Opinion AUSTRALIAN Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 5

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Slippery Pete said:
It’s still firmly in the news cycle, so I’m just making sure both of you are up-to-date with your jabs.

This just in from the ABC:

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How far in advance should I get a COVID-19 booster before travelling? Here's what the experts say

Many Australians are preparing to head overseas and interstate these school holidays. Medical experts reveal how long before their travel they should be getting a booster.
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Haven’t bothered to have a jab since Jan 2022 and have had Covid 3 times since that time - the last in Dec 2022. All I can say is each time I got Covid the symptoms were different - the last being the worst (impacted lungs).

Not travelling overseas in the near future so won’t bother with one.

I do still have the flu jab tho.
 
kirky said:
Haven’t bothered to have a jab since Jan 2022 and have had Covid 3 times since that time - the last in Dec 2022. All I can say is each time I got Covid the symptoms were different - the last being the worst (impacted lungs).

Not travelling overseas in the near future so won’t bother with one.

I do still have the flu jab tho.
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Just a serious question. Do you still need a jab to fly overseas?
 

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So looks like the country’s former deputy chief health officer has also lost faith in the jabs.

Also reported below is his submission earlier this year to the Covid inquiry.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Why Dr Nick Coatsworth is done with any more vaccine jabs

Speaking with Ben Fordham on 2GB on Wednesday, the former public face of Australia's fight against Covid-19 made the stunning admission he is done with Covid vaccines.
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Australia’s attempt to “control at all costs” COVID-19 went on for too long and states should be stripped of their powers to make disease control rules during pandemics, the country’s former deputy chief medical officer says.

In a candid 10-page submission to a government inquiry, Dr Nick Coatsworth said officials suffered “group think” and fatigue during the pandemic, which contributed to poor decision-making and a failure to consider alternative health restrictions.

Vaccine mandates should only ever be a “last resort”, “time limited” and the responsibility of the government – not employers, he said.

Australia was successful in bringing together the most experienced health professionals, the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee (AHPPC), to help manage COVID-19, Dr Coatsworth said in the submission.

But decision-making suffered from a series of problems that must be fixed for future pandemic responses, he said.

“There are innumerable examples of how this could be improved, but the most notable was the persistence of 2020-era isolation and testing policies into the omicron era which effectively led to nationwide workforce and testing shortages and could have been addressed through a relaxation of isolation requirements and a shift from PCR to rapid antigen testing,” Dr Coatsworth noted.

Dr Coatsworth, an infectious disease physician, said decisions were not evaluated against an agreed ethical framework.

“This allowed the creation of a ‘disease control at all costs’ policy path dependence, which, whilst suited to the first wave, was poorly suited to the vaccine era,” he said.

States had too much power​

Dr Coatsworth was also critical of the inconsistent approach across states and territories, such as on quarantine rules and border closures.

He said the discordance between federal and state governments confused the public and diminished people’s human rights.

“I strongly encourage the inquiry to recommend amendment of the Biosecurity Act to ensure that all disease control powers are vested in the federal government during a national biosecurity emergency,” he said.

State border closures would become a policy decision of the federal government via the AHPPC, with states tasked with implementation.

The states would retain their disease control powers outside of a pandemic.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Health Minister Mark Butler in September announced a long-awaited inquiry into the COVID-19 pandemic.

The terms of reference say, “actions taken unilaterally by state and territory governments” are “not in scope for the inquiry”. Hence, the inquiry will have little power to review the imposition by state governments of lockdowns, school closures, vaccine mandates and state border closures.

The inquiry is neither a royal commission nor a judicial inquiry but is a 12-month probe led by public sector expert Robyn Kruk, epidemiologist Catherine Bennett and health economist and former Labor staffer Angela Jackson.

Dr Coatsworth was deputy chief medical officer from March to October 2020 during the first year of the pandemic. He then served as a senior medical adviser to the Health Department until September 2021.





Source: https://www.afr.com/policy/health-a...oo-far-ex-deputy-health-chief-20240115-p5exce
 
Slippery Pete said:
So looks like the country’s former deputy chief health officer has also lost faith in the jabs.

Also reported below is his submission earlier this year to the Covid inquiry.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Why Dr Nick Coatsworth is done with any more vaccine jabs

Speaking with Ben Fordham on 2GB on Wednesday, the former public face of Australia's fight against Covid-19 made the stunning admission he is done with Covid vaccines.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk







Australia’s attempt to “control at all costs” COVID-19 went on for too long and states should be stripped of their powers to make disease control rules during pandemics, the country’s former deputy chief medical officer says.

In a candid 10-page submission to a government inquiry, Dr Nick Coatsworth said officials suffered “group think” and fatigue during the pandemic, which contributed to poor decision-making and a failure to consider alternative health restrictions.

Vaccine mandates should only ever be a “last resort”, “time limited” and the responsibility of the government – not employers, he said.

Australia was successful in bringing together the most experienced health professionals, the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee (AHPPC), to help manage COVID-19, Dr Coatsworth said in the submission.

But decision-making suffered from a series of problems that must be fixed for future pandemic responses, he said.

