Injury Ben Reid Injured - announced 16th December, 4 - 6 weeks

[Lefthanded]

My gripe is with the morons that signed him up long term when he is the last player on our list that should have been offered 3 years or more.

I understand where you are coming from but think it a little harsh. I think we all agree Reid is a talented player and despite injury concerns in 2010 -13 he did manage a fairly full number of games and helped us win a premiership. He is important structurally to our team and would have easily drawn attention from opposition clubs if we hadn't signed him. Maybe offering him a 4 yr extension when he had a year to run on his contract was over the top, maybe it was what it took to keep him on our list. Maybe we had to offer 4 yrs to give extra security to Reid in lieu of bigger money he could get elsewhere. Lots of elements we can only speculate about but I'm pretty sure the club would have been crucified (at the time at least) if they'd let him go.
Is also far from our last player who I'd offer 3 or more years to - lots of untested guys or players with far less talent.
I agree with your comment about Cloke, Pendles, Sidebottom.

 

[Hardas]

Head in a sand supporters are fine.

Yes, yes...things are wonderful or things are crap - there's definitely not room for anything in between, is there.

 

[Masicar666]

He's actually made of soft tissue.

1 ply soft tissue at that

 

[MarkT2]

Had trade value HAD.
Would've traded Brown and Ried for J. Cameron. Missed the boat Collingwood.

Boat was never in the harbour.

 

[mike123]

He has no trade value. He could go to Carlton and replace the injured Waite. At least they were smart enough to get rid of him.

He'll have more trade value than Mitch Clark.

 

[MarkT2]

Well Bucks said we would up the loads again and some would break.

Great approach, better deliver a flag soon or piss him off.

He only just started training. This isn't a load injury - at least not this occurrence.

 

[harry1990]

Can someone start a December / 2015 injury thread, its not looking good again!!!

Reid - 6 weeks
Mcaffeer - mid season
Scharenberg - Mid season
Abbott - ??
Pendles - full training in Jan
Swan - full training ?
Thomas - full training ?

Think this is what I have heard on this site

 

[MarkT2]

The thing that worries me is that we have no scope for injuries in our 22. We don't have a good enough best 22 to get near the top 4 as it is but a few injuries to our better players and instead of being in finals contention for half the year we'll be fighting off the bottom of the ladder clubs from he outset. Take out Reid and we have no tall forward options outside and our already suspect backline is back to where it was last year. Reid will not be the only injury even if we do have a good year with injuries - which can't be based on anything more than blind hope.

 

[Scodog10]

I understand where you are coming from but think it a little harsh. I think we all agree Reid is a talented player and despite injury concerns in 2010 -13 he did manage a fairly full number of games and helped us win a premiership. He is important structurally to our team and would have easily drawn attention from opposition clubs if we hadn't signed him. Maybe offering him a 4 yr extension when he had a year to run on his contract was over the top, maybe it was what it took to keep him on our list. Maybe we had to offer 4 yrs to give extra security to Reid in lieu of bigger money he could get elsewhere. Lots of elements we can only speculate about but I'm pretty sure the club would have been crucified (at the time at least) if they'd let him go.
Is also far from our last player who I'd offer 3 or more years to - lots of untested guys or players with far less talent.
I agree with your comment about Cloke, Pendles, Sidebottom.

I'd acknowledge that morons is harsh in isolation, but the isolated instances of questionable contracts is ever increasing. Young, Varcoe & White on 3 year deals, Reid on his deal and Armstrong given 2 years are all examples from the past couple of years alone. Hell we even gave Greenwood 4 years off the back of 20 good games we're ****ed if he regresses with the sort of deal we gave him!

As a rule clubs in 2014 may need to offer overs to attract and retain players, but it's all about identifying who the right player to give those overs to is and the quality of that list is meh aside from Reid who has serious injury concerns.

 

[mike123]

I understand where you are coming from but think it a little harsh. I think we all agree Reid is a talented player and despite injury concerns in 2010 -13 he did manage a fairly full number of games and helped us win a premiership.

He also cost us the 2011 grand final because of injury...

 

[Hardas]

The thing that worries me is that we have no scope for injuries in our 22. We don't have a good enough best 22 to get near the top 4 as it is but a few injuries to our better players and instead of being in finals contention for half the year we'll be fighting off the bottom of the ladder clubs from he outset. Take out Reid and we have no tall forward options outside and our already suspect backline is back to where it was last year. Reid will not be the only injury even if we do have a good year with injuries - which can't be based on anything more than blind hope.

Yep, as you say, we are a totally different proposition as a side with Reid there...Brown helps the back half, but the forward line is a real worry.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Thank you for taking a one line grab of my post out of context!

He had injuries in 07, 08, 09, 14 & will miss a large chunk of pre-season for 2015. Therefore he has spent most of his career injured in comparison with that stretch.

To further reiterate (considering you skipped over the most important element of my post) he has scar tissue on every muscle in his legs bar his right quad and in the years he was relatively untroubled (10-13) he broke a leg, strained two quads, strained his groin in two separate finals series and dislocated his shoulder while on ******* holidays!! The man is unfortunately made of glass.

My issue isn't with him I wish him all the best in his recovery because he is essential for our chances of success! My gripe is with the morons that signed him up long term when he is the last player on our list that should have been offered 3 years or more.

He got injrued in 2010 and 2011 also. Technically.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Boat was never in the harbour.

I'm sorry but TG has stated this as fact.

OA says "I have an 11 inch ****. "
OA looks down....
"Damn, still the same, it doesn't work for me!"

