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Because the clubs shouldn't be dictated to by players as much as they are in trade scenarios. It's surprising how little hand clubs have.
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Because the clubs shouldn't be dictated to by players as much as they are in trade scenarios. It's surprising how little hand clubs have.
I wouldn't wanna listen to Harry either
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That would be a shocking deal for Brisbane, to get a guy that is desperate to leave his current club. It seems like overs, when they should be paying unders, given the situation. Aish would probably command pick 5/6 on his own and a burnt bridges Beams shouldn't be commanding two top 6 picks under 20 years old. I'd definitely be playing hard ball if I was Brisbane. The situation is untenable and it seems more likely that Beams would sit out the 2015 season, than he would play for Collingwood.
I don't think it is a problem. You guys got Buckley pretty much by exploiting his wishes to play in Victoria, so it seems a little hypocritical to be complaining now.
And so it should be. Clubs don't own these players, they are not there from birth developing them along the way no they just happen to have a draft pick early enough to pick them up whether they want to play there or not. So what is the dees going to give to those talented young kids that got their development completely fu$%ed over?
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No, the Clubs don't own players - but there's this annoying little detail called a contract which Dayne is clearly reneging.
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Beams would make a mighty fine sub next year, give him the occasional run in the Magoos when they travel to ballarat/geelong via bus.
Brisbane were lucky to get him in the first place, through some old NT zone thing and the fact his old man ended up there.
Nathan was sent to boarding school in Victoria, and was playing SANFL for Port...yet the Bears were able to get him through a zone. He had no allegiances to Brisbane at all.
Brisbane didn't invest any time developing him, they lucked out to get a year of his services and then he moved on. Despite not investing anything in him, Brisbane still received Collingwood's first draft pick, a 26 yr old premiership winning CHF and a 21 yr old kid who struggled with injury but avg 20 disposals and was good enough to poll brownlow votes when fit.
So based on Buckley, who Brisbane didn't develop at all, Collingwood should expect at minimum
Pick4, a solid player in his mid 20s and a promising young kid who has already got brownlow votes.
Yes with Beams & contracted players I agree. But this is what I replied to "Because the clubs shouldn't be dictated to by players as much as they are in trade scenarios. It's surprising how little hand clubs have." Like ive stated previously I honestly sympathise with the pies, its an odd one that dose not come up a lot. Its one thing wanting to go home to be close to your family its a completely different thing wanting to go home to your terminally ill father. To me this is where the AFL have fallen down they should already have the structure in place to allow players to break contracts to move home in extenuating circumstances with clubs being compensated correctly.
This was my point in my earlier post. Clubs spend f%^kall time developing these kids n for whatever reason the kid falls into their lap n bingo "he's ours, you'll have prise him from our cold dead hands".
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For what I heard last night he was no longer a Collingwood player.
I sense a little sugar coating here.
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Suppose he thought it was more important to be at a pub then the BnF.
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I'm not complaining, or looking for a current situation to favour my club. I've thought for many years that clubs were too soft and "matey" with players, too easily giving into their demands to be traded to a particular club, or not be traded, etc.
Which part?
Brisbane nabbed Buckley through some NT zone arrangement, despite Nathan going on school in Victoria and playing footy in the SANFL.
After being taken through the zone pick, Buckley opted to stay and play in the SANFL instead of going to Brisbane.
He then played one season for Brisbane where he came 2nd in the BnF and then was traded.
Brisbane lucked out toget him, didn't develop him and then ended up receiving Collingwood's first draft pick, our 26 yr old CHF from the 90 premiership team and a young promising kid who struggled with hamstring injury but when fit was good enough to avg 20 disposals and actually be awarded 3 brownlow votes in a game.
So if Buckley is a Brisbane fans comparison of worth we will gladly take their first pick, an established guy who is 25-26 and plays key position and a you g talented midfielder.
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So, Beams should not be able to return home to his terminally ill father, because it would damage Collingwood's Premiership hopes seems to be what some Pies fans are saying? Pathetic.
That reeks of American sporting culture and I'd hate for that to happen to AFL.
That reeks of American sporting culture and I'd hate for that to happen to AFL.
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Can you provide an actual quote to back that up? From what I've read, you won't find many who would begrudge him going home for family reasons (his father's health), what rankles - and you don't seem to be bothered to address because it doesn't suit the strawman you'd rather beat the shit out of - is:
- he and his manager want to dictate the club he goes to, Brisbane, despite GCS being closer to where his father is based.
- returning home for family reasons and turning up to your current club's B&F aren't mutually exclusive, he could front up, say his goodbyes and go.
That would tend to suggest that maybe he is not only returning home for purely family reasons and we are within out rights to treat him as compassionately as possible given the family situation while seeking a fair trade outcome - including looking at potential trades with GCS etc.
So to be honest, if you haven't taken the time to consider any of that and just want to throw terms like 'pathetic' around, your opinion isn't worth much.
Haven't seen anyone actually saying that. Think almost all Pies fans are understanding of the reason why he wants to go.
What is annoying us a bit is that he's not only said he wants to go to Qld, but only to Brisbane, which Brisbane is using as a reason to low-ball us. If he had said, get me to Qld and was happy for us to get the best offer he we could from either club, no-one would be narky at all IMO.
I agree that the player currently has too much power. I'd like to see it changed to the player being able to refuse a transfer interstate, or if they initiated the idea of a trade interstate, a la Beams or Judd, that they can nominate a state, but not a specific club, so clubs can try to get fair value.
Yeah, it infringes on the players freedom a bit but a) that freedom is already infringed by the draft which also inhibits clubs ability to choose players, b) they are very well paid and voluntarily sign up to a career where their destiny isn't entirely in their hands, and c) there is free agency. In concert with bringing in the restricted ability for clubs to trade players under contract more freely, I'd like to see the qualification period for free agency reduced to 6 years.
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Hird doesn't want Beams at Essendon?
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So a first year player would command a top 5/6 pick on his own yet an elite midfielder who is among the top 5/10 in the competition in his positon (who is contracted) is not worth more?
Some people are just out right delusional.
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I say it’s about his Father Being Sick, His Mates been let go by Bucks and about a 200k Pay Rise
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Players are commodities, and should be treated as such. Gotta say I agree with Damon on this one.
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1. You've been offered pick #4, which is more valuable than pick #5 or #6.
2. There is no evidence whatsoever that Aish wants to leave Brisbane; Beams' relationship with Collingwood, on the other hand, has broken down to the point that he didn't even attend the B&F, which would give the impression that no matter what, he will not play at Collingwood in 2015. I'll let you guess which situation devalues a player's currency at the trade table more.
3. There is apparently only one other team that Beams would accept a trade to.
4. If Collingwood does not accept a deal with Brisbane or Gold Coast, it would appear more likely that Beams would sit out the year and leave at the end of 2015, than that he would play another game for Collingwood.
5. If no deal happens, Beams sits out the season and walks at the end of 2015, Collingwood gets nothing for Beams.
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Better then Listening to Hawks fans talk how bloody good they are.
They are good but how they do it very Arrogant
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