Barry Hall - Should we?

[lukep_86]

I still reckon the Dogs are the front runners... just cant see where they are going to get the $$$ from to draft him.

If we actually made a play for him we could easily trump any offer they might raise.

What makes you say dogs are front runners? Is that because they need a big foraward more than we do?

Yeah JR, that was Aker. I heard an interview with Smorgon recently and he said money wasn't the issue with Lake, it was trying to fit him into the salary cap. You're right, if he does leave he will be a great pick up.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Then you also have Judd, Murphy and Gibbs streaming down into the forward line then a lot of coaches will be positively shitting themselves worrying how to stop that sort of attack.

Funny thing this year is we got 160 goals out of Fev, Betts and Murphy,
which is a pretty good return from 3 'forwards'
yet we only got 12 from Judd.

 

[Dramoth]

Funny thing this year is we got 160 goals out of Fev, Betts and Murphy,
which is a pretty good return from 3 'forwards'
yet we only got 12 from Judd.

good point...

At the end of the day, having those 3 running into the forward line will break defences open and will allow accuracy towards fev and/or hall

which we all would like.

 

[Malifice]

Was just interviewed on One HD.

I'm even more convinced now than when I started this thread!

 

[Dramoth]

Was just interviewed on One HD.

I'm even more convinced now than when I started this thread!

Want to give us a summary of what was said mate?

If he can control his brain explosions, then he would be a good fit with the club for 1 maybe 2 years...

 

[Malifice]

Want to give us a summary of what was said mate?

If he can control his brain explosions, then he would be a good fit with the club for 1 maybe 2 years...

In a nutshell:

He was reluctant to mention any other clubs but did admit to being contacted by the Dogs.

No talks as yet, still (obviously) waiting for the Dogs to finish finals. Has only been 'on the market' for a week.

Said he wants to play on to change the football worlds impression of him as thug. Was pretty disappointed with how it all ended. He was reluctant to promise that it wouldn't happen again though. Working through it, but couldn't put his hand on his heart and promise it wouldn't happen again.

Seemed quite mature about it really.

He suggested that his main role at a new club would be to take pressure off the clubs existing forwards, contribute as a power CHF by attracting the first or second defender and kicking goals and help in development of younger forwards. Maybe help the right team snare a flag.



His highlight reel (crashing packs, kicking, pack marking, bullocking) looked super impressive!

He reckoned that the body was 100% fine and the drive is still there. Only left the Swans as the writing was on the wall and wanted to go out and be able to hold his head up at the club in the future. He claimed to have around three good years left in him at the top level.

The 2006 grand final loss hurt him badly. He blamed himself for a long time after wards. 2005 GF was a highlight.

Didn't realize he won a B&F at the Swans either.

Was honest, forthright and looked every bit the player.

 

[wavefall21]

i think having another key forward will def enable our midfielders to be more accountable cos with very little forward line depth our midfielders are forced to attack and have shots on goal

 

[Dramoth]

In a nutshell:

He was reluctant to mention any other clubs but did admit to being contacted by the Dogs.

No talks as yet, still (obviously) waiting for the Dogs to finish finals. Has only been 'on the market' for a week.

Said he wants to play on to change the football worlds impression of him as thug. Was pretty disappointed with how it all ended. He was reluctant to promise that it wouldn't happen again though. Working through it, but couldn't put his hand on his heart and promise it wouldn't happen again.

Seemed quite mature about it really.

He suggested that his main role at a new club would be to take pressure off the clubs existing forwards, contribute as a power CHF by attracting the first or second defender and kicking goals and help in development of younger forwards. Maybe help the right team snare a flag.



His highlight reel (crashing packs, kicking, pack marking, bullocking) looked super impressive!

He reckoned that the body was 100% fine and the drive is still there. Only left the Swans as the writing was on the wall and wanted to go out and be able to hold his head up at the club in the future. He claimed to have around three good years left in him at the top level.

The 2006 grand final loss hurt him badly. He blamed himself for a long time after wards. 2005 GF was a highlight.

Didn't realize he won a B&F at the Swans either.

Was honest, forthright and looked every bit the player.

That there says it for me...

Doggies dont have a proper power forward that he can take the pressure off of. The only team where he would be able to do that really is the blues.

