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Mutineer said:
Plenty would disagree with you re Keating especially people and businesses he sent to the wall....

Maybe take it up with Floating Doughnut for a reference.
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Didn’t matter so much for me, was my first home purchase and half my fault for not reading the tea leaves.
Aussies could always depend on bricks and mortar and the long term stock market .
You shouldn’t have to see your mother go back to work to save the family house @50 odd.

Vader can’t speak , lost his voice today. RIP James E Jones @ 93

Edit. 1 Menzies
2 Howard
3 Hawke

Edit For the record am impressed with Malinauskus at a state level.
 
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What a shambles Diktator Dan Andrews has left his successor Jacinta Allen to try and clean up and she's now playing with fire trying to keep the Commonwealth Games debacle from being thoroughly investigated by a Parliamentary Committee.

Bad move Jacinta if you want to keep your job...even formerly rusted on Labor voters are turning against them now as Polls show.

Allan govt may be in contempt of parliament over Comm Games bid files​

The Allan government may be considered in contempt of parliament as it fights the release of hundreds of documents about its failed Commonwealth Games bid in a move that has been slammed as “a circus”.

The Allan government is refusing to comply with parliamentary rules in a bid to keep secret hundreds of files related to its failed Commonwealth Games bid.
In an extraordinary move the upper house committee probing the cancelled Games bid on Tuesday tabled an unexpected second interim report warning the government’s failure to hand over documents could be considered a contempt of parliament.

The government is fighting the release of 353 documents including ministerial briefings, Cabinet briefings, meeting agendas, expenditure review committee reports and other key documents it has been ordered to make available to parliament.

But it is claiming executive privilege over the material arguing it either reveals the deliberative processes of Cabinet and executive government or jeopardises the necessary relationship of trust and confidence between the minister and public officials.
Under parliamentary rules, documents involved in executive privilege disputes must be provided for inspection and before an independent legal arbiter can be appointed to evaluate the validity of the claims.

However, in its second interim report the Select Committee on the 2026 Commonwealth Games bid said the government had failed to provide any of the documents required meaning the independent review process could not be initiated.
“In the committee’s view, the government’s own self-assessment of executive privilege without independent review is not only a contravention of the Standing Orders but a direct impediment on the committee’s ability to conduct a thorough and transparent inquiry,” it said.

“The committee notes that to date, successive governments have never provided documents with claims of Executive privilege to the Clerk as required under Standing Order 10.03. This non-compliance has meant that the independent legal arbiter process...has never been used.”

Liberal MP David Davis accused the government of being openly defiant.

“It’s a circus, a complete joke,” he said.

“This is a matter of defiance of the house and it should not occur in this way.”
Greens MP, Sarah Mansfield, said the government’s refusal to comply with parliamentary rules was of serious concern because he denied proper scrutiny.

“This is a failure that isn’t just a feature of this parliament, but has been a long standing practice of this government,” she said.

“They refuse to follow the standing orders. This is really serious.”

Former premier Daniel Andrews signed up to host the 2026 Commonwealth Games in the lead-up to the 2022 state election.

But in July, 2023, he stunned the world by dumping the deal with the Commonwealth Games Federation, saying the event’s budget had blown out to $6bn-$7bn

An analysis by the Victorian Auditor-General Andrew Greaves said that figure was overstated and overall costs were on track to hit $4.9bn.




 
El Doederino said:
tarzia seems like a bit of a nob, but he’s played this Spiers stuff well

Deep fake my arse.
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Yeah, if it was fake, surely he would have reported it to Police.

Wtf would anyone, let alone the opposition leader film themselves having a snort...

Good riddance part-time leader.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
Yeah, if it was fake, surely he would have reported it to Police.

Wtf would anyone, let alone the opposition leader film themselves having a snort...

Good riddance part-time leader.
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It's blatantly obvious it's him so why not just own it?

He was effectively done anyway in politics so why not just come out claiming mental health as a contributing factor?

He could have talked about how much pressure and stress he was under and how it led to him making some bad decisions and how he's now getting some help and support.

