B Section B Section 2009

[Petrov]

WE would all love to have 15 u19's jump out each year and show us all they can play VAFA senior footy but fact is we get only a few each year. Most kids from Haileybury that are any good either go to VFL, club footy or no where. We are like any other club trying to look for the future we just have the advantage (or disadvantage if you look at it that way) that a handful of ex AFL legends want to play with us. If you were any club in VAFA football and R.Harvey said he wanted to play next year for 8-10 games what would you say?

 

[Cardio Carl]

WE would all love to have 15 u19's jump out each year and show us all they can play VAFA senior footy but fact is we get only a few each year. Most kids from Haileybury that are any good either go to VFL, club footy or no where. We are like any other club trying to look for the future we just have the advantage (or disadvantage if you look at it that way) that a handful of ex AFL legends want to play with us. If you were any club in VAFA football and R.Harvey said he wanted to play next year for 8-10 games what would you say?

Appreciate the post Petrov

My counter arguments are:

> 15 U19's would be nice, but unrealistic - 3-4 stepping up to senior footy should be realistic from a significant 'player stream' OH taps into. If they can't secure 3-4 then again something wrong with their transition program i.e. perhaps see OH path to hard with so many old players clogging the system.

> that's great if you can secure Voss, Brown, Loewe and Harvey - we all still shake our heads as to how this is possible, but that's another argument. My underlying points are that these 4 players will not play in the 2nds - therefore 4 players capable of playing B Grade senior football are denied the chance each week (or whenever they play - bad luck to the guy being dropped for each of Harv's 8 games).

these guy's, probably 19-21 YO's I see as the future of the club and if OH get back into A Grade should be part of their stability. However if they have played a combined 60-80 less senior B Grade games (because they made way for old ex-AFL players) then they will not be ready for A Grade.

I doubt the 4 players will be playing, if and when OH get back into A Grade so the strategy sounds nice but i believe is detrimental to OH long term viability.

 

[Jascave]

If you were in charge of your club's recruiting, who would you bring to your club:ex-AFL players who have little or no idea of the ethos and traditions of VAFA or juniors (ie Under 16-17) coming up through the ranks?

 

[The Tigers Nuts]

Depends how quickly I'd want to seesaw back up to A section for another season, and how much I wanted to improve the canteen takings for 8 games.

You better start poaching some players from that Other Hampton Club in that Other League.

 

[hawks09]

What? Poach some players to play in the new Club XVIII team I see the Rovers are having. That's about the standard of Div 3 Southern Football League isn't it?

 

[Jascave]

IMO, I think it's better to recruit juniors coming up through the ranks rather than ex-AFL players because juniors (ie Under 14-17) are the long-term future of the club and you have seen them play through the years, whereas players like Robert Harvey and Shane Crawford while they are great AFL players, in reality are only a short-term proposition. And that isn't good for the future if you are in the process of a rebuilding program.

 

[The Tigers Nuts]

So if you answered your own question with such thoughtful analysis, it means you probably didn't need to ask it in the first place hey Jase?

Ex-AFL players are good for the future of the club if they attract toothsome tarts and boost the canteen funds.

You're missing the big picture.

 

[Cardio Carl]

IMO, I think it's better to recruit juniors coming up through the ranks rather than ex-AFL players because juniors (ie Under 14-17) are the long-term future of the club and you have seen them play through the years, whereas players like Robert Harvey and Shane Crawford while they are great AFL players, in reality are only a short-term proposition. And that isn't good for the future if you are in the process of a rebuilding program.

Yeah, great post Jase - I'm with you buddy.

2 sides to every argument/discussion.

> Promoting youth within the club for long term gain

> securing marquee players for short term financial gain


Don't worry about Tiger, just getting cranky in his old age - it's he who misses the Big Picture of a public blog site i.e. seeking opinion and discussion about topics from other posters.

 

[james05]

Is Crawford definetely playing VAFA next season? Just heard his involvement on footy show may take him interstate during the week and definetely not training Thursdays. If he could spend a bit of time at a club that would be great but just turning up on a Sat to play isn't very good but just an opinion.