I am going to be following this with interest... Also, if I am incorrect, please feel free to correct me. But because Bazza retired and quit from the Swans, he is no longer on their books as a player and can therefore nominate for the national draft (if he wants) as a free agent and the swannies are due no compensation for him?

 

[Blueboys7]

A channel 10 news update said 'Hall nominates the Bulldogs'. Did he say anything remotely close to that Mal?

 

[Juddrockz]

A channel 10 news update said 'Hall nominates the Bulldogs'. Did he say anything remotely close to that Mal?

If that's the case the Bullies will have to have a bit of a clean out at years end to accommodate Lake,Hall & Aker if he stays on

 

[Blueboys7]

If that's the case the Bullies will have to have a bit of a clean out at years end to accommodate Lake,Hall & Aker if he stays on

That's what I was thinking but if they are already in talks with Hall they may have factored Hall's salary to accomodate him on their list next year? I'm confused too....

 

[Malifice]

That there says it for me...

Doggies dont have a proper power forward that he can take the pressure off of. The only team where he would be able to do that really is the blues.

Arguably he'd be alot more potent at Carlton with Fevola taking the limelight than he would at the Dogs.

I am going to be following this with interest... Also, if I am incorrect, please feel free to correct me. But because Bazza retired and quit from the Swans, he is no longer on their books as a player and can therefore nominate for the national draft (if he wants) as a free agent and the swannies are due no compensation for him?

Still a listed Sydney player. We will need to trade for him... however if no trade can be organised he is bound for the PSD.

Sydney have already mentioned they are prepared to come to an arrangement that suits Barry and his new club. They wouldnt be expecting anything more than a 4th rounder + player/ 3rd rounder or something in that vicinity at best.

A channel 10 news update said 'Hall nominates the Bulldogs'. Did he say anything remotely close to that Mal?

Nothing even close to it.

He said he has been on the market for a week and the phone hasnt exactly been ringing off the hook. He expected that after finals are completed, and list reviews have been completed that he would be fielding some more specific offers then.

The interviewer asked him directly about the Dogs and he admitted there had been very preliminary talks with them. (i.e. they called his manager to confirm that he was keen to play on next year, and if he would be intrested in playing for them if a suitable trade could be organised and he said it was too early to tell, Dogs still in the finals etc but he would be happy to play for them if thats how it panned out).

There was definately no 'nominating' the Dogs or any other club. Was clearly open to offers.

 

[Blueboys7]

^^^
Geez I hate when they do that, it's just so misleading! They clearly said that Barry nominated the Doggies.

 

[The Grover]

WE still have a lot of list cloggers on our list so I would be happy to have him for 1-2 years, we won't need to delist any decent players to get him on the list.

I think we have a opportunity to make a play for a flag next year or more likely the following year.

Lets have a crack at Bazza.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

WE still have a lot of list cloggers on our list so I would be happy to have him for 1-2 years, we won't need to delist any decent players to get him on the list.

I think we have a opportunity to make a play for a flag next year or more likely the following year.

Lets have a crack at Bazza.

List clogger....

hes 33...

and he hasnt played a proper season in quite a while.

He is a headcase with severe psychological problems.

You guys are kidding right?

 

[CarltonFan]

Cloke for another year... or Hall for a year.... gee this is tough


out: cloke, hartlett, edwards, fisher, wiggins, bentick
in: hall + draft picks + aj + trades

 

[krayfesh]

4th round + Fisher.

Fisher would work well on the SCG. Worst comes to worse, even a 3rd rounder.

I want our 2nd rounder to get Salopek and our first rounder to draft Talia.

 

[Team Mo']

I think getting experienced players when we are on the up is a much better thing then trying to just get better for one year and then fail again. If we get Barry and it fails: we don't get any worse and only lose the one spot for the year. If we were to get him when we wre shit and he failed then it would seriously harm our development for another 3 years.

In saying that, I'm all for getting Big Bad Baz and would love to see him crashing packs with Fev.

 

[Azul]

What position would Hall play? His body is too shot to play CHF, so that means playing out of the goal-square. Oh wait, we already have one of those one-position forwards - he just won the Coleman Medal.

Make no mistake, it wasn't just the brain-fades that forced Hall out. The club were desperate to get games into talls such as White. With Lewis Johnston waiting in the wings, Hall was no longer compelling as a footballer.