He could have used the narrative that he's owned up and not denied it because he believes in honesty etc. Ultimately the most important thing for a politician is to be able to maintain trust with the voters, so while it's a disaster at least by owning it you haven't broken their trust.

Don't these pollies have PR teams to advise them how to handle situations like this?
 
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Kane McGoodwin said:
Yeah, if it was fake, surely he would have reported it to Police.

Wtf would anyone, let alone the opposition leader film themselves having a snort...

Good riddance part-time leader.
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In the uncut footage you can hear someone talking to him in the background.
but they muffle it . I feel someone has set him up and got him.
 
relapse said:
It's blatantly obvious it's him so why not just own it?

He was effectively done anyway in politics so why not just come out claiming mental health as a contributing factor?

He could have talked about how much pressure and stress he was under and how it led to him making some bad decisions and how he's now getting some help and support.

He could have used the narrative that he's owned up and not denied it because he believes in honesty etc. Ultimately the most important thing for a politician is to be able to maintain trust with the voters, so while it's a disaster at least by owning it you haven't broken their trust.

Don't these pollies have PR teams to advise them how to handle situations like this?
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Going the mental health route
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Last week I covered a Liberal Party fundraiser where John Howard was the guest speaker.
Howard can be fairly described as Australia’s greatest conservative prime minister.
Many Australians regard him as our greatest prime minister.
Even lefties laud his legacy in ushering in the 1996 gun laws which have kept Australia free of mass shootings since Port Arthur.
Others remember that period as one of comfort and affluence, with low interest rates and baby bonuses making family life a much more affordable proposition than today.
There are many Australian conservatives who love John Howard and also love Donald Trump.
They love the former president’s anti-PC stylings and talk gushingly of how the world was a safer place with him at the helm. Fair enough.
These Trump-loving Australian conservatives should reflect on Mr Howard’s assessment of Trump, which he repeated at the lunch last week.
They show the difference between a true conservative such as Howard who is guided by respect for traditions, institutions and rules, and the vanity-driven recklessness of someone like Trump, who would trammel and traduce anything standing between him and power.

Howard revealed earlier this year that if we were an American citizen he would not be voting for Donald Trump.
While he also said at the time that he believed Joe Biden was losing “cognitive capacity”, the ex-PM said there was no way he could bring himself to back The Donald.
Fittingly enough the cricket-mad Howard used an apt analogy to make his point about Trump’s conduct after losing the 2020 election.
“He didn’t leave the field when the umpire’s finger went up,” Howard said. “If you claim to be a believer in democracy you have to accept the verdict of the people.”
In politics as in cricket, there is no greater crime than not walking when you’re clearly out.
Howard demonstrated this himself in 2007 with the sobriety and resignation he displayed when he not only lost the election to Kevin Rudd but his own seat of Bennelong in a Labor landslide.
There was no call from the ousted PM for his supporters to take to the streets at a rigged result.
Howard figured that’s politics, them’s the breaks, and in his own well-adjusted way spent more time with his family and planning his business life beyond politics.
It really is a hell of thing denying an election result, defaming the electoral authorities, rubbishing every single court which has unanimously dismissed your baseless claim to martyrdom.
To that end, it doesn’t really matter whether Trump was a good president or a bad president. His hanging offence was that he has never accepted that in November 2020 he ceased to be president.

In doing that, he places himself out of the North American political tradition and into the South American political tradition, not alongside a Bush or Truman or Roosevelt but a Noriega, Stroessner or Pinochet – a tin-pot crackpot with no commitment to democratic principles.
Howard’s speech last week had lessons for progressives and conservatives alike around the respect of independent institutions.
It had particular resonance amid federal Labor’s transparent and politically-craven public war with the Reserve Bank amid criticisms of inflationary spending by the Albanese government and state Labor governments.
Howard’s mind turned again to the year 2007 when on the cusp of the election, with interest rates having been the ace in his deck for so long, the RBA jacked up rates on the cusp of the campaign.
It was a big moment in politics. I was editing the Sydney Daily Telegraph at the time and on the day the RBA pushed up the cash rate our front page featured a photo of Mr Howard standing on the steps of his home at Kirribilli House.
The front page had an intro reading “What interest rate jump means for you – and him” with the all-caps headline reading THIS MAN COULD LOSE HIS HOUSE.
The not-so-subtle insinuation was that having made so much political mileage from keeping interest rates down – the centrepiece of his 2004 re-election pitch – the PM had lost his magic touch when he could least afford to do so.
I know the former PM wasn’t thrilled with that front page but he certainly understood the gist of it given the timing, especially with the polls pointing to a Rudd victory.

