I really don't reckon we are going to see Waite until early/mid year,
and he certainly won't be the player he was, certainly not in 2010.
That is what swung it for me.
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I really don't reckon we are going to see Waite until early/mid year,
and he certainly won't be the player he was, certainly not in 2010.
That is what swung it for me.
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I think that Waite will probably spend several weeks running around with the ants to make sure that everything is good for him and then slowly start coming back into the firsts somewhere between weeks 5 - 8 and even then be playing off the bench to give him some time to come up to full speed.
Having Hall in the forward line as a second option to Fev is sounding more and more viable the more we talk about it. It might not sound like a sane option considering his brain snaps of the past, but we do have a good club shrink who can deal with those sorts of things... look at what happened with Setanta.
And if we include Setanta as another tall option either in the pocket or on the flank next to Hall, we will have a forward line to worry even Geelong on their best days.
The upside of this is that Setanta can watch how a proper CHF goes about his business and in a couple of years can move into that position himself while the KPF we recruit this year takes over Setanta's role as understudy.
Unbelievable....it didn't even occur to me that he could be an option, and it didn't occur to me to bother reading this thread until 20 mins ago and only out of boredom, and now I'm completely sold!
So what's the latest?
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we would be absolutely crazy not to go for Hall. He would definately get us into the top 4 instead of finishing 5-6th next year.
Imagin a forward line of
Walker/Waite Hall Yarran
Kreuzer Fevola Betts
It would cause havocks to opposition back lines.
The only problem with Hall is that who is he going to respect in our team (like Kirk) to listen to and be told to pull his head in on field. Are we mature enough to have such a dominant personality? Time will tell, but im all for getting Bazza in our team
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Imagin a forward line of
Walker/Waite Hall Yarran
Kreuzer Fevola Betts
It would cause havocks to opposition back lines.
The only problem with Hall is that who is he going to respect in our team (like Kirk) to listen to and be told to pull his head in on field. Are we mature enough to have such a dominant personality? Time will tell, but im all for getting Bazza in our team
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Judd would have a calming influence you would assume.
Also Hall would not have all the pressure and responsibility of being the number one forward anymore like he did at Sydney. Fevola already has that role. This would arguably lessen the probability of him snapping again.
He'll still be targetted and taunted by opposition defenders however.
Which of course is fantastic for us, as he can then drag these defenders up the ground and this frees up Fevola to do what fevola does best. Kicking goals and winning matches.
The defenders leave Hall alone... well then we have a fit and firing Barry Hall on his own around the Forward 50. Thats a scary propsition right there!
If he does snap again, we drag him and (if neccessary) possibly sack him. We lose nothing more that a late third round pick in a weak draft. We are back to the forward structure that nearly netted us a home final and 4th spot on the ladder.
He keeps his cool and we are a vertual certainty for top 4 nest year. The potential pay-off could be huge.
Fevola/ Hall and possibly Kruezer and/ or Waite as tall options up forward, Yarran/ Betts/ Gartland/ Carrazzo crumbing/ playing off the HFF.
- Added potency up forward,
- flexibility for Ratten in options for attack AND defence,
- Insurance should Fevola go down injured,
- coverage for our lack of KPP options for the next two years (while draft and develop them in the 2's... and under the guidance and experience of Hall AND Fevola)
Where do I sign?
If Judds calming influence doesn't work Mal can we then expect that the "pressure point treatment" might come into effect.
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If Judds calming influence doesn't work Mal can we then expect that the "pressure point treatment" might come into effect.
Already done that joke above!
Imagine the potential carnage should Setanta play on Hall in an intraclub next year... then Juddy gliding in to ninja someone when it gets out of hand.
My BadAlready done that joke above!
Imagine the potential carnage should Setanta play on Hall in an intraclub next year... then Juddy gliding in to ninja someone when it gets out of hand.
... didnt read it all.
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If only Ratts and the MC could read this... why are things sometimes so difficult?
Great post Malifice
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Huge no from me.
My thoughts can be summed up by a few points.
1) Age: Hall will be 33 by the time he would pull on the Navy Blue for the first time in a match.
2) Desire: Does he want it enough? Would he want to continue his AFL career? Or does he want to give it all away to pursue other interests (boxing)
3) Mental state and attitude: He's prone to some huge **** ups on the field. Not the greatest role model for our kids and giving him a chance could cost us dearly
4) We'd have to trade for him: Still a Sydney player, and with possible interest from a few other clubs, we'd probably have to trade for him if we want him. Sure, we could trade a token 8th round pick for him but that could easily be trumped if another club wants him and I certainly would not want us to be pulled into a bidding war.
There aren't many points there but they are big enough points for me to be strongly against the idea of getting Hall. I am in no way against getting an older player for a few seasons but there are just too many risks for my liking in recruiting him.
However, I would like to put a case forward for Russell Robertson who I would like us to recruit.
Pros
1) Age. Robbo is younger than Hall and would be able to give us a few more seasons of service than Barry would.
2) No questions over attitude and desire. Robbo has categorically stated that he wants to play on for at least another season and he clearly still has the passion for the game that is necessary.