Pre-season draft at best. If some other club is willing to gamble on him for a trade, let them have him. Let's see what promising teenagers slip through first.

Bad call to recruit Barry Hall.

Waite and Jamo will be back in defense. Austin, with a good mark on him, could be the key position forward we've been looking for. Good call?




Oops, sorry, wrong thread.

 

[Malifice]

Bad call!

What position would Hall play? His body is too shot to play CHF, so that means playing out of the goal-square.

Where are you getting this from? Hall has had no injuries I can remember (aside from breaking his arm a few years ago after sliding into the fence).

Not a single knee, soft tissue injury, ankle... nada.

He looked fit and firing before his suspension this year. Granted he is getting long in the tooth, but barring a dramatic loss of fitness over this year, he clearly looked the goods to play on.

Make no mistake, it wasn't just the brain-fades that forced Hall out. The club were desperate to get games into talls such as White. With Lewis Johnston waiting in the wings, Hall was no longer compelling as a footballer.

Carlton are in a completely different position to Sydney. Plus we have a key forward (in Fevola) already. Hall could hold down CHF and present a potent second forward option for us for the next 2-3 years.

At worst he would attract the second key defender each week. This not only frees up Fevola it also frees up Hall.

With our current structure he would add unpredictability (no more 'kick it to Fev'), a second avenue to goal, back-up should Fev go down with injury and is worth 2-3 goals a game off his own boot.

Pre-season draft at best. If some other club is willing to gamble on him for a trade, let them have him. Let's see what promising teenagers slip through first.

If a prmising teenager slips through to pick 47 in this (a weakish) draft id be fairly surprised.

Kids we have. Experience we need.

Also... compare:

Brown/ Bradshaw.
Lloyd/ Lucas
Buddy/ Roughy
Brereton/ Dunstall

With:

Fevola/ Hall

Waite and Jamo will be back in defense. Austin, with a good mark on him, could be the key position forward we've been looking for. Good call?

Marginal call.

Even if Austin comes up as a key forward, it almost certainly wont be happening this year... or next year. Recruiting Hall gives us those two years to develop him there in the twos... and possibly even snare a flag in that time while Fevola (and arguably Judd) are still in their prime.

 

[bluekidjoe]

In the past half hour reading all this, I have gone from giving it very little thought and pretty much dismissing Hall giving us anything of worth, to desperately wanting him in the navy blue next year!!!!

He would solve the immediate CHF issue, give Fev a breather, allow Waitey to stay down back, and also give us a buffer of 2-3 years while Kreuzer and Talia (or equivalent) develop... And he is not injury prone and would be traded for with a 4th rounder and players that we'd be looking to delist anyway!!

This would be a seriously good move for the Blues going forward IMO and I want it done!!!

 

[Juddrockz]

In the past half hour reading all this, I have gone from giving it very little thought and pretty much dismissing Hall giving us anything of worth, to desperately wanting him in the navy blue next year!!!!

He would solve the immediate CHF issue, give Fev a breather, allow Waitey to stay down back, and also give us a buffer of 2-3 years while Kreuzer and Talia (or equivalent) develop... And he is not injury prone and would be traded for with a 4th rounder and players that we'd be looking to delist anyway!!

This would be a seriously good move for the Blues going forward IMO and I want it done!!!

I'm with you,i'm hoping the Hally rumour sticks.Could solve our problems by allowing Krooze to be work in progress playing up forward while Warnock and Hammer work the ruck

 

[Azul]

Hall has had no injuries I can remember (aside from breaking his arm a few years ago after sliding into the fence).

Not a single knee, soft tissue injury, ankle... nada.

Injuries aren't the point, it's the wear and tear associated with nearly 15 years at the top level. Compare Hall's output in the Swans' grand final years of 2005-6 to this year - he's clearly a much reduced player compared to that period.

he is getting long in the tooth

Hall could hold down CHF and present a potent second forward option for us for the next 2-3 years.

Or he could whack someone, be suspended for a month and never be seen again. I can think of 4 players on Carlton's list who I'd rather play as a second tall in attack than Hall: Waite, Austin, Kreuzer and o'hAilpin. All of whom are potentially 5+ year options.

I have more faith in Mark Austin, who is too good to languish in the twos, and any gems Wayne Hughes snares with pick 47 and beyond than Barry. This is the year to snag a smokey before GC swoop the talent pool. I'm content to let him slip through to the PSD; if any other club gambles on him first, so be it.

