Opinion AUSTRALIAN Politics: Adelaide Board Discussion Part 5

[Mutineer]

No, the issue voters will eventually see is Dutton has no answers or solutions to the COL.

Well sure as hell Albo and Dr Jim don't despite continuing to bullshit the public they do.

Hand outs is all they got which only fuels inflation.

 

[Rabish Binney]

The issue voters will eventually see is Dutton has no answers or solutions to the COL. Just like his nuclear fart which will do nothing towards reducing power prices now and for the next 15-20 years and will actually increase prices given the taxpayer is footing the bill. But hey, Mr Potato Head knows best

And the taxpayers aren't footing the bill for Bowen's renewables ideology??

 

[kirky]

And the taxpayers aren't footing the bill for Bowen's renewables ideology??

Renewables are the future or haven’t you realised that yet?

Just on cost, how much do we subsidy fossil fuel industries now and how much money is foregone that goes overseas now?

If we had already developed nuclear twenty years ago then it would make sense but nuclear is not an option now.

 

[kirky]

Well sure as hell Albo and Dr Jim don't despite continuing to bullshit the public they do.

Hand outs is all they got which only fuels inflation.

So you think the amended stage 3 tax cuts were a bad idea?

Do you think the $300 off your power bill over next 12 months is a bad idea?

And what other handouts are you referring to?

 

[Eagleboy2011]

So you think the amended stage 3 tax cuts were a bad idea?

Do you think the $300 off your power bill over next 12 months is a bad idea?

And what other handouts are you referring to?

Do you not think that offering a $300 power bill refund from government coffers (btw Thats our money to start with) a failure of government energy policy? It has to be inflationary. btw Happy for the money.
Shouldn't a decrease in energy prices be considered more of a success story of government policy.

 

[Vader]

Do you not think that offering a $300 power bill refund from government coffers (btw Thats our money to start with) a failure of government energy policy? It has to be inflationary. btw Happy for the money.
Shouldn't a decrease in energy prices be considered more of a success story of government policy.

The best way of doing that is to get more renewables online, earlier. The reason our prices are so high is because of the fossil fuels still in the system.

 

[Mutineer]

Slippery Pete

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/rabbit-hole-piles-of-reports-mounting-in-death-of-21yo-after-covid19-vaccine-coroner-says/news-story/b383be0f713005e4eda263ac38a53c4e?utm_source=HeraldSun&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Editorial&utm_content=HS_PREM-PM_NEW_01&net_sub_id=288692219&type=curated&position=6

Ms Boyce was studying at Deakin University. She spent the last three weeks of her life unconscious. Her death certificate lists myocardial infarction with subacute myocarditis as the cause.

Ms Boyce’s mother, Deborah Hamilton, previously told a parliamentary inquiry that she believed her daughter would be alive if she had not received the Covid-19 vaccine booster.

“Had we known that there were risks there would have been no way that I would have allowed Natalie to receive another vaccine and I know that she would not have had it either,” Ms Hamilton told MPs in Canberra in 2023.

She was studying at Deakin and working part-time. Picture: Deborah Hamilton
The day after getting the Moderna booster, Ms Boyce fainted, had a fever, stomach pain and vomiting. Her condition deteriorated over trips to doctors and several different hospitals.

Ms Hamilton has blamed both the vaccine mandates and “medical negligence” from Victoria’s health system.

Ms Boyce was encouraged by her part-time employer to get vaccinated and required a vaccination to go to the university campus.

 

[Mutineer]

 

[Slippery Pete]

Slippery Pete

Can we hear it one more time?

 

[Rabish Binney]

Renewables are the future or haven’t you realised that yet?

Just on cost, how much do we subsidy fossil fuel industries now and how much money is foregone that goes overseas now?

If we had already developed nuclear twenty years ago then it would make sense but nuclear is not an option now.

Yep, I get that

But then why are at least 30 other countries considering, planning or starting nuclear power programmes with Bangladesh, Egypt and Turkey are all constructing their first nuclear power plants?

 

[Rabish Binney]

The best way of doing that is to get more renewables online, earlier. The reason our prices are so high is because of the fossil fuels still in the system.

How long is this going to take. 3 years? 5 Years? 20 years?

And do you honestly believe that power prices will fall once it happens?

 

[Eagleboy2011]

How long is this going to take. 3 years? 5 Years? 20 years?

And do you honestly believe that power prices will fall once it happens?

It's what the party tells him. It doesn't have to be true.

 

[Vader]

Yep, I get that

But then why are at least 30 other countries considering, planning or starting nuclear power programmes with Bangladesh, Egypt and Turkey are all constructing their first nuclear power plants?

If they're constructing them now, then they started the process 10+ years ago. Political considerations aside, the construction of nuclear power plants would have made sense 10 years ago, as they would start coming online just as the coal power plants are being shutdown. That window has now closed, and the nukes wouldn't be coming online until ~10 years after the coal generators they're nominally replacing will have gone.