 

[Archangel17]

Is Crawford definetely playing VAFA next season? Just heard his involvement on footy show may take him interstate during the week and definetely not training Thursdays. If he could spend a bit of time at a club that would be great but just turning up on a Sat to play isn't very good but just an opinion.

Was chatting to a couple of boys at the Glenferrie on sat, and the word is that Old Camberwell may be as old as Old Haileybury with Ben Dixon a chance. Old Carey has apparently added plenty of quality height as well as retaining onball division. Old Trinity in trouble and Sinclair not coming

 

[Jascave]

Re junior players (long term future) versus marquee (big name) players, take the case of a young player coming up through the ranks, makes his senior debut and plays a good game and thinks he might keep his place in the side, only to be told he has to drop back to the Reserves because the big name player will be in the seniors. The kid will wonder 'How am I going to make it back into the seniors and hopefully catch the attention of AFL talent scouts if the guy who's replacing me has played only X games and doesn't go to a training session?' Hardly the way to develop a team hoping to win a premiership, isn't it?

 

[BrianSpeaking]

Was chatting to a couple of boys at the Glenferrie on sat, and the word is that Old Camberwell may be as old as Old Haileybury with Ben Dixon a chance. Old Carey has apparently added plenty of quality height as well as retaining onball division. Old Trinity in trouble and Sinclair not coming

The economic downturn may effect things at Old Camberwell, surely they can't afford everyone!
Dont be so sure that Carey has added some height.

 

[Archangel17]

The economic downturn may effect things at Old Camberwell, surely they can't afford everyone!
Dont be so sure that Carey has added some height.

How do you mean mate? This bloke wasnt specific but said they had several talls from div1 efl with some work being done on others.Could just be booze and shite talking but he was pretty confident in his info.

 

[BrianSpeaking]

I heard Old Camberwell was leading the chase for several well known ex AFL big men and EFL players. Not sure there is going to be any room for any real, home grown Camberwell Grammar lads, and I have also heard from a person very close to the coaching staff that their recent C Section premiership coach is back on board and Loats' confidant, which is sure to stamp the papers on a few young lads who havent been able to get a crack in the past.
They look ominous if what Im hearing is half correct, which it may or may not be.

 

[Archangel17]

I heard Old Camberwell was leading the chase for several well known ex AFL big men and EFL players. Not sure there is going to be any room for any real, home grown Camberwell Grammar lads, and I have also heard from a person very close to the coaching staff that their recent C Section premiership coach is back on board and Loats' confidant, which is sure to stamp the papers on a few young lads who havent been able to get a crack in the past.
They look ominous if what Im hearing is half correct, which it may or may not be.

Too old, too slow, another good on baller gone to Box Hill. It's all well and good having eight ex afl monsters if noone can get the football. Bernies, SKevs, Carey will run rings around them. You didnt reply to my previous question. Another one from Sat night was Jonathon Hay at Cwell but i doubt that

 

[bedford]

Too old, too slow, another good on baller gone to Box Hill. It's all well and good having eight ex afl monsters if noone can get the football. Bernies, SKevs, Carey will run rings around them. You didnt reply to my previous question. Another one from Sat night was Jonathon Hay at Cwell but i doubt that

Hay has signed somewhere down on the penninsula

 

[THE BEACON]

Correct at Langwarrin

 

[harper]

Correct at Langwarrin

Hope it goes better than the last time he played for a team in blue and white nicknamed The Kangaroos!

 

[HERNIA_KING]

Was chatting to a couple of boys at the Glenferrie on sat, and the word is that Old Camberwell may be as old as Old Haileybury with Ben Dixon a chance. Old Carey has apparently added plenty of quality height as well as retaining onball division. Old Trinity in trouble and Sinclair not coming

How are you sure that Old Trinity is in trouble?