 

[MandyFiona]

I think we need to think longer term. I see our premiership window opening 2011, but this will be Halls last year if everything goes well.

I think we need to chase a young tall forward from another club with massive potential. However, there aren't many of these.

Maybe we should go Pavlich.

1st Rnd Pick + Yarran as the starting point of a trade.

 

[Malifice]

Compare Hall's output in the Swans' grand final years of 2005-6 to this year - he's clearly a much reduced player compared to that period.

I disagree:

2009 (11 Games):
Disposals: 10.1, Marks: 5.8, Goals: 2.8, Behinds 1.2, Tackles: 1.6

2006 (25 Games):
Disposals: 14.6, Marks: 8.6, Goals: 3.1, Behinds 1.5, Tackles: 2.0

2005 (Premiership year - 26 Games):
Disposals: 15, Marks: 7.9, Goals: 3.1, Behinds 1.6, Tackles: 1.2

I'd actually argue the opposite looking those those stats. They stack up very favorably. Especially so when you consider the overall talent of the other 21 players in the Swans sides of 2005-6 reflected in where they finished (premiers and runners up), as compared to where the Swans are at this year (12th).

I'm also not suggesting he is still at his peak. I would comfortably expect 1-2 years out of him at Carlton... with three at a stretch.

I can think of 4 players on Carlton's list who I'd rather play as a second tall in attack than Hall: Waite, Austin, Kreuzer and o'hAilpin. All of whom are potentially 5+ year options.

None of the above (aside from Waite) are tried and tested as forwards. At best I would consider them as depth/ development options. And TBH Id rather have Waite down back permanently and only moved up forward as an option... such as if one of Fevola or Hall fails to fire.

Recruiting Hall would also allow Ratts options such as playing Hall off the bench rotating with Kruezer.

Hall at 75% is better (and more dangerous) than any of those players you named above at 100% Also consider Hall would not be drawing the number 1 defender each week (as he did at Sydney). Fevola will still draw the majority of attention from the opposition. Add a midfield supply of Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Stevens... you could persuasively argue that his output could actually improve.

And if of course Hall does start attracting the first defender and corresponding more attention from the opposition backs... sit back and watch Fevolas eyes light up.

Or he could whack someone, be suspended for a month and never be seen again.

A possibility. And that's the only risk I can see in getting him. For the potential rewards, its a risk (sacrificing pick 47) that I would be prepared to pay.

This is the year to snag a smokey before GC swoop the talent pool.

I actually suggest the exact opposite. We have a shitload of talented young kids. Young talented midfield, young developing backline, young Rucks on the up, young small forwards.

We are well placed to recruit some experienced blokes to push us into the top four next year. Blokes with premiership experience so much the better.

The noteable exception to our abundance of youth is our KPF stocks. Fev is pretty much it.. and he is 29 turning 30 next year. He has no backup to speak of if he went down midseason with injury, and we have no viable CHF option.

IMO we need to recruit the best available KPP with our first rounder this year, and again next year. However the odds are anyone taken in these two drafts will take a while to come on as players (assuming the make it at all). We should look to getting a ready made KPF for the next two years to cover our ass and help us challenge or a flag over the next 3 years while Fevola is still in his prime.

Pick 47 (or ther abouts) is the most Id pay.

With only 8 months of talent in the draft pool this year, picks in the late 40's are around the same as mid fourth rounders from years in the past. There is a better than good chance the player selected with this pick wont even make it. Wheras if Hall can keep his shit together he would probably buy us a GF appearance. Im comfortable with that risk.

I think we need to chase a young tall forward from another club with massive potential. However, there aren't many of these.

Maybe we should go Pavlich.

1st Rnd Pick + Yarran as the starting point of a trade.

But then we are trading away pick 11 (likley to be our hopefull 10 year KPF) and Yarran (another first rounder who will hold down HFF for the next 10+ years) for a bloke who will both cost an arm and a leg in terms of salary, and only have 5 years in him at the elite level.

Thats two talented kids (and first round picks) for short term success. Too steep a price to pay.

The Hall option allows us to keep all our gun young kids and first rounders, locate new up and coming KPF talent and develop for the future... while we simultaneously shore up the next 2-3 years KPF.