“There are innumerable examples of how this could be improved, but the most notable was the persistence of 2020-era isolation and testing policies into the omicron era which effectively led to nationwide workforce and testing shortages and could have been addressed through a relaxation of isolation requirements and a shift from PCR to rapid antigen testing,” Dr Coatsworth noted.

Dr Coatsworth, an infectious disease physician, said decisions were not evaluated against an agreed ethical framework.

“This allowed the creation of a ‘disease control at all costs’ policy path dependence, which, whilst suited to the first wave, was poorly suited to the vaccine era,” he said.

States had too much power​

Dr Coatsworth was also critical of the inconsistent approach across states and territories, such as on quarantine rules and border closures.

He said the discordance between federal and state governments confused the public and diminished people’s human rights.

“I strongly encourage the inquiry to recommend amendment of the Biosecurity Act to ensure that all disease control powers are vested in the federal government during a national biosecurity emergency,” he said.

State border closures would become a policy decision of the federal government via the AHPPC, with states tasked with implementation.

The states would retain their disease control powers outside of a pandemic.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Health Minister Mark Butler in September announced a long-awaited inquiry into the COVID-19 pandemic.

The terms of reference say, “actions taken unilaterally by state and territory governments” are “not in scope for the inquiry”. Hence, the inquiry will have little power to review the imposition by state governments of lockdowns, school closures, vaccine mandates and state border closures.

The inquiry is neither a royal commission nor a judicial inquiry but is a 12-month probe led by public sector expert Robyn Kruk, epidemiologist Catherine Bennett and health economist and former Labor staffer Angela Jackson.

Dr Coatsworth was deputy chief medical officer from March to October 2020 during the first year of the pandemic. He then served as a senior medical adviser to the Health Department until September 2021.





Source: https://www.afr.com/policy/health-a...oo-far-ex-deputy-health-chief-20240115-p5exce
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Coatsworth has been wrong so many times it’s getting embarrassing
 
OneGreatClub said:
The Liberal party and Big Fossil Fuel will be having conniptions right now is my guess.

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No chance, even if he gets it through Parliament he'll be spending plenty of time in the High Court, even Labor backroom boss Steven Conroy admits that.
 

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Mutineer said:
No chance, even if he gets it through Parliament he'll be spending plenty of time in the High Court, even Labor backroom boss Steven Conroy admits that.
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It still needs to be done though.

Just cos it's difficult doesn't mean we should accept a corrupting influence being allowed in politics.
 
Mutineer said:
No chance, even if he gets it through Parliament he'll be spending plenty of time in the High Court, even Labor backroom boss Steven Conroy admits that.
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Why would there be any constitutional issues?

Property developers, tobacco, liquor and gambling businesses are already banned from making political donations. Why would expanding this list present a constitutional problem?
 
Vader said:
Why would there be any constitutional issues?

Property developers, tobacco, liquor and gambling businesses are already banned from making political donations. Why would expanding this list present a constitutional problem?
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Take it up with Steven Conroy only quoting him from last night, I'd think he'd be across it.
 
Coopers said:
It still needs to be done though.

Just cos it's difficult doesn't mean we should accept a corrupting influence being allowed in politics.
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Haha and you don't think Political Parties will be able to work around by ways and means, dream on.

there's nothing stopping companies and Unions supporting Political Parties through independent advertising, companies and the Unions have been doing it for years.
 
Mutineer said:
Haha and you don't think Political Parties will be able to work around by ways and means, dream on.

there's nothing stopping companies and Unions supporting Political Parties through independent advertising, companies and the Unions have been doing it for years.
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Sure. That's still not a reason to not do it. We should improve wherever we can.
 
MrKK said:
I can't believe cookers like
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Teal MP Monique Ryan are still going on about Covid!

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Whack.




Queensland GP Dr Melissa McCann, who is leading a vaccine injury class action against the federal government, said in her submission it was “difficult to know” whether the key Covid response measures “could have been managed any worse”.

The Covid-19 vaccinations have been perhaps the most egregious health response measure in recorded history,” she said.

“The success of a vaccination campaign is not measured by the percentage of population who were convinced to be vaccinated, despite this being reported by various official sources as evidence of a successful program.

“A successful vaccination campaign ought to result in the majority of vaccinated persons not becoming infected with the disease the vaccines were designed to protect against.

“A successful campaign would result in reduced number of cases and reduced transmission of disease throughout a population following the vaccination campaign.

“It ought to result in small numbers of adverse events after vaccination and such events comparable with traditional vaccines. It ought to result in an overall reduction in severe disease, deaths caused by the disease and reduction in overall excess mortality across a population.”

By all of these measures, the Covid vaccination campaign “has been a complete failure despite the multibillion-dollar investment”, she argued.
 
Mutineer said:
Haha and you don't think Political Parties will be able to work around by ways and means, dream on.

there's nothing stopping companies and Unions supporting Political Parties through independent advertising, companies and the Unions have been doing it for years.
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So you believe in doing nothing.

You bring a law in, have it challenged (which is a fair call), then amend said law to ensure no future challenge.

Better to do something than keep the status quo.
 
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