As things stand now, there is no economic case for building nuclear power plants - and it's worth noting that Dutton hasn't done any cost-benefit analysis to justify building them.

 

[Rabish Binney]

The best way of doing that is to get more renewables online, earlier. The reason our prices are so high is because of the fossil fuels still in the system.

Article from Canstar Blue:

South Australians, on average, pay the highest electricity prices per kWh, in addition to often missing out on big discounts and bonus perks. In comparison, households in VIC, TAS and the ACT generally pay the lowest prices per kWh.

Aren't' we 80% renewables? So why do we have the highest prices in the country??

 

[Vader]

How long is this going to take. 3 years? 5 Years? 20 years?

And do you honestly believe that power prices will fall once it happens?

A lot less time than it takes to get nuclear plants approved & built...

I don't believe that power prices will fall, regardless of how the energy is generated. That idea is just fanciful, in a country where electricity generation is privately owned. Power prices will, however, rise a lot less using renewables than they would using nuclear generation.

 

[Rabish Binney]

If they're constructing them now, then they started the process 10+ years ago. Political considerations aside, the construction of nuclear power plants would have made sense 10 years ago, as they would start coming online just as the coal power plants are being shutdown. That window has now closed, and the nukes wouldn't be coming online until ~10 years after the coal generators they're nominally replacing will have gone.

As things stand now, there is no economic case for building nuclear power plants - and it's worth noting that Dutton hasn't done any cost-benefit analysis to justify building them.

Where's Bowens cost - benefit - analysis on renewables?

 

[Rabish Binney]

A lot less time than it takes to get nuclear plants approved & built...

So you cant answer the question then.

 

[Vader]

Where's Bowens cost - benefit - analysis on renewables?

AEMO have done many of them.

 

[Vader]

So you cant answer the question then.

It's like asking "how long is a piece of string". New wind farms & solar farms are coming online all the time. Every indication is that we'll have enough renewable power in place by the time the last of the coal generators goes offline - whereas the first of the nuclear generators wouldn't come online until at least 10 years later.

 

[Mutineer]

A lot less time than it takes to get nuclear plants approved & built...

I don't believe that power prices will fall, regardless of how the energy is generated. That idea is just fanciful, in a country where electricity generation is privately owned. Power prices will, however, rise a lot less using renewables than they would using nuclear generation.

How many TRILLION $$$$$'s was it again for the infrastructure and further Turbines, Batteries and Solar Panels etc before it's fully operational and reliable?

At what stage won't gas be needed for firming?

 

[Vader]

How many TRILLION $$$$$'s was it again for the infrastructure and further Turbines, Batteries and Solar Panels etc before it's fully operational and reliable?

At what stage won't gas be needed for firming?

Still several times cheaper than nuclear...

 

[kirky]

How long is this going to take. 3 years? 5 Years? 20 years?

And do you honestly believe that power prices will fall once it happens?

Well we won’t have nuclear power until 2050 and even then it will only provide around 4% of our energy needs.

It is another deflection argument pushing nuclear by those opposed to renewables. It is literally that simple.

And we have this from the energy market operator

Energy regulator says nuclear unlikely before 2050 as Chris Bowen attacks Coalition’s ‘risky’ plan

Australian Energy Regulator chair says Australia is ‘probably a decade too late’ for nuclear power despite opposition’s pledge to build first two plants by 2037

www.theguardian.com

 

[kirky]

How many TRILLION $$$$$'s was it again for the infrastructure and further Turbines, Batteries and Solar Panels etc before it's fully operational and reliable?

At what stage won't gas be needed for firming?

Seriously, nuclear ain’t happening. It is a deflecting argument by Mr Potato Head!

If we need to use gas as a transition so be it. It is a better option than coal.

 

[kirky]

It's like asking "how long is a piece of string". New wind farms & solar farms are coming online all the time. Every indication is that we'll have enough renewable power in place by the time the last of the coal generators goes offline - whereas the first of the nuclear generators wouldn't come online until at least 10 years later.

As long as the Coalition don’t get into government next year, it then no longer becomes an issue as the next election will be 2028 and it will be too late for the Coalition to promote their energy case.

Given they did **** all with regards to an energy policy for ten years, they and their supporters have the gaul to question any current energy policy. The can go and whistle dixie. Mr Potato Head is a Neanderthal as are his cheerleaders.

 

[rocket18]

The best way of doing that is to get more renewables online, earlier. The reason our prices are so high is because of the fossil fuels still in the system.

As someone mentioned SA have about 80% renewable and yet we are amongst the most expensive places in the world for electricity.

Has this Electrical Paradise of renewables = cheap power happened anywhere in the world?

80% Renewable = amongst the most expensive in the world.
95% Renewables = same as above
100% Renewables = woohoo, they're giving it away! (presuming 100% is even obtainable in our lifetime)