Howard reflected on that timing last week in the context of Treasurer Jim Chalmers and former treasurer Wayne Swan now coming out and potting the RBA over its rate hikes to deflect attention from Labor’s role in fuelling inflation.
“To say I was thrilled with that rate increase on the eve of an election would be wrong,” Howard laughed in his off-the-cuff speech.
“But I didn’t pick up the phone to the Reserve Bank Governor and say ‘Aw, thanks mate, great timing’.
“You don’t do that. You don’t go to war with the independent Reserve Bank for your own political ends. The bank has to make its own determinations based on economic conditions, with no political considerations.”
It was a great speech from a great man whose greatness stems in large part from his belief that he isn’t great at all, but was merely the lucky recipient of public support which ultimately faded away.
It’s an important reminder that in politics the best politicians are those who recognise that none of this is about them, that no man is ever bigger than the institutions that keep us safe and free.
And one final note – at 85 years old, four years Joe Biden’s senior, he was making a hell of a lot more cognitive sense than the bloke currently leading the free world and who, to use one last fitting cricket term, has retired hurt ahead of the November election.
 
Mutineer said:

John Howard shows the difference between a true conservative and power-hungry Donald Trump | David Penberthy​

The man many call Australia’s greatest PM had some words that both right and left wingers should hear, writes David Penberthy.


Don't miss out on the headlines from Opinion. Followed categories will be added to My News.
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Last week I covered a Liberal Party fundraiser where John Howard was the guest speaker.
Howard can be fairly described as Australia’s greatest conservative prime minister.
Many Australians regard him as our greatest prime minister.
Even lefties laud his legacy in ushering in the 1996 gun laws which have kept Australia free of mass shootings since Port Arthur.
Others remember that period as one of comfort and affluence, with low interest rates and baby bonuses making family life a much more affordable proposition than today.
There are many Australian conservatives who love John Howard and also love Donald Trump.
They love the former president’s anti-PC stylings and talk gushingly of how the world was a safer place with him at the helm. Fair enough.
These Trump-loving Australian conservatives should reflect on Mr Howard’s assessment of Trump, which he repeated at the lunch last week.
They show the difference between a true conservative such as Howard who is guided by respect for traditions, institutions and rules, and the vanity-driven recklessness of someone like Trump, who would trammel and traduce anything standing between him and power.

Howard revealed earlier this year that if we were an American citizen he would not be voting for Donald Trump.
While he also said at the time that he believed Joe Biden was losing “cognitive capacity”, the ex-PM said there was no way he could bring himself to back The Donald.
Fittingly enough the cricket-mad Howard used an apt analogy to make his point about Trump’s conduct after losing the 2020 election.
“He didn’t leave the field when the umpire’s finger went up,” Howard said. “If you claim to be a believer in democracy you have to accept the verdict of the people.”
In politics as in cricket, there is no greater crime than not walking when you’re clearly out.
Howard demonstrated this himself in 2007 with the sobriety and resignation he displayed when he not only lost the election to Kevin Rudd but his own seat of Bennelong in a Labor landslide.
There was no call from the ousted PM for his supporters to take to the streets at a rigged result.
Howard figured that’s politics, them’s the breaks, and in his own well-adjusted way spent more time with his family and planning his business life beyond politics.
It really is a hell of thing denying an election result, defaming the electoral authorities, rubbishing every single court which has unanimously dismissed your baseless claim to martyrdom.
To that end, it doesn’t really matter whether Trump was a good president or a bad president. His hanging offence was that he has never accepted that in November 2020 he ceased to be president.