 

[Freebaser]

I heard Old Camberwell was leading the chase for several well known ex AFL big men and EFL players. Not sure there is going to be any room for any real, home grown Camberwell Grammar lads, and I have also heard from a person very close to the coaching staff that their recent C Section premiership coach is back on board and Loats' confidant, which is sure to stamp the papers on a few young lads who havent been able to get a crack in the past.
They look ominous if what Im hearing is half correct, which it may or may not be.

BS Who have you heard of at Camberwell? Archangel suggests Dixon. Who else would go down there? Arch who is the on-baller they have lost? Hopefully not Bayford or Hendrie. Did your pub 'mates' mention anything about Rix or Hollands at Old Carey? Who are the EFL talls you talk about? I think this is all typical pre-season BS , with no pun intended but at least it is fun , so lets get these rumours flowing.HK if you are a Trinity boy give us the real goss.

 

[Max Leader]

BS Who have you heard of at Camberwell? Archangel suggests Dixon. Who else would go down there? Arch who is the on-baller they have lost? Hopefully not Bayford or Hendrie. Did your pub 'mates' mention anything about Rix or Hollands at Old Carey? Who are the EFL talls you talk about? I think this is all typical pre-season BS , with no pun intended but at least it is fun , so lets get these rumours flowing.HK if you are a Trinity boy give us the real goss.

Rix back to Scotch.
Drove past OCamb last night.

There were Sh1t loadeson the track. almost 4 teams worth.

 

[uglydermie]

Old Carey have picked up a "gun" from Mitcham. Don't know his name - just know that Mitcham are shattered!

I am also hearing that OT may be on the skids. Early days thou....

 

[Monkeyboy]

Suprised Rix would go to Scotch over Carey. Has mates at Carey, went to Carey. Coin?

 

[BrianSpeaking]

Suprised Rix would go to Scotch over Carey. Has mates at Carey, went to Carey. Coin?

'The Template' wont be at either, he will be with the Lions! Hope it all happens, he is a ripping fellow.

However, delisted St Kilda ruckman Michael Rix looks set to get the nod from the Lions on Tuesday.

Davis - delisted by Sydney - was invited by Voss to attend off-season training but appeared to have missed out when he was not present at the Lions' three-day boot camp at Stradbroke Island last month.

However, Voss refused to rule out grabbing Davis with their No.5 draft pick.

He said the club were looking at three possible options next week - snapping up a crumbing forward like Davis, an extra midfielder or a journeyman ruckman like Rix.

"Nick fits into that (crumbing forward) category that he can kick goals and he knows where they are," Voss said.

"Inside 50m it's rare to find players who can find the ball in that area of the ground because it's just so congested.

"It's just what we decide to do there.

"Do we go down that path or do we decide to go for an extra midfielder or do we put journeyman ruckman in place?

"We have a couple of different things that we're trying to think about."

But it is understood Rix, 27, will be taken by the Lions.

Rix was part of St Kilda's biggest clean-out in eight years at the end of the 2008 season, one of eight players delisted in October along with former Lion Jayden Attard.

Rix would add welcome depth to a Lions ruck division relying on Jamie Charman and youngster Matthew Leuenberger.

"I guess Michael Rix has been trialled and obviously listed at St Kilda so he's one that springs to mind," Voss said.

"We've got three ruckman now but (draftee) Bart (McCulloch) obviously is a bit younger and Michael has got a little bit more experience."

© 2008 AAP

 

[BrianSpeaking]

BS Who have you heard of at Camberwell? Archangel suggests Dixon. Who else would go down there? Arch who is the on-baller they have lost? Hopefully not Bayford or Hendrie. Did your pub 'mates' mention anything about Rix or Hollands at Old Carey? Who are the EFL talls you talk about? I think this is all typical pre-season BS , with no pun intended but at least it is fun , so lets get these rumours flowing.HK if you are a Trinity boy give us the real goss.

Have heard Tim Hazell and Ben Dixon at OC, as well as Loater's very good mate Shane Crawford part-time joining Kent Kingsley and Rory Hilton along with Radar Tallis.