TG's constantly washing his hands as he's always pulling shit out of his arse.

 

[domus]

Time to move on from Reid, we are carrying too many injury prone players. Cut your losses pies. Goldsack is his replacement. He is a similar size but bigger, plays very well as key back or forward, tough as nails, tackles like a lion on a rampage, and makes good decisions. I don't see why we go on about Reidy when Goldy can surpass him in both areas (if left in place) and rarely injures himself. Fn champion.

Goldsack bigger than Reid???

 

[jmac70]

Thank you for taking a one line grab of my post out of context!

He had injuries in 07, 08, 09, 14 & will miss a large chunk of pre-season for 2015. Therefore he has spent most of his career injured in comparison with that stretch.

To further reiterate (considering you skipped over the most important element of my post) he has scar tissue on every muscle in his legs bar his right quad and in the years he was relatively untroubled (10-13) he broke a leg, strained two quads, strained his groin in two separate finals series and dislocated his shoulder while on ******* holidays!! The man is unfortunately made of glass.

My issue isn't with him I wish him all the best in his recovery because he is essential for our chances of success! My gripe is with the morons that signed him up long term when he is the last player on our list that should have been offered 3 years or more.

If we had not offered him a long term deal he may have left. Given that he is "essential for our chances" it would seem we had little choice.

 

[jmac70]

Head in a sand supporters are fine.

What about head up arse supporters?

 

[jmac70]

I'd acknowledge that morons is harsh in isolation, but the isolated instances of questionable contracts is ever increasing. Young, Varcoe & White on 3 year deals, Reid on his deal and Armstrong given 2 years are all examples from the past couple of years alone. Hell we even gave Greenwood 4 years off the back of 20 good games we're stuffed if he regresses with the sort of deal we gave him!

As a rule clubs in 2014 may need to offer overs to attract and retain players, but it's all about identifying who the right player to give those overs to is and the quality of that list is meh aside from Reid who has serious injury concerns.

There are too many teams with not enough players to go around. Decent players hold all the cards now when it comes to contracts because they can walk out whenever they feel like it. Contract or not. This also results in players such as Greenwood having their worth inflated.

Whilst we have some decent kids we also need to retain some experienced players. The ony way to do that is to pay overs. In an ideal competition there would only be 12 teams. We would get a higher standard of footy and there would be less spuds in each team.

 

[cleomenes]

He also cost us the 2011 grand final because of injury...

This is a half truth. The Jolly injury also counted, and in both cases, it was a coaching decision to take the risk with these two. It was a case of judging that we would not win without them, given that there was no faith in Wood, and Brown was out injured. Perhaps we might have got there with two fit players of lower ability, but it was not Reid( or Jolley for that matter) that made the decision, it was the coaching staff of teh time.

 

[Lefthanded]

I'd acknowledge that morons is harsh in isolation, but the isolated instances of questionable contracts is ever increasing. Young, Varcoe & White on 3 year deals, Reid on his deal and Armstrong given 2 years are all examples from the past couple of years alone. Hell we even gave Greenwood 4 years off the back of 20 good games we're stuffed if he regresses with the sort of deal we gave him!

As a rule clubs in 2014 may need to offer overs to attract and retain players, but it's all about identifying who the right player to give those overs to is and the quality of that list is meh aside from Reid who has serious injury concerns.

I appreciate you expanding on your thoughts. Reid the only one of the players you've mentioned who I imagine is on big dollars. Greenwood probably next. I'm therefore not overly worried by the contract lengths of any of those others and only worried by Reid's because of his injuries. We need experience to help our youth develop - all of those guys help with that. Armstrong I'm not a fan of but when he's only taking a rookie spot I won't lose sleep. Are there guys you would have targeted instead? Even if yes, we don't know what it would have cost (trade, contract length, $). All I'm saying is it's hard to be too critical without all the facts, which we will never have.

I suspect we will both be much happier in a few years when a stronger list should allow us to be more of a destination club and have fewer holes to fill.

 

[MyManLynch]

Minor set back. As long as he is good to go in April then no worries.
AFL teams will always have some injuries...if it's half a dozen players, then that is probably ok.
We have to remain calm & stop jumping at shadows.

 

[ThePhantom777]

This is a half truth. The Jolly injury also counted, and in both cases, it was a coaching decision to take the risk with these two. It was a case of judging that we would not win without them, given that there was no faith in Wood, and Brown was out injured. Perhaps we might have got there with two fit players of lower ability, but it was not Reid( or Jolley for that matter) that made the decision, it was the coaching staff of teh time.

Mick Malthouse got outcoached in the 2011 GF. Pods went down with a shoulder and we should have double teamed Hawkins. He left a one legged Reid on Hawkins for too long and the momentum shifted the Cats way.

 

[THATSGOLD]

What about head up arse supporters?

You spit the dummy. Nahh never seen that.

 

[jmac70]

You spit the dummy. Nahh never seen that.

Who me? Never.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Can someone start a December / 2015 injury thread, its not looking good again!!!

Reid - 6 weeks
Mcaffeer - mid season
Scharenberg - Mid season
Abbott - ??
Pendles - full training in Jan
Swan - full training ?
Thomas - full training ?

Think this is what I have heard on this site

Wait until the games start...

 

[THATSGOLD]

Yes, yes...things are wonderful or things are crap - there's definitely not room for anything in between, is there.

Right now going in to 2015 things aren't great. Buckley needs a big year to keep his job. Right now as it stands hes pushing the proverbial.