In doing that, he places himself out of the North American political tradition and into the South American political tradition, not alongside a Bush or Truman or Roosevelt but a Noriega, Stroessner or Pinochet – a tin-pot crackpot with no commitment to democratic principles.
Howard’s speech last week had lessons for progressives and conservatives alike around the respect of independent institutions.
It had particular resonance amid federal Labor’s transparent and politically-craven public war with the Reserve Bank amid criticisms of inflationary spending by the Albanese government and state Labor governments.
Howard’s mind turned again to the year 2007 when on the cusp of the election, with interest rates having been the ace in his deck for so long, the RBA jacked up rates on the cusp of the campaign.
It was a big moment in politics. I was editing the Sydney Daily Telegraph at the time and on the day the RBA pushed up the cash rate our front page featured a photo of Mr Howard standing on the steps of his home at Kirribilli House.
The front page had an intro reading “What interest rate jump means for you – and him” with the all-caps headline reading THIS MAN COULD LOSE HIS HOUSE.
The not-so-subtle insinuation was that having made so much political mileage from keeping interest rates down – the centrepiece of his 2004 re-election pitch – the PM had lost his magic touch when he could least afford to do so.
I know the former PM wasn’t thrilled with that front page but he certainly understood the gist of it given the timing, especially with the polls pointing to a Rudd victory.

Howard reflected on that timing last week in the context of Treasurer Jim Chalmers and former treasurer Wayne Swan now coming out and potting the RBA over its rate hikes to deflect attention from Labor’s role in fuelling inflation.
“To say I was thrilled with that rate increase on the eve of an election would be wrong,” Howard laughed in his off-the-cuff speech.
“But I didn’t pick up the phone to the Reserve Bank Governor and say ‘Aw, thanks mate, great timing’.
“You don’t do that. You don’t go to war with the independent Reserve Bank for your own political ends. The bank has to make its own determinations based on economic conditions, with no political considerations.”
It was a great speech from a great man whose greatness stems in large part from his belief that he isn’t great at all, but was merely the lucky recipient of public support which ultimately faded away.
It’s an important reminder that in politics the best politicians are those who recognise that none of this is about them, that no man is ever bigger than the institutions that keep us safe and free.
And one final note – at 85 years old, four years Joe Biden’s senior, he was making a hell of a lot more cognitive sense than the bloke currently leading the free world and who, to use one last fitting cricket term, has retired hurt ahead of the November election.
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Our last good PM, we've certainly had crap PM's for the best part of 20 years since he got the arse.
 
Mutineer said:
Absolutely spot on..

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Yeh, that is never going to happen.🤣🤣

If the ALP can’t govern in its won right then a minority government with Green support is the next best option.

The Coalition shouldn’t be allowed back into government until it has had a few terms in Opposition. We don’t need another 10 years of do nothing Coalition governments.
 
Vader said:
I don't recall any of us saying that.

Keating deserves credit for floating the dollar, but that's about it.

Please stop putting words into other people's mouths, in an attempt to bolster your own pathetically weak arguments.
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If you think that was his only achievement, you are sadly mistaken.

For starters - deregulation of the banking sector, dividend imputation, SGL and capital gains tax.
 
Mutineer said:
Plenty would disagree with you re Keating especially people and businesses he sent to the wall....

Maybe take it up with Floating Doughnut for a reference.
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And Costello gave us - negative gearing changes, halving of capital gains tax, generous super concessions - which are all now detrimental to our economy. And the majority of those have benefited the baby boomers.

The current generations are paying for that with some of most expensive housing in the world.
 
kirky said:
And Costello gave us - negative gearing changes, halving of capital gains tax, generous super concessions - which are all now detrimental to our economy. And the majority of those have benefited the baby boomers.

The current generations are paying for that with some of most expensive housing in the world.
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:rolleyes:

Let's face it the Albanese/Chalmers ALP Government has been a very ordinary Government whether you like it or not.

Costello is light years ahead of grim Jim Chalmers and you know it!!
 
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