3) He's still an exceptionally talented footballer. I've got no doubt that if we put him in a forward pocket, Robbo could kick 35-40+ goals for a few years. He is a proven goalscorer and even this year, in 13 games he managed to kick 29 goals.
4) He'd come extremely cheap. Robbo has been delisted so we'd pick him up in the PSD on a very small amount, unlike Hall who we'd have to pay for and pay big. He'd also come with a lot less pressure.
Cons
1) Not as big a presence as Hall. Hall is a monster who would strike genuine fear into opposition defenses roaming the half forward line. Robbo is nowhere near as big so would not have that physical presence.
2) Would not take the opposition's 2nd best tall defender. Hall would, but Robbo isn't a suitable match-up for the 2nd tall defender. We'd love him to be as it would free Kreuz/Hampson/Warnock up but that won't happen with Robertson who would be matched up on a small/medium defender. This could be easily fixed though, trade Fisher for Maguire, who slots into the CHB position, sending Waite forward (who would no doubt command the 2nd best tall defender), freeing up the resting ruckman.
To be honest I think it is highly unlikely that we will be recruiting either Hall or Robertson, but if the club did decide that it was a path worth going down, I would MUCH rather Robertson than Hall, for the reasons outlined above.
My thoughts can be summed up by a few points.
1) Age: Hall will be 33 by the time he would pull on the Navy Blue for the first time in a match.
2) Desire: Does he want it enough? Would he want to continue his AFL career? Or does he want to give it all away to pursue other interests (boxing)
3) Mental state and attitude: He's prone to some huge **** ups on the field. Not the greatest role model for our kids and giving him a chance could cost us dearly
4) We'd have to trade for him: Still a Sydney player, and with possible interest from a few other clubs, we'd probably have to trade for him if we want him. Sure, we could trade a token 8th round pick for him but that could easily be trumped if another club wants him and I certainly would not want us to be pulled into a bidding war.
There aren't many points there but they are big enough points for me to be strongly against the idea of getting Hall. I am in no way against getting an older player for a few seasons but there are just too many risks for my liking in recruiting him.
However, I would like to put a case forward for Russell Robertson who I would like us to recruit.
Pros
1) Age. Robbo is younger than Hall and would be able to give us a few more seasons of service than Barry would.
2) No questions over attitude and desire. Robbo has categorically stated that he wants to play on for at least another season and he clearly still has the passion for the game that is necessary.
3) He's still an exceptionally talented footballer. I've got no doubt that if we put him in a forward pocket, Robbo could kick 35-40+ goals for a few years. He is a proven goalscorer and even this year, in 13 games he managed to kick 29 goals.
4) He'd come extremely cheap. Robbo has been delisted so we'd pick him up in the PSD on a very small amount, unlike Hall who we'd have to pay for and pay big. He'd also come with a lot less pressure.
Cons
1) Not as big a presence as Hall. Hall is a monster who would strike genuine fear into opposition defenses roaming the half forward line. Robbo is nowhere near as big so would not have that physical presence.
2) Would not take the opposition's 2nd best tall defender. Hall would, but Robbo isn't a suitable match-up for the 2nd tall defender. We'd love him to be as it would free Kreuz/Hampson/Warnock up but that won't happen with Robertson who would be matched up on a small/medium defender. This could be easily fixed though, trade Fisher for Maguire, who slots into the CHB position, sending Waite forward (who would no doubt command the 2nd best tall defender), freeing up the resting ruckman.
To be honest I think it is highly unlikely that we will be recruiting either Hall or Robertson, but if the club did decide that it was a path worth going down, I would MUCH rather Robertson than Hall, for the reasons outlined above.
douls
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Barry Hall wants to play for Bulldogs next year. Carlton flew him down to talk with him recently. Looks like you will all be wasting your time worrying about it. And this is straight from the person running Carlton.
carltonfc12!
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has the club said that we are going for him? where did this rumour come from?
douls
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I can also confirm that we will not be getting Robertson, thank god for that too.
brandy1023
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Don't stress about him, he has apparently agreed to join the Dogs with both teams happy and the paper work only needing to be signed. Just a matter working out which draft pick or player they will get. It won't be officially announced until the Dogs season is over.
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This was categorically denied just last Thursday by both Hall and Smorgon.
You guys should focus on finding the money to sign Lake (and Aker) before coughing up 300 grand a year on Hall.
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Hall said on Sportstonight last week that he wanted to join the Bulldogs and Smorgon is unable to say anything until our season is over. Lakes ready to sign, Akers happy to take a pay cut and Hall fits into the cap
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Ok,so lets just close this here and then now???!!
You guys have done well if this is to heppen.Hall said on Sportstonight last week that he wanted to join the Bulldogs and Smorgon is unable to say anything until our season is over. Lakes ready to sign, Akers happy to take a pay cut and Hall fits into the cap
Hall said on Sportstonight last week that he wanted to join the Bulldogs and Smorgon is unable to say anything until our season is over. Lakes ready to sign, Akers happy to take a pay cut and Hall fits into the cap
Actually Hall said he had spoken to the Bulldogs and then sport tonight said he had selected them, which wasn't true. Get your facts right before you start trying to feed us this shit.
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