off they’d have to accept.

To now turn around and try and cut stage 3 would be electorial suicide.

Do you agree with the stage 3 cuts?..

Do you think it would be wise for labor to roll them back now?..

Do you agree the feral hard right media would have a cow if labor did roll back stage 3?..

The stage 3 cuts are LNP policy.. it was the LNP that introduces them to parliament.

You want to blame anyone for them.. blame scomo.

Labor as a party can’t be forced into anything. They could have said no but they didn’t want the political fall out of saying no to the first 2 stages.

Yes, to reverse them now would cost them votes which brings me back to my original point, both parties will do what it takes to stay in power. In this example Labor voted for the legislation, they can reverse it but won’t because they want to stay in power. Do you disagree?

 

[George Kramer]

This is a problem that has been growing since Howard and Costello changed the rules in the early 2000’s.

There are a number of issues which have reduced supply in the market. Generous tax deductibility, planning laws, etc.

It isn’t a simple problem to solve but the one thing we all know is our property market is way overinflated which has been driven by the investors rather than first home buyers.

We have the most expensive property market in the world.

I agree we are in a mess, have the state governments done enough to increase supply?

What about the latest migrant intake, has that forced pressure on the rental market?

 

[George Kramer]

Remember Kirky's words of wisdom (he aimed them at the Coalition and now they boomerang back at labor)

If you are good negotiator and what you propose is fair and just then it will get thru. It is that simple.

Its up to Labor to come up with a suitable alternative and negotiate it through if they don't like the current tax concessions under stage 3

Did you ever respond to 1970crow picking you up